Tim Tebow, 25-year-old quarterback to the New York Jets, is not regularly on my radar. I’m not a huge sports person besides soccer (blame the Peruvian in me) and looking at the outfits during the Winter Olympics’ figure skating routines. However, Tebow recently made comments in Vogue regarding his taste in women, including one quality in particular that I don’t understand.
Tebow said: “Obviously looks play a big part. Being attracted to someone plays a big part, but there’s also so much more than that for me. It’s about finding someone sweet and kind — and that has a servant’s heart.”
“A servant’s heart” sounds like he wants somebody there who’s devoted entirely on taking care of him and that sounds rather bizarre unless he means it in some BDSM way (in which case it’s still a little bizarre, but not quite as sexist sounding). Unfortunately, saying “looks play a big part” and following that up with servitude sends the message — intentional or not — that he’s looking for a super hot woman to do whatever he wants. Intelligence isn’t mentioned, nor is talent, poise, humor, ambition, being a good conversationalist or anything else that regularly associated with being a strong female. Of course sweetness and kindness are wonderful qualities and are by no means not important; I just find it somewhat depressing that it sounds like he wants a really attractive servant as a partner. It also doesn’t mention anything about serving the female himself, so it all sounds quite one-sided.
I’m sure there are plenty of Tebow fans out there, so defend away! This is just my own personal irk regarding Timmy’s comments (particularly considering it was to a women’s magazine). We often hold celebrities’ actions (such as Rihanna) as examples for their fans, so this may influence his in some way, including many female fans who will read his comments and may allow those words to influence them into being more “serving” at heart because they believe a man will like them better if they’re serving him. Or perhaps young male fans who will read it and think that if their role model prefers women to serve him, they should, too. We have to keep in mind that celebrities often do influence people, especially young ones, and their opinions. Either way, I’m not a fan. Sorry Teebs!
Lovelies, what do you think about Tim Tebow’s words in Vogue?
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A servant’s heart is probably referring to his religious background, not as much a woman literally serving him. I mean who knows, but they did talk about that in church when i used to go.
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He meant this in a religious way. Not literally serving him and only him. -_-
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Tim Tebow is an outspoken Christard. What else do you expect? Christardianity is all about placing men above women and women being treated as inferiors. Seriously, read the damn Bible and how it speaks of how women are to SUBMIT to their husbands and how women are not to hold positions of authority over men. Further, a woman is unclean for a much longer period of time after giving birth to a female child than a male child. How fucked up is that?
I don’t know how women can worship such a misogynistic deity or follow such a misogynistic religion, but there are a bunch of things in this world I don’t understand.
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I think it’s more ignorant to be focused mainly on looks, but that’s just me.
dahlia / 2382 posts
I’m a person with no knowledge of this guy, aside from the bowing thing, but I think he means someone with the same faith & devotion. Trust me, if this guy meant someone who would service him, he’d be a singleton for life because no woman in her right mind would go for that.
I’m a Christian & I believe marriage is a partnership & no one is above the other. Times change, people change & views change. Women arent domestic servant anymore, in fact we make up a majority of the work force by choice.
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When he says “servant heart”, he means a heart that is ready and willing to serve God, not him. I’m not a perfect person, but I do consider myself to be a devout Catholic Christian and I think it’s beautiful that he’s seeking a women who loves God, just the same or even more than he does. That’s admirable to me. He’s probably seeking a woman with a servant’s heart because he himself longs for his heart to also be fully willing to serve God. So in no way is this wrong to me, I think this is wonderful and I hope that one day Tim will find her.
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That is exactly what he wants… a woman who WOULD serve him and be devoted entirely on taking care of him, not necessarily one who WILL.
Is it so bizarre to think that maybe he wants a woman with the heart of a servant because he has one as well? Is it so bizarre to think that maybe… just maybe, he wants that special woman to feel like she is being served for once?
