As most of you know by now, airlines can give numerous reasons for not allowing someone to fly. Trying to board the plane with something that’s not approved by security, acting strangely, a carry-on bag that’s not regulation size… that sounds about right. But a violation of dress code? Are we all in high school again?
A woman flying from Las Vegas on Southwest this spring says she was confronted by an airline employee for showing too much cleavage. In another recent case, an American Airlines pilot lectured a passenger because her t-shirt bore a four-letter expletive, but she was allowed to keep flying after draping a shawl over the shirt. Because airlines don’t have a dress code posted publicly, it leaves many people guessing how far is too far.
Last week, Arijit Guha, a graduate student at Arizona State University, was barred from a Delta flight in Buffalo, New York, because of a t-shirt that mocked federal security agents and included the words, “Terrists gonna kill us all.” He says the misspelled shirt was satirical and he wore it to protest what he considers racial profiling.
So if you’re wondering if the fashion police are going to be right next to the security guards, rummaging through your bags and judging your outfit, that probably won’t be the case. And what if someone confronts you about your outfit and tells you to change clothes or else… is that a violation of your rights?
According to this article by the Huffington Post, the airlines enforcing a dress code isn’t a violation of anyone’s rights. American and Delta are perfectly within their rights to make the passengers change shirts, even if messages are political, says Joe Larsen, a First Amendment lawyer from Houston who has defended many media companies. The First Amendment prohibits government from limiting a person’s free-speech rights, but it doesn’t apply to rules set by private companies, Larsen says. He notes that government security screeners didn’t challenge Guha; private Delta employees did. In short, since airlines and their planes are private property and not a public space like the courthouse steps, crews can tell you what to wear.
Reading this article reminded me of a situation while I was waiting tables… a man came in to eat wearing a very offensive shirt that was obviously pro-life. Due to the graphic imagery on the shirt, my manager walked by and told him that he would have to leave unless he changed his shirt. Of course, the man became very upset and started yelling about how his rights were being violated, but my manager told him the same thing: we’re a private business, and we can refuse service to anyone. I can’t imagine that for one second, the guy thought that he would be getting away with wearing a shirt like that at a place where people are eating. Of course, my manager asking him to change shirts wasn’t a political issue, if the shirt had simply said something about his opinions, it would have been fine. The fact that his shirt displayed some offensive imagery was another story… which is probably why the woman wearing the pro-choice shirt with an expletive was told to cover it up.
Personally, I understand the airlines’ position and (unless they ban my favorite airport sweatpants and sunglasses), I see no problem with a dress code being enforced. I would imagine that unless you’re planning on wearing your favorite “F#CK EVERYONE” shirt or letting your boobs hang out of your dress, you probably won’t have anything to worry about. The whole situation seems that they’re really just trying to keep other passengers from complaining. After all, these people have a job to do… and at the airport, people complain about pretty much everything already. I don’t really think that they want one more thing (my wardrobe) to worry about. Of course, I would imagine that the enforcement will probably be pretty inconsistent, as someone probably won’t always be around to make sure each airplane departs the terminal cleavage-free. I only wish that Wal-Mart would enforce a dress code… goodness, the things I see at Wal-Mart. But that’s a whole other story.
What do you think, Lovelies?
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Ya know I agree on the tee-shirts because children are flying… I also agree in an eatery that people should know better than to dress in a questionable shirt like that…Some times I wonder if people even think about others around them when they do things like that
sunflower / 297 posts
As the daughter of an airline pilot, I always had to dress up to fly. Because we were “representing” the company when we were flying (usually stand-by), and we could easily end up in business class, we always had to look nice. My brother was denied a flight with me to vancouver once because he was wearing jeans and running shoes.
I think this rule is no longer valid for us, family of airline employees flying stand-by, but I still would never dress like a bum.
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@Katherine_the_third@xanga - Just so you know, it’s not just your dad’s/mother’s (don’t know which and I don’t automatically want to assume it’s your dad as many would) airline that’s like that. I’m a former airline pilot and same thing when I worked airline (I no longer do, hated it). If I was flying just as a passenger (free flights, I kind of miss those) I had to dress up a bit, or if I was jumpseating I had to wear my flight uniform.
Now, I usually never had to look at any of that being cooped up in the cockpit, but I can understand a loose dress code. I’d propose a dress code of cover your privates and no shirt, no shoes, no service and call it that. Sorry, but people don’t have the right to not be offended and don’t have the right to be protected from what they deem “eyesores.” Period.
