You read right; Arizona is at it again. Only this time, it’s not a joke. It’s not the same thinly-veiled jab we’re used to, being pushed through the system by some sycophantic representative gouging for his or her place as Cleverest Of Them All. Nope, this is a bill that aims to outlaw abortion after 20 weeks. What’s that you say, that’s the law already? Ah yes, but I invite you to read the fine print: It wants to redefine a fetus as a living creature as soon as a woman ovulates, up to two weeks before the egg is even fertilized. That means, by this law… we’re all pregnant.
So here we are, calling a baby a baby before the couple in question even decides to conceive. Because hey, she laid an egg. There’s the potential for a heartbeat, it must be alive. Right?
Certainly, they are trying move the gestational cutoff from what had been over the last two years a 20-week gestational cutoff to an 18-week gestational cutoff. At the same time, they are trying to say, ‘Oh, this is a 20-week abortion ban.’ And they get away with that with the definition of gestational age that’s in the bill.
says State Issues Manager Elizabeth Nash on the topic. And she’s right. Even though it’s a technicality and could be easily overlooked, it’s still logically absurd, and it tightens the crosshairs just a little further on a woman’s right to choose. I don’t know about you, but if this is how lawmakers aim to gain ground on the issue, I’m calling shenanigans. Unfortunately, this is Arizona we’re talking about. And no offense to its residents of course, but Arizona is getting pretty infamous for its perpetuation of said shenanigans. Elizabeth Nash went on to comment that the bill had, “very good chances of passage.” Super.
But apparently, not everyone is surprised by this turn of events. One reader comments:
When you’re pregnant they always count the weeks of gestation from the end of your last period. If you open up “What to Expect When You’re Expecting” or similar books to see how your baby is growing that week, it is referring to that many weeks after your last period. Almost ALL literature you’ll read and doctors count gestation this way. It has nothing to do with the lawmakers changing things- they’re just using the same criteria used in the medical field.
Valid argument? I’ve never been pregnant, so this is news to me. Is this generally the way it goes?
The real downside, according to one source, is that diminishing the time window for an abortion might cause a couple to abort early if signs of an unsafe pregnancy are apparent, even if they’re inconclusive. The 20-week window has more than arbitrary implications in terms of tests that are able to be run on an unborn child. Parents might panic because of the deadline and terminate unnecessarily. The new law is still technically discordant from other states’ regulations across the board. Whether or not this proves to be a big or small issue, it’s something that should be taken into consideration.
This isn’t unfamiliar territory, though, if we think back. Just a little over a year ago the Republican Party in the US capitol tried to redefine what qualified as “rape.” So, I guess this laughable — and yet disheartening — turn of events is just the flavor of the week for the radical right-wing nardfarts out there trying to pry the last say-so I had about my body out of my cold, dead hands. [source]
Le sigh. I had a moment of relief when I heard that Rick Santorum had dropped out of the GOP race, but this kind of news makes such relief short-lived.
What do you think of this underhanded attempt to narrow a woman’s right to choose, even by a mere two weeks? Do you think a baby is a baby, even at ovulation?
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… is it too late to return Arizona to Mexico? or whomever we got that state from?
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fucking ridiculous.
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The comment about gestation time is correct.
daffodil / 1615 posts
Hmm. If that’s the case, then I guess it’s time to break the news to my boyfriend…
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - Yep, you’re right. If I remember correctly, all of southwest United States used to belong to Mexico…or something like that. xD
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wait. does this mean i can take maternity leave whenever i ovulate??? SWEET!!!!!!
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Since 5th grade, they’ve taught us that a baby is not its way until the ovum hooks up with a sperm. Have I learned the wrong thing this whole time?
orchid / 217 posts
So…. if we are pregnant when we ovulate, then when we have our period is that considered a natural abortion, an abortion or a miscarriage?
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - I never thought about it that way! I am letting my boss know pronto.
Ridiculous and scary. Nice to know the thousands of eggs I am carrying are all lives. I need to sit down and name them all.
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@babybug329@xanga - we are both wrong.
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@Erika_Steele@xanga - or even better. can i claim mine on my taxes?
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - Ha! Maybe I won’t owe on my taxes next year! Sweet!!!
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - every woman should move to Arizona and claim her eggs on her taxes.
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@voodoo_flower_child@xanga - exactly. fucking ridiculous
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - or else just, fucking give it to somebody for free, whoever dibs it first request, hand it over.
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Dumb and Dumber…is there something in their water?
tulip / 5 posts
This is nothing scandalous. They are using the same dating system for pregnancy weeks that every ob-gyn uses in America. It makes sense for them to use standard medical terminology. This is much ado about nothing. If you have a problem with the purpose or intent of the law, you have a right to your opinion but this is just an attempt to use the average person’s ignorance about pregnancy terminology against the opposing side. Fight for your opinions and thoughts with facts and well thought out arguments not with ignorant vitriol.
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I wouldn’t mind being Mexicano. The bishops and the narcos would never THINK of a person existing when he/she didn’t.
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@sorority_girl86@xanga - my thought exactly!