What good is having a servant’s heart as a man if he were to be with a woman who has the heart of a spoiled princess or the heart of a soldier? A “strong” woman could never appreciate what he likely wants to GIVE, and there is no doubt in my mind he wasn’t basing what he said on what he seeks to HAVE.
“…anything else that regularly associated with being a strong female.“
“Strong” and “female” are mutually exclusive qualities. Females that are “strong” are that way with the aid of adaptation, not evolution, and the result is that their evolutionary traits are being overridden and ultimately this means that a female who wants to appear/be strong will ALWAYS lack a natural-born quality that a male would naturally/instinctively find himself attracted to.
That is to say, show me a strong woman and I will point out to you the qualities bestowed upon her by nature that she sacrificed along the way in exchange for very heavy emotional armor that takes it’s toll on what was originally her sweet/kind/innocent personality.
It’s a shame what men did to women. We basically told them to “grow up” and in doing so we placed unfair and incompatible male requirements on them. They were perfect the way they were, and now it’s almost impossible to find a woman who feels and behaves as though she is perfect just the way she is and doesn’t try to be “strong” or anything she isn’t and shouldn’t have to be.
@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - Basing one’s preferences on looks is innocent in comparison to basing one’s preferences on what one stands to gain or lose as a result of being loyal to another person. Loyalty is meaningless if it isn’t given unconditionally… that’s the whole point of loyalty… so that if hard times hit or something seemingly more personally advantageous (“better”) comes along neither person has anything to worry about. It is ignorant to be focused on looks, sure, but ignorance of what one stands to gain is innocence.
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I’ll agree with the others–he means serving god, probably. Bleh.
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You said you’re not familiar with Tim Tebow, so probably you don’t know that he’s very outspoken about his Christianity. A servant’s heart is probably a reference to his desire for a woman who is also a Christian, and dedicated to serving God.
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LOL at the writer’s ignorance of Tebow’s background. If you decide to diss something, do some research first.
peony / 3 posts
In addition to it meaning serving God, I think he also means serving humanity. Being a giving, selfless person instead of only serving the ego and self.
peony / 3 posts
In addition to it meaning serving God, I think he also means serving humanity. Being a giving, selfless person and devoting her time to helping others instead of only serving the ego and self.
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There’s a difference between a humble heart and a servant’s heart.. Maybe he just wants to buy a lady who’ll do whatever he wants
peony / 3 posts
No, serving humanity is having a servant’s heart.
magnolia / 1027 posts
Womp womp on you part, Sam =\ lol jk
Tebow was born in a a very religious family. He was even born in the Philippines when his parents were doing missionary work. Anywhooo, I’m sure he meant it in a religious way and not the literal way you may be thinking. He even likes to sing (and not that well, lol) Christian songs while he’s on the field. Case in point: this video = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajUSLxt7aK0
Pretty amusing and quite cute, haha!
sunflower / 300 posts
@TequilaKisses@xanga - First of all, I apologize if you think I didn’t do any research; I did. Of course I know he’s a devout Christian.
Secondly, I didn’t want to assume one’s religious background had anything to do with his statements because the article (A) didn’t say it did and (B) inferring that sort of thing is a dangerous road to go down when you want to be factual and straight-forward with the actual stated words.
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I say he should go for it.
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@T3hZ10n@xanga - OH HAY
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I take celebrities, especially sports stars, less seriously than I do everyday people, and that says something, considering most people are stupid. The fact that he can form coherent sentences is impressive to me. That he said something so narrowly insidious tells me he probably isn’t quite as smart as others thinks he is.
On a less cynical note, I have a feeling the servile quality alludes to being religiously virtuous (i.e. God’s servant) than a personal one. But that’s assuming he was being coherent.
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@T3hZ10n@xanga - You know you can be strong AND caring right? If not then every one who is “strong” is a dick.
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@immoral_sensei@xanga - Of course I was busy going all OCD on editing, wording, and rewording the above comment. If I had hit the refresh button I would’ve seen your comment and could’ve simply typed “yes” and that would have sufficed for a good chunk of time.
