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Press charges. There Is no need for an act of aggression towards someone else. It’s unacceptable and they are both adults. The person who did it should have handled it differently. The person should be held accountable. What Kim did about not pressing charges that night because of the event shows how mature she is by not taking it out on the event and causing a scene. Even though the person who did it did cause a scene. Shows how mature she is.

Pressing charges or not, it’s not going to make that much of a difference. The fur activist will still complain and Kim K will still not care.

Really?

I mean, REALLY?
Sure, the woman was acting in a distasteful way but to press charges over something as minuscule as this is just pathetic. I’d be a millionaire if I had pressed charges every time some acted against me that was not right. Get over it.

I would, I think. People don’t understand that it is NOT OKAY to treat people like this, no matter who you are. What kind of example is it to kids, or whoever, to think that bullying others is okay and you can get away with it, no problem. It is a small thing and really not a big deal, but when you think about the bigger picture, it definitely is.

If someone had done that to me, I’d press charges. The jackasses throw this shit on people aren’t making any points about the cause…they’re just looking for some attention, and I would assume that she knew the risks of doing this in the first place.  This whole thing seems desperate to me (on the part of the person that threw the flour), so as much as I do not like Kim, I can’t blame her for pressing charges, and I would dare to say that the person who did this is on the same level as Kim as far as desperation and ignorance goes. 

@Xbeautifully_broken_downX@xanga - i agree. Flour one time, red paint another…kind of a low blow. They should try to educate people and not stoop down to their level.

@Cho_0705@xanga - Definitely. Education is key in things like this. Throwing paint or flour on someone is just going to make them angry…and get your ass in jail. I fail to see what this accomplishes?

Hell yeah she should press charges!  Kim has the right to wear fur all she wants.  It is a legal option.  Personally, I don’t like fur at all as I think it is cruel and unnecessary.  But since she has the legal right, she can.  The activist has no legal right to throw anything on anyone.  It’s public humiliation and the activist isn’t a judge or jury and has no right to shame anyone.  I hope Kim wins and gets some money (which she won’t need) for pain and suffering due to emotional abuse and the dry cleaning bill… and then she could donate that money to an animal shelter.  

I mean I guess it would be reasonable to press charges if her property, aka her outfit got damaged beyond repair. But 1) flour doesn’t do that and 2) she’s got enough money to replace it anyways.

Yes, I would press charges. It’s not okay to treat someone like that.

She can’t win either way lmfao. She doesn’t press charges, people think she’s trying to be a goody two shoes; she decides to press charges, she’s overreacting.I agree with what she did. Especially waiting until after the event is over.

@MissAshley - I mean.. Kim doesn’t exactly have people dumping flower over her head every day…. I’d do it more as a “Just because you don’t like me, doesn’t mean you can get away with this,” act. Its an immature, high school level act, but no matter what age you shouldn’t get away with it…

“It’s not okay to treat people like that” – How about, it’s not okay to brutally murder animals for the sake of fashion. If Kim Kardashian wears fur, she’s responsible for that, and should be held accountable. Since the laws do nothing to protect animals, public shaming is one of the very few ways to get the message across to her that what she’s doing is wrong.

I would press charges, yes (hypothetically that is. I’ve been irked by the popo since high school for personal reasons I won’t divulge). I feel like people who had condoned the behaviour in the original post would not have condoned it had it occurred against a celeb that everyone here likes or against a random stranger on the street. Definitely a case of just-world thinking to me, assuming that she deserves what she gets, and almost a bit like blaming the victim. I already mentioned in my original comment in the original post that the “activist” really wasn’t bringing any attention to the cause but just stirring up conversation about Kim herself. And it doesn’t make me view people who are against fur in a positive light at all. I hold no positive or negative moral opinions about fur myself, maybe because I live in Canada and there’s definitely a history of fur trade here as well as a higher likelihood of needing to wear it for warmth. But if you present your arguments in a childish, belittling, rude manner that doesn’t actually allow for debate or for people wisely and learnedly sharing their views/opinions, then you should keep your opinions to yourself. Harming someone in order to get a message across never does any good.