So if ovulation means we’re pregnant, than every time we have our periods we have a miscarriage. That means that if I take birth control, which stops ovulation, I will be saving lives. But arizona doesn’t want birth controls to be accessible (from reading previous posts).
Internal contradiction much Arizona?
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…sweet Lucifer…
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@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga - i like your thinking.
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Well I do agree that a fetus is a person as conception but I don’t think once you ovulate. This just seems odd. Because your egg cannot survive without the sperm. Just seems like nonsense to me
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Yeah, the medical thing is correct. They count your weeks by the date of your last period. That whole 40 weeks thing? They mean 40 weeks from your last period. So it actually is logical. *shrugs* Sorry.
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Dear liberal friends. The thing with aborting earlier may or may not be a valid point.
But I feel like some people just want to hate on another thing that “goes against women”. I’m liberal too and pro choice because I think that in the first weeks a fetus hardly is a living being or human, and how women are shamed for “being sluts” is just awful. However I am pretty hardcore pro-life as well, which means I want to protect everyone who actually is alive. I think from a certain point in pregancy that involves fetuses. (Although I cannot say which I would choose, I’d have
to read more about that).
This one is NOT just some bullshit hate-law.
Evidently they only count back for 2 more weeks in case there IS a fetus, because it possibly
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could be 2 weeks older than they know for sure. If the idea is that the fetus counts as a baby or at least more than a tumor after 20 weeks in the womb this is the only thing that make sense, in fact I had that idea myself. (and you see, if I had that idea it can only be right
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GODDAMMIT, ARIZONA!! KNOCK YOUR SHIT OFF. I’m sick of it. #IliveinArizona. Stuff like this is frustrating. Honestly…
And you know what? Women need to but the men in Congress in their damn place. They can NOT dictate our bodies.
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lol @ arizona
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Arizona comes with the stupidest ideas ever lately…
sunflower / 448 posts
Doctors measure gestation from date of last period, so it’s always been an average two weeks off. This bill is trying to correct for that. This article is poorly written and doesn’t address any of the actual issues here.
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@NightCometh@xanga - That’s what you get with Lovelyish, I guess. No one understands that getting pregnant is a CHOICE when you decide to have sex. I guess we should just put sexually transmitted diseases in the same category as being pregnant. OH, wait, they already do.
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@NightCometh@xanga - True that. I’m a little surprised that so many people who constantly blather on about women’s reproductive systems don’t even know about gestation dates. Makes me think that perhaps they are just looking for key words to get righteously outraged about…
#commentingonsomethingyoudon’tunderstand
^That was my first attempt at a #, yay!
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Yes, if you do not know the exact date of conception (some women do, it can be either planned or charted), then they use the last day of your last period as the start of gestation. They acknowledge that it could be off two weeks either way, and that’s the reason why you’re considered full term at 37 weeks, and can go until 41 weeks without incident. It’s also why you don’t usually find out you’re pregnant until you’re at least 4-6 weeks pregnant and missing a period. Regardless of how the bill is worded, a woman is usually sent for a dating ultrasound to figure out exactly how far along she is, and all of the tests that are used to discover abnormalities or offer the option to abort are done at the right gestational time.
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I have irregular periods.
Suck it, Arizona.
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I’M NOT PREGNANT! I’m on The Pill so I don’t ovulate.
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If you had actually read the bill it states that: 7. “Viable fetus” has the same meaning prescribed in section
22 36-2301.01, which in turn states: 3. “Viable fetus” means the unborn offspring of human beings that has reached a
stage of fetal development so that, in the judgment of the attending physician on the
particular facts of the case, there is a reasonable probability of the fetus’ sustained
survival outside the uterus, with or without artificial support.
it does NOT anywhere say that it defines pregnancy when a woman ovulates. It defines “gestational age” as: 4. “Gestational age” means the age of the unborn child as calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman.
When conception occurs, the egg and sperm meet approximately 2 weeks before a woman is able to find out she is pregnant (when it begins producing the hormone detectable by a pregnancy test). That does in no way shape or form mean that an unfertilized egg is pregnancy.
Additionally, Arizona legislation explicitly states that birth control is NOT abortion, and if your said statement was true (that the bill states pregnancy occurs when a woman ovulates), it would imply that preventing that ovulation (which birth control does) would be an abortion, and the bill explicitly states it does not consider birth control to be abortion.
I suggest reading the actual legislation and understanding the female pregnancy cycle before considering any future posts regarding this topic.
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that is absolutely ludicrous.
orchid / 184 posts
Oh Arizona smh that makes absolutely no sense but I’m not surprised. The politics there seem terrible.
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“When you’re pregnant they always count the weeks of gestation from the end of your last period.” This is true.
Here is a more descriptive article of what’s going on.
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What about the hordes of infinite sperm dying all over guys rooms?
peony / 1 posts
@flapper_femme_fatale@xanga -
Maybe we can “vote” on it like they DIDN’T… Looks like the internet is catching on to the Arizona craziness. Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTm6lQ1b0As
Pretty funny though!