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I think it’s appropriate to practice discretion when dressing for being in an area like an airport, I understand that the one man was protesting racial profiling (which does unfortunately happen at airports a lot) but I have been to the Buffalo airport and many others and there are signs that tell you not to mention anything like terrorists or bombs because no matter if you say it as a joke or in a satirical way, the security guards will take it seriously and have every right to do what they see fit. These workers are just doing what they’re told to do and usually there are lots of children in airports and on airplanes. Just think about what’s appropriate to wear in any situation when you’re around a lot of different types of people that you don’t know.
hydrangea / 83 posts
I agree with their right to enforce a dress code. It saddens me that it is necessary for them to, though. I wish people would just respect themselves and others enough to wear appropriate clothing. I think clothes should be a way of expressing yourself, but I don’t think that expression should go so far that it offends others. There is a time and place to assert your feelings on abortion, but I think that if you are going to parade your beliefs around in front of the world by wearing it on a t-shirt then you have to equally respect their right to receive it poorly or ask you to remove yourself from their presence. It’s a two-way street.
daffodil / 1615 posts
@wonderchica22@xanga - Could not have said it better myself.
orchid / 105 posts
@secretbeerreporter@xanga - From what I’ve read about this situation, it seems like the dress code is meant to discourage excessive cleavage, offensive language, and shirts that could possibly scare other passengers. I’ve never worked in an airport, but it sure seems that it’s impossible to keep everyone happy.
@wonderchica22@xanga - It makes me sad too. It seems that wearing something like that is a very selfish thing to do. People frequently misconstrue what their rights are. It’s like someone saying their free speech rights are being violated when they are kicked off a plane for talking about bomb or something. It doesn’t work that way!
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@misswheeler - It is impossible to keep everyone happy. That’s a large part of the reason I got out of the airline business. It fucking sucks (and the pay fucking sucks too, even for those of us who have hundreds of lives in our hands every day). It’s not as glamorous as Hollywood likes to make it out to be.
Like I said, it’s a fine line you have to tread. I can understand banning articles of clothing that would compromise the safety of one’s self or others on board the aircraft and/or that may reveal body parts that are only for your and your S/Os eyes, but beyond that I can’t see any justification for airline dress codes.
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They’re perfectly within their right to enforce a dress code – they’re a private company. If you don’t like it, fly with someone else, or stop whining and wear appropriate clothing. I’ve seen how some people dress to fly – and yeah, it’s nice to be comfortable and I’m all for freedom of expression, but if a company has a dress code, you’re choosing to abide by it when you pay for your tickets, so put up and shut up.
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People used to dress for flights. They look like absolute shit now. I wish they’d really step it up on dress code.
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@secretbeerreporter@xanga - Agreed. If I’m flying for 8 hours, I’m wearing a pair of sweats and a t-shirt. I don’t care what people think. The ‘fashion police’ can shut it.
orchid / 105 posts
@secretbeerreporter@xanga - Oh trust me, I worked in the service industry for many years. People WANT to be upset about something.
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@velvetcuffs@xanga - Haha, I feel you. And a little secret, the pilots loosen up in the cockpit too. When I was flying airline, after we shut the cockpit door and pushed back from the gate the ties came off (we almost all wear clip-on ties) and the first couple of buttons on the uniform shirt get undone. Stays that way until we arrive at the gate and open the cockpit door again. We’re bad, I know.
@misswheeler - Hahahaha you got that right! Hell, a passenger even complained to me after a bit of a rough landing. Yeah, I could have landed softer than I did, but runway conditions didn’t allow me to and quite frankly I’d loved to have seen him do better!
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PRIVATE COMPANY?
I want my 15 billion dollars of GOVERNMENT TAXED MONEY back.
sunflower / 300 posts
@Endrath@xanga - This, this, this.
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I think taking people’s freedom away in every area of life is much more complain-worthy than a little too much cleavage or a shirt that not everyone likes.
I mean COME ON.
And spare me your “it is their legal right blablah the poor poor companies”-bullshit. It SHOULDN’T be their legal right, but even more importantly it is NOT THE POINT wether it’s legal, the point is wether it’s right. Powerful companies shouldn’t dictate our culture (nor should the government). And airlines are powerful, some people depend on them.