Lol.
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@DrummingMediocrity@xanga - Everyone seems to overlook the fact that a man cannot see a female as a “strong woman” unless he compares her either to himself or to someone else. Men judging women (and vice versa) is comparing apples to oranges.
At the core of this topic, regardless of the perceived implications of his statement, the OP doesn’t seem to acknowledge that the very idea of a “strong woman” is itself based on a popular (and equally ignorant) assumption that men automatically see women as “weak” for being sweet and kind.
It is equally narrowly insidious to assume that his taste in women also serves as his personal definition of what women “should be like” (though that isn’t for him to judge anyway, I certainly don’t think his personal tastes are for woman to judge either) and that he doesn’t acknowledge his preferences as being reflective only of qualities that he personally finds desirable in a SO.
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@ilovejesse4lyf@xanga - spot on… except i’m not Catholic so I edited your words—
When he says “servant heart”, I believe he means a heart that is ready and willing to serve God, not him. I think it’s beautiful that he’s seeking a women who loves God, just the same or even more than he does. That’s admirable to me. He’s probably seeking a woman with a servant’s heart because he himself longs for his heart to also be FULLY WILLING to SERVE GOD. So in no way is this wrong to me, I think this is wonderful and I hope that one day Tim will find her.
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“Intelligence isn’t mentioned, nor is talent, poise, humor, ambition, being a good conversationalist oranything else that regularly associated with being a strong female.” none of these are strength, any of these attributes can be held by a weak person and often when they are they are used to lash out and try to subdue and denigrate others others. having a servants heart however, the ability to put others before yourself and work for other peoples best interest is a sign of strength, a source of enduring beauty and very attractive; it’s also exceedingly rare, who can you find these days who possesses that? of course that person would be someone to love and hold onto.
the fact that you automatically assume he is looking for someone to act as his servant or sex slave(and that you find the latter less offensive than the first) says more about your outlook than about him. even within the context of your article it was plain to not only myself but most others what he actually meant, and look at the ones who didn’t. you aren’t exactly in good company with the likes of lynn.
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Knowing he proclaims to be a devoted Christian, a “servant’s heart” is a pretty basic Christian term for serving God, serving people, and serving the world. The pastor at my church preaches on this all the time. It has absolutely nothing to do with slavery and the other sexual things you are inferring. It’s about putting others first and being devoted to loving God and loving your neighbors as yourself. It makes sense that a Christian would want to seek out another Christian who holds dear the same beliefs.
sunflower / 264 posts
This is a common thing talked about in Christian churches, applying to both men and women in regards to their heart toward God and others in general. I’ve *myself* said that I want to have a “servant’s heart” and that I would like a husband with a “servant’s heart”. It doesn’t mean slavery.
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I’m going to guess a servant’s heart means somebody who’s not gonna boss him around.
orchid / 103 posts
You have his comment all wrong. It doesn’t mean servant to man. He means a servant to God. As a Christ follower myself I completely understand where he’s coming from. Christian’s should be willing to serve God’s purpose, and do all that He (God) asks of you. It doesn’t mean becoming a servant of the world. It’s a very desirable quality that all Christians should look for in each other. I’m not a Tebow fan but he is a man of God who hasn’t said anything wrong. I’m actually a little offended you didn’t do your research as a writer, and jumped to conclusions about his statement. He didn’t mean he wanted a woman to serve him, he wanted a woman to serve HIM (again by capitalized Him I mean God). Please just do a Google search of the meaning behind somebody’s comments before you jump to conclusions and go on a tirade about their moral character.
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@WaitingToShrug@xanga - BINGO!!! Others said the same but you were to the point. What you said is exactly what I was going to say about the “Servant” part.
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Actually you did him & yourself disservice by writing an opinion piece on him when you did NO research on this COMMON Servants heart phrase. It came across as you wanting to call the man a prick & you made it happen by ignoring what it mostly likely meant.