@inthemillions@xanga - So she should get treated in such a manner simply for choosing to buy something? She wasn’t the one who skinned the animal, manufactured the item, and sold it to herself. It’s her choice to wear it. I’m an agnostic atheist but I’m not going to go and throw flour at a celeb who is famous for spewing pro-religious views that are almost always met with great disdain (from both non-religious and religious individuals). Like I already said, if you can’t share your beliefs and views in a calm, mature, and intelligent manner then you should keep your mouth shut. Such actions don’t bring anything positive to movements against wearing fur. In fact, I’d think that it does more harm to the cause than good. Kind of like how PETA gets a crapload of backlash for a lot of the stunts they pull. 

I must be the only person who thinks this whole incident was staged.  *shrugs*

She definitely should press charges.
I respect your opinion for not buying furs, leather, and other animal-derived products… I respect you when you come up to me and tell me about the horrors that an animal went through so I could wear that awesome [faux, you silly person] fur vest I got last year. So you know what? You must respect me, as well. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

@ashleynicole - Her choosing to buy something is her paying for people to skin animals. A person who spews pro-religious views isn’t actually hurting anyone. The two things can’t be compared. I do agree that it is a bit of an immature way to handle the situation, but the options are so limited. Animal activists are often unheard no matter what way they try to get their message out.

@inthemillions@xanga - So saying that homosexuals are handicapped and will go to hell isn’t hurting anyone?

Options aren’t limited unless you decide that they are. As with anything, there are plenty of ways to bring awareness, you just need to be creative about it. Something as simple as a bake-sale type of event, staging an actual benefit, a walk, etc. Locally, a group lived on the street for 5 days to bring awareness to homelessness. And someone just posted about men walking in heels to bring awareness to sexual abuse. Clearly you can do small things that don’t do harm to others to get your message across.  

What this woman did legally meets the definition of assault. If Kim was offended by what she did, she should press charges. I would, there was no reason for her to take her attack to that level. 

@ashleynicole - The truth is the that anyone who does not repent of their sin and accept Jesus as their Savior is going to hell.

@inthemillions@xanga - I agree with you. People who believe the Word of God should not be silenced. People can be offended by the Word of God all day long. That does not make them any less the truth. 

Good for her. Standing up for herself. I’d press charges on the bitch too.

@MissAshley - Kim was physically assaulted. You’re saying that if someone smacked you with a bag of flour you’d be like “nahhh dude its all good. go about your life.” Fuck that. This psycho deserves whatever punishment she gets.

@PrincessVictoria_2004@xanga - You mean the belief according to Christians. Because belief does not equate to truth, especially when my belief is that there is no hell or heaven. But rarely (if ever) are non-Christian groups targeted in the way homosexuals are by some overzealous religious persons. Obviously not every Christian or Christianity-offshoot religious follower will condone such views or beliefs, but it’s definitely been seen. 

And I will have to ask you to be respectful of those of us who are not religious and/or spiritual. I show respect to those who are by not pushing my beliefs and views on them or chastising them for their views and opinions. At most I will simply share my views on the subject while allowing for their views to shape how I look at my opinions and beliefs. I would ask the same of any religious individual when the venue is not clearly designed for that specific group. Your intentions may no be to push your beliefs, but that sure as hell is how it is coming off. Otherwise, if your intentions are to troll, then I’d have to ask that you take that elsewhere, because I’d rather that this environment remain intact for those of us who are genuine in our words. 

@ashleynicole -  I am not trying to “push my views” on you, like I said merely stating the facts. If someone who is of any group hardens their heart against God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, they are not entering Heaven. I am sure that you are upset to hear that the sins that you are naming are included in that category, but it is not the specific sin that sends us to hell, it is the unrepentant spirit. We are all sinners. It seemed as if you were attacking Christianity when you mentioned that you thought that we were causing “harm” to people by speaking the truth of what the Word of God says. I would rather love someone enough to tell them the truth NOW than have it be too late when they die.

people should be held accountable for their actions and she definitely should press charges.

