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It depends on the wrong doing.  Celebrities are just like anyone else.  There personal lives are their personal lives.  However, some things like abuse and statutory rape are hard to overlook.  

I don’t know… there’s some point where you say “that was a long time ago, and MAYBE we can forgive the person” (I’m not advocating rape here)… And there are other times when we look at things and say, “I hope they’re getting help for that…”

But let’s face it, everyone has their own moral “line”… I don’t like to support actors/artists who sleep with everyone on the planet… I just think it’s a bit revolting. On the other hand, it’s THEIR life. I would never ever ever sleep with Charlie Sheen given the chance… and I don’t really care to support him either. 

As for the people you mentioned (this is me PERSONALLY I don’t have a problem with what other people think) 

Charlie Sheen has gotten worse and worse over the years and I officially think that as a “person” he is a bit of a lost cause. Not because he’s necessarily a druggie or likes women, but because of how he treats them and his children and family. Do I see movies with him IN them? Sure… Do I think he’s a great actor…? Eh… he’s “alright” at best. Do I want to give him a thumbs up? No. 

As for Roman Polanski… the offense that we are talking about is what… thirty years ago? That doesn’t make it excusable, but take THIS into account. We lock rapists who have BRUTALLY raped young women in jail for ten, fifteen years and then we… “let them out”… Should Roman go to jail for this? Yes. But should we always look at his work and say, “UGH he raped a girl 30 years ago so nothing he does is good?” I don’t know. That’s up to you and how you feel about “art”… keeping in mind that artists have ALWAYS done things that were questionable, strange, and morally wrong to the public even all the way back to the days of Christ. – Also remember the old saying, “Hurt people HURT people…” Roman “survived” the holocaust, and who knows what he experienced/ saw that influenced him as a young man. His first wife was ALSO BRUTALLY MURDERED by the Manson family. WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT (Sorry for the caps, not yelling, emphasizing) If you spoke with him today about things like “rape” he might feel differently. Yes, again, he still deserves prison. 

And now the white Elephant in the room… Mel Gibson… le’ sigh… Repeatedly, I can not figure out what this man has done to warrant so much hatred… I UNDERSTAND that he made some offhanded comments about the Jews… But he was DRUNK. He’d RECENTLY made a film about Jews and Christ… and HE WAS DRUNK… Actors do things all the time when they’re DRUNK that are horrible.. in fact, when ANYONE gets drunk they do and say things that are ridiculous, and embarrassing. Do we all understand what happens when you get drunk? YOU DO AND SAY STUPID THINGS… and things that you might not be behind… I was a virgin when I Was married, but I can see getting drunk and sleeping with someone NOW… why? Because judgment goes out the window. Unfortunately, Mel has had a drinking problem most of his life, and often, this has been the cause of his “flamboyant tongue”… He’s done and said things when his guard was down/altered by alcohol, and if you’re going to drink like that… then yeah… you’re gonna have problems to deal with later on…

I don’t see anyone complaining this much about Lindsey Lohan… she is another one who drinks, parties, says offensive things, and disrespects all around her. 

What’s my point? Actors are under a lot of pressure… How would YOU feel if every little dark thing that was in your closet came SPILLING out all of the sudden for the public? Or worse, they set it up that way just to get you on camera finally blowing your top? 

Some behavior is not excusable, but it IS forgivable, and art is art. 

Did we judge President Clinton for squirting jizz all over Monica the intern’s blue dress and then lying about it?

Whatever it was, it didn’t affect job, right?

So give the show biz pervert, Jew hater and pedophile a break will you? 

After all, who are we to judge?

@LKJSlain@xanga - Roman Polanski had consensual sex with a thirteen year old. She admitted it herself and say people who still lambast them are stupid.A hundred years ago the most dignified American men slept with girls that age and married them. Most lasting for life. Statutory rape is a new law and really only carried out in the U.S & European society. Trying to veil the worse atrocities still dismissive in law today. As for racism. It’s only liberal whites who get truly outraged by it these days. Colored people like me laugh at them. If it weren’t for racism we’d have no Blues, Jazz, Gospel, Rock’n'Roll, And Hip-hop to have our own identity before the mainstream culture fucks it all up puts a brand on genius and have it played in a family friendly children sing-along show that sucks so much balls it chokes to death. 

I’ll enjoy their art as long as it isn’t affected too much by their personal lives.

I feel like the whole premise of Charlie Sheen’s new show is a reaction to his recent controversy, so I find it hard to enjoy because it seems so contrived. Yet if I wanted to, I could still subject myself to an episode of Two and a Half Men without thinking, “Oh, that’s that actor who melts down and yells racist shit at porn stars.” because, even though his character is very similar to Charlie Sheen, at least it doesn’t feel like the entire premise of the show came about as a reaction to his life the way Anger Management did.

Meanwhile, take someone like Kanye West who had a huge backlash against him after the 2009 VMA thing. His next album seemed very unaffected by that event (except for the part where he admits to being a douchebag), was pretty good, and stood on its own as a singular work of art without requiring any context. So I was able to appreciate it whereas, if he had sacrificed quality for the sake of commenting on the whole Taylor Swift thing, I wouldn’t appreciate it as much.

