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plus size modeling pisses me off. that woman is definitely not plus sized in the normal world, only when compared to emaciated models.

They don’t look big at all. Idk how they pull off a flat stummy, photoshop? Maybe they just have thick thighs? Hmm.

@voodoo_flower_child@xanga - I agree but it’s a welcomed change to see a model with a fuller figure! Real supermodels back in the day didnt look like starved figures with bones protuding like we see now but it’s nice that bones with meat on them is coming back!

@Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - Yes I definitely agree. There should be more normal sized models out there and hopefully there will be. Like you said, back in the day they weren’t skin and bones, but they also weren’t called plus sized. I think that is what annoys me most, them calling a perfectly healthy and proportionate woman plus sized

Alright well the thing about models is having them be a smaller size and having them all be the same size makes it easier to fit models because if they’re all the same size less adjustments have to be made and also sometimes models just don’t show up for whatever reason and if you’re using a fuller figure model, it’s likely that no one else could fit into or be fit into her look twenty minutes before the show. If there’s a standard size for models, the clothes can go from the runway and into editorials seamlessly because THEY ALL FIT THE CLOTHING. Also using slimmer figures means less money is spent on largely expensive fabrics, making garments is not a cheap or easy thing to do. There’s logic behind the use of smaller size women vs. a more normal body shape. I’m not saying that normal women should stay away from modeling or that all fashion houses use smaller models for the reasons I listed and just think they look better which is a dick move.
But it makes sense why smaller women are used.

Whether these women are considered plus or not, they’re effing gorgeous!

@colorMEpurple2@xanga - I agree, it does make sense. 

Also, fuck this “normal” woman shit. Some people are perfectly ordinary and they are thin/small/skinny. Personally, I am short and small. I don’t care if they’ll never have a model who’s 4’11″ and 92 pounds walking down the runway. Why? Because the model’s job is to act as a mannequin. They are walking, moving mannequins. I am more interested in the clothes. :/

i like her with the red lipstick

I  this, thanks for sharing!

While these ladies aren’t anywhere near obese, these beautiful women are clearly plus size because of their height, large hips and big bust.

I think it is lovely to have a variety of models since we live in a very diverse world.

This is more average size than plus size

beyoootiful. women come in different shapes and sizes. there are some women who are just thick bone. and in most of the pictures she looks average, average skinny. i like it. 

If she’s plus-sized, I’m Kate Moss.

I buy the argument that it’s easier to just have models about the same size, since runway models are essentially human hangers. The argument that it saves money because it takes a yard less fabric is ludicrous.

They create an outfit that sells for 1700 bucks and they can’t put another 100 bucks into it to fit a size 8 model? I’m not buying it. We are not talking about people on Project Runway, we are talking design houses with money.

Since “plus size” clothes are clothes 18 and over, then plus sized models should be size 18 or over. I mean why the inconsistency? Again, the model is a human hanger and they are selling the illusion that if you buy this outfit, you too will look size 12.

It’s all good as long as people remember it’s an illusion. Not a bad one, but very few of us will walk out of the house looking like a Vogue cover, just like very few of us will have a Thanksgiving turkey that looks like the one on the cover of Southern Living. But it’s fun and inspiring, and gives us lots to chat about on Lovelyish.

I don’t love any of the photos above, but it has nothing to do with the model’s size. I just think the outfits are lame

She really doesn’t look like a plus-size in the “real world”, especially the 1st and the 3rd photos. This modeling world… there are no words. 

They are plus-size compared to the modelling world. I really like Robyn Lawley, I think I saw her on Good Morning America and she seems nice. I love her face. I think thats what sells her…her face. 

She’s a babe. I like the picture with the red wig!

LMFAO thats about as plus size as ol’ yeller is alive.

I think the pictures are effing disgusting, I want thin, slender, beautiful models. Not effing fat size 12 women. I hold the same opinion for male models as well. 

@ccccourage@xanga - As a fashion student and for designers who are just starting up, it does save money in yardage to use smaller models. Also most fashion houses who only do couture are faced with a lot of debt because the elaborate couture pieces are not often bought and are mostly made strictly for artistic purposes.  The markups for designer clothes are for valid reasons, like the cost of materials used (which does cost A LOT of money because they aren’t using cheap fabric) but also the labor it costs to produce it and how much it cost to actually design and make a pattern for each piece, if any company in any market just sold their product for the price of the materials and labor and no markup they would make absolutely no profit. You’re paying for the name, yes, but you’re also paying for quality when you buy real designer items.