Yeah, everything has a line. But some things make total sense, others don’t. If someone makes statements that cearly upset others it can lead to weakining security. Say if someone wore a KKK shirt. But too much cleavage? That’s ridicoulous. Other people, other cultures. If you go to a public place, such as an airport, or into the city, you
see people who aren’t like you and don’t conform to your social norm.
People should GET OVER IT and I feel like they just give a point to the
nitpicky complainers.
They should also make the rules that are being enforced public and clearly understandable, explain why they do it, or at VERY least offer free alternative clothing (such as simple shirts) and not deny the flight to anyone. Like I said, some people depend on flights.
(and no, I don’t dress “slutty” and I don’t own any insulting garments, it’s about the principle)
sunflower / 451 posts
I think if they’re going to have a dress code, they should make people aware of it beforehand. I agree that a private business has the right to refuse service to anyone, but everyone has a different idea of what’s acceptable. Even if you have a shirt that says “F*** you!” on it, people might say it’s common sense that you don’t wear that on the plane, but people wear them in all sorts of other places where there may be children, like the mall.
I think it’s got to be annoying to pay hundreds of dollars for a plane ticket, only to be told you can’t board the plane because of the fashion police. If there’s a dress code, it should be posted on the airline website.
orchid / 105 posts
@EccentricSiren@xanga - Places like malls are also considered private businesses, and I’m not sure where you’re from, but I know that in Texas, if someone was at the mall wearing a shirt with profanity on it, they would be asked to leave. I agree with you that they SHOULD make a dress code public, although it’s really sad that there has to be a public sign that’s like “Okay, y’all, please refrain from wearing shirts that say: #&$*, $##&@)#, $#&#*@(, #@*$#&#…” It sounds like more of a job for the Common Sense Police than the Fashion Police. It’s very sad.
@under_the_carpet@xanga - People compromise their freedoms by flying every day… by having their bags searched and rummaged through and by submitting to full body security scans. If you’re making the choice to fly with an airline, you have to adhere to their rules. If people feel that it violates their rights, they can simply fly somewhere else, take a bus, ship, or train, or drive themselves to their destinations. I do agree with you that the cleavage is a little silly to get so upset about though. Obviously some of these enforcers have never been to Wal-Mart. They’d just die.
I don’t think this dress code is about powerful companies dictating our culture, unless our culture mainly consists of a bunch of people wearing “F*&^ you” shirts… And in this instance, the point IS whether it’s legal or not.
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@misswheeler - The difference between searching someone’s bags and the cleavage thing is that searching the bags makes sense for security reasons (just like, as I mentioned, things that are cleary offensive possibly do), but what dressing modestly or adequately is, is very subjective. Give me a sensible reason based on facts and I’m ok with it. Not so, if someone just finds something a little bit icky or tacky. I don’t think people should be told what to do by anyone, unless it has remarkable consequences for other people (or strictly goes against the idea of the business itself, which I don’t think it does here).
orchid / 105 posts
@under_the_carpet@xanga -
I do agree with you that the cleavage is a little silly to get so upset about though.
That is from my previous comment. I think the cleavage thing is bogus. Totally agree with you on that one!
As mentioned in the third paragraph of the post, one of the people who was asked to change their clothing was wearing a t-shirt that said “Terrorists are going to kill us all.” That’s clearly a security issue because it would make some passengers feel very threatened and uncomfortable, not “icky.” If I were to board a plane and another passenger was wearing that, I would get the eff off that plane… although I shouldn’t be the one to have to get off the plane and change my entire schedule around. It should be the idiot that woke up and decided that that would be a sensible shirt he/she could get away with wearing on an airplane.
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@misswheeler - yeah and I do agree with you on the shirt!
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@Katherine_the_third@xanga - Same. Flying has always meant no jeans, no tshirts, but a skirt and blouse to me.
I suppose I agree that they have the right to impose a reasonable dress code. It’s not like they’re asking everyone to “dress up,” but to use common courtesy to other passengers. But personally, I don’t think I would care much.
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Oh god life would be so boring if WalMart enforced a dress code XD
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If they are going to enforce a dresscode then flights better fucking get better. I refuse to be in some getup on a five foot wide plane for five hours!!!
Fair is fair imo.
Comfy seats, more leg room, give me space from my potentially nasty neighbor and noms to enjoy myself.