@PrincessVictoria_2004@xanga - Opinion and belief are not fact. It may feel factual to yourself, but it is not. Example: I do not claim the non-existence of God to be a fact, it is my personal opinion/belief. I also will admit to the likelihood that Jesus did exist, but this is not a solid fact; I simply understand that there are quite a lot of pieces of evidence that would suggest that this man did exist. Now what I do believe is that he did not at all possess any type of mythical power and that he was simply an ordinary man, yet I am not stating this as fact. If someone wants to believe that a man named Jesus was able to resurrect or was conceived by a virgin then that’s just fine, I won’t go belittling their opinions or try to tell them that they are in fact completely wrong when this is an entirely personal opinion. Now when it comes to beliefs that are based on actual facts that can be proven in a scientific manner, then that’s a different area entirely. 

Your beliefs are absolutely fine for yourself. I’d rather not associate with someone who is unable to hold their own beliefs without being able to accept differing beliefs of others when those beliefs do not pose any harm to others. I do honestly feel that persons such as yourself perpetuate negative stereotypes about religious individuals and cause those of us who aren’t religious or those who happen to be religious and yet “against” what is deemed “appropriate” by that same religious group to not want to associate with those individuals. 

Yes, when someone uses their religion as an excuse to condone their hateful beliefs/attitudes towards a group it does harm within society. Thankfully there are many Christians who do not behave that way, but it’s quite sad when these sacred texts are viewed literally and are then used to distort and mould someone’s way of life when interacting with non-religious (or any) persons. 

I would rather love someone now for their own beliefs and choices than try and make them feel as though they are living the “wrong” life by not living by my personal standards and beliefs. Even if I were spiritual and believed in an afterlife, I would never tell someone that they are likely to go to hell because of the way they choose to live their life. That is just absolutely horrible and morally imposing. 

Why does anyone even give a shit about this conniving bitch?! She deserved a lot worse to be thrown at her than flour. 

I’d press charges, too. Yes fur is disgusting but these moron activists need to get over themselves and stop trying to act like they are above everybody else. I’m sure none of those idiots are perfect.

@PrincessVictoria_2004@xanga - Lol, those are not facts sweetie, just your opinion. And THAT is a fact.

I’m on the fence really. Pressing charges isn’t gonna do much, what can you get for throwing flour? But also I think it is a bit low to start throwing flour bombs around, I mean how old is that woman, 5? As much as I don’t like any of the Kardashians, I don’t think throwing flour bombs is the right way to go about it.

@FuhkAwf@xanga - So if something that is viewed as assault happens to someone you don’t like, then you applaud it and ridicule the person who was targeted? And I assume that you’d feel the opposite if it happened to someone like, say, a child? Or maybe your best friend? Seems a little biased to me. 

@ashleynicole - You need to get off your damn soap box and come back down to earth.

@FuhkAwf@xanga - So… I’m being unrealistic (and I’ll assume naive as a result) because I understand that acts of violence – because this is violence – against a celebrity that many people seem to dislike are no more “acceptable” than those occurring against people we actually like and/or know? If that’s the case, then I’ll take my naivety and stay high up in the clouds, because I kind of like it up here. Seems to be you are a classic example of the just-world hypothesis and victim-blaming (“The just-world phenomenon is a term referring to people’s tendency to believe that the world is just and that people get what they deserve. Because people want to believe that the world is fair, they will look for ways to explain or rationalize away injustice – often by blaming the victim. Those with this belief tend to think that when bad things happen to people, it is because these individuals are bad people or have done something to deserve their misfortune.” - http://psychology.about.com/od/jindex/f/just-world-phenomenon.htm)

@ashleynicole - What I meant by that was physical harm. It can obviously be emotionally devastating, but no one is forced to sit in