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I’m curious… in all sincerity, is this one of those “faux controversial” posts that get posted just to drive traffic to Lovelyish?
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I think other people have said it pretty well. It’s not about a woman serving him. One must keep in mind that he is a devoted Christian. He grew up as a missionary kid in the Philippines. What better example of a servant’s heart is there than a missionary. Someone who willingly, and gladly puts others needs before their own. Having been on many mission trips myself, and being a follower of Christ, there is no even question in my mind of what is meant by a servant’s heart.
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@secretbeerreporter@xanga - Yes, the Bible does say wives submit to your husbands, but do you know what the rest of that Scripture says? Too many people stop at just that, but it also commands husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Do you realize the weight of that? Christ loved the church to the point of dying for them. How many people would you willingly die for? A husband should have such a love for his wife that he would die for her.
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@theflutegangsta@xanga - And that is why if you believe in Christardianity, you are indeed an idiot. No educated person could possibly believe that garbage you just spewed forth. (Well anyone who believes in ANY god/gods is an idiot, but that’s beside the point). There is absolutely no scientific proof of any of the claims you just made. Of course, it’s also impossible for a husband to love his wife, because love doesn’t exist either (and just like people who believe in god/gods are delusional idiots, so are people who believe in love).
Religion is a mental illness, and the sooner we start treating religious people like the mentally sick people they are (by throwing them in mental institutions and medicating them for their delusions), the better.
The sooner atheism becomes the supreme law of the land, and the sooner we become a purely atheistic society, the better.
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Earlier in the linked article, he says, “I mean—it could be politics one day. I want to have a life that can help people.” Definitely sounds like a self absorbed dominating type, huh? Especially after the first paragraph describes him as such a “fun” person to be around. I guess everyone loves a narcissist.
Plus everything @iones_island@xanga said.
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Hey OP, were you born ignorant, or did it happen right before you read this quote and wrote this post?
Context matters. If you know nothing of his background, and religioius beliefs, then your pathetic attempt to spin his words means nothing. Even without knowing anything about his religion, his comment regarding having a servant’s heart clearly had nothing to do with what he’d desire from a s.o. as far as the relationship itself was concerned, or what he could get from it. Anyone with more than three brain cells can figure that out, so… what’s that say for you?
Next time you want to write garbage, merely for the sake of hits, submit it to Datingish or Lovelyish, where crap like that passes for intelligent thought.
…oh, wait.
sunflower / 264 posts
@theflutegangsta@xanga - You are spot on. Thank you for commenting.
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Tim Timbow is a born-again Christian and his comments are relative to his faith. This is not an assumption. You would have to have a born-again experience in the Christian faith to begin with to have any clue what he was referring to, but of course Chistianity is bashed everyday by those who choose not to respect it.
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Since he’s known for being very religious, he’s probably referring to a woman who serves God, not him. That’s just some of the terminology in Christianity – having a servant’s heart.
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it’s a religious thing. AND it’s also why i wouldn’t date him— Christianity is a deal-breaker.
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - i’m sure he’ll be heartbroken when he gets the news
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It’s a Christian thing and it is complimentary.
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@secretbeerreporter@xanga - You really need to read Lineage of Grace – about powerful women in the bible
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@mommalosingit@xanga - I don’t need to read anything about Christian apologetics. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover, and that’s precisely why I don’t believe in that book of fairy tales and bullshit! No matter how you turn it, the Bible touts men as superior to women.
Then again, only a mental midget could believe in god/gods (in the general sense, not just the Judeo-Christian god), so why should I take apologists seriously?
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@iones_island@xanga - ah, douchebaggery… my favorite Christian trait.
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - pot, meet kettle.
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@iones_island@xanga - problem is, i’m not Christian. i don’t identify with a group that claims to have a monopoly on morality and correct behavior. your standards are far higher than mine. when i’m a bitch, i’m representing myself. when YOU’RE a douchebag, you’re representing your “savior”.