@colorMEpurple2@xanga -Thanks for sharing that. It really helps when people in the know bring their expertise and experience to these discussions.

I agree with everyone saying these models are beautiful, but definitely not plus-sized. Just because they have a bigger chest than a 12 year old or some curves around the hips, that just makes them normal. Plus sized is supposed to be women who are at an above average weight. These women are gorgeous, but not plus sized in my opinion. They have flat stomachs, jaw lines, etc. Especially the main picture, the last two links, and the 3rd link of the girl in the purple shirt and green shorts. I wouldn’t have even known they were “plus-sized” unless someone told me. They don’t look like it at all…  The fashion industry acts like they’re giving us a variety, “oh look how open-minded we are, we accept ‘plus-sized’ women!”. It’s either normal women looking like this or emaciated women. That’s not variety… Plus-sized in the modeling world is completely different that plus-sized in the real world. It’s sad.

However, this is a step in the right direction for sure, I’m glad efforts are at least being made. 

@fadeing_hallucinations@xanga - what you said is what is wrong with the world. that’s the type of thing little girls hear and start pinching their “fat” in the mirror, and end up dead 10 years later. get off the computer and go see a psychiatrist. you obviously have food issues of some kind so your sick opinion has no place in normal conversation about healthy body image. any doctor will tell you that these women aren’t “effing fat”. 

It would really be nice if these models modelled for ‘my’ clothes as I want to get an impression of what stuff looks like on me. And actually plus-sized people would certainly appreciate the same.

Annndddd she’ll still be photoshopped. Go figure.

@swayXX@xanga -  why is it just the type of things girls hear. Men hear it all the time as well, it might be a little boy standing in front of the mirror pinching a roll of fat, and ending up dead 10 years latter. One just has to look at the average weight of women and men, and it has been been increasing steadily over the past 50 years. Yes I might have issues, but from an aesthetic point of view I still prefer size 0 or size 2 models.

@colorMEpurple2@xanga - If saving money were so true, then all these models would be only 5′ tall not nearly 6′ tall.  Now, that would also save money on fabric.  So obviously, it’s not simply about saving money on fabric.  

@voodoo_flower_child@xanga - My immediate thought was, “Honey, that’s not plus-sized.”

apparently i’m plus sized because i’m the same size as half those women…

coooooool.

@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - I never said it was strictly to save money. Models are essentially supposed to be like the dress forms you make a garment with. Models are tall and skinny and all the same size because it’s easier that way. You can switch models looks easier and less adjustments need to be made if they are stick straight and fit into the sample size. No two women have the same curves and fitting women who actually have a shape is difficult. It saves time and if a garment is fit to one specific woman who actually has curves and a shape, essentially no one else would be able to wear that garment if she did not show up to the show she was supposed to walk at. You’re clearly not in fashion lol.

@colorMEpurple2@xanga - lol clearly I’m not in fashion.  Clearly I’ve sewn before and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to make a couple of outfits or just to use bigger models to begin with.  Hell, I’ve watched people get sewn into outfits.  

@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - Good luck when you use a plus size model and she isn’t there twenty minutes before your show and there’s no one else you could possibly fit her two looks to!

@colorMEpurple2@xanga - I’m sure there are backups and whatnots.  You make it sound as if a size 14 couldn’t fit into another size 14′s clothes.  That’s silly. 

@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - If you would use plus size models and deal with serious alterations if one didn’t show for your runway show then great for you. My aim was not to turn this catty and I apologize that it did, I guess what makes complete sense to me doesn’t to others and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. With the stress that already comes to with a show I’d rather just use models all of the same small body shape to make it easier for myself as a designer.

@colorMEpurple2@xanga - That’s fine to use models of the same body shape, I just don’t agree that that size has to be a 0.  It could be a 10, or an 8, or a 16.  Heck, even a 4 or 24.  Always a size 0, doesn’t make sense.  For just shows, okay… but as with companies selling mass lines at department stores, I think they should start using women of all sizes.  

@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - I agree that for stores that have mass production that they should start using people of all sizes because those who shop at department stores are of all sizes! I think stores like JCP and Kohl’s should start using women of every size and shape, and now that Ralph Lauren is using this fuller figure model I think it makes their brand more accessible and will probably make women feel more comfortable shopping there.

jeez, if that’s considered plus-size… i’m a whale.  

She’s gorgeous! Not ‘plus sized’ but lovely looking nonetheless.