@Benjamin888@xanga - To some degree, I agree with you. I find it funny that the “more advanced” we’ve become, the more we treat young people like they’re actually YOUNGER than they are O_o… this is baffling to me. Young women were bearing children and working in fields many years ago here. AND IN FACT STILL ARE in other countries… but not us Americans… oh no! We have to treat our children like they’re all “ultra” sensitive and spoil them to the max. It makes young people more and more apathetic. 

REAL parents make their children work, and teach them to take responsibility for themselves and their own actions so they grow up to be FINE adults… All with love, respect, friendship and mutual communication… 

On the OTHER hand… whether it’s a law or not, I’m not entirely sure what I think about him sleeping with someone so young. Had they been… Oh, I dunno, 15 or 16, I might shrug it. But 13 is only one year from 12 O_o… I dunno. 

Most rich people are sick in the head.

People love Morgan Freeman but do you know he cheated on his wife. . . with his GRANDDAUGHTER?
Make you think again about him playing God in some movies right? (and those Visa commercials)

Maybe I missed something.. But isn’t Charlie Sheen just fucking and doing drugs? I don’t see what’s wrong with that…

Not that I’m defending him, but you left out one of Sheen’s best performances- “Wall Street”. Another one is “Platoon”.  Leaving those out shows bias on your part. It’s clear you’ve already made up your mind before even asking the question. 

kpop stars don’t seem to be this scandalous or they are just good at hiding it, but I’m a fan of kpop celebs because they are so awesome that it is unreal or fantasy, so I don’t like celebs that seem like the rest of us. I have annoying neighbors and coworkers or just watching the local news on tv if I want to know what “real” everyday people seem to do. if they can’t fulfill my fantasy character, then I can’t see them as a celeb anymore lol to each their own. we admire different celebs for different reasons.

I don’t understand people who can’t separate the artist from their work. Take Kayne West for example: huge backlash yet he does quality work. I’ll keep buying his music as long as he keeps making excellent music. Same for Roman Polanski, he’s an amazing director. There is something there that makes the person who sees Polanski’s movies actually think, and that is rare to find in a director.

I can’t believe anyone wouldn’t be able to get something out of Polanski’s or Kanye’s music simply for the fact you let the person get in the way of the art. To deprive yourself of great art is to limit your growth as a human being, and that’s a worse crime than judging someone you only know through the media.

I don’t understand the big deal about Charlie Sheen. So he drinks a lot, does drugs and sleeps around? So what. It doesn’t make him a bad person – and these girls he gets involved with, it’s VOLUNTARY. They don’t have to get involved with him if they don’t want to, so stop making him out to be a horrible person.

@Jade_Orchid@xanga - err, what? Morgan has denied those claims to the bitter end. There’s no solid proof behind it.

@SoullFire@xanga - Sorry, but I have not seen those movies or at least saw them at a young age and don’t remember them. I have heard he’s brilliant in both, though. The roles I’m listing are the one’s that I can recall at the top of my head.

@LKJSlain@xanga - Roman Polanski has had several relationships with underage girls after the rape charge and in Europe.  It may be legal there because of age of consent laws, but obviously the man has issues.  I’m sure his horrific life in the Polish ghettos as a child in WWII had a direct affect on why he fled to avoid prison, but still.

I cannot find one damn good reason why pursuing or viewing the arts should be more important than what humans do to other humans.  All of these people have harmed women, I’m not okay with that in the context of celebrating the arts.  

@daydreams_nightmares@xanga - Charlie Sheen physically harms women.  He was even accused of shooting his then girlfriend Kelly Preston.  Of course, he says she shot herself.  If he just slept around and did drugs, true, who cares… that’s like all of Hollywood.  

@daydreams_nightmares@xanga - I don’t have qualms with his substance abuse, but rather his history of domestic violence. I am a huge advocate for women’s safety, so Charlie Sheen is beyond worthy of my despisal.

Anna Holmes wrote a great article for NYT about Sheen’s history and current reception of his image:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/opinion/04holmes.html?pagewanted=all

@AmorVomnia7@xanga - allegations of spousal abuse as well with Denise Richards, and that one current one that had his twins. Apparently, our opinions doesn’t matter, Charlie Sheen is doing great regardless. For the record, he is my top 4 favorite actors out there :^)

This is a complicated issue, and I have to admit I don’t have any particularly well worked out views about the degree to which our moral views of an artist should shape our views of his or her art. I’ll just note this – if morality requires that we take a dim view of the art produced by anyone who is a scumbag in one way or another (and I agree, on a moral level I think all of the people you’ve discussed are pretty despicable), we won’t be left with much art to enjoy. 

“We all search for relatability in our artists”

Why? I don’t understand this. Actors are people that lie for a living. I enjoy movies as much as the next person, but I don’t see the point in trying to figure out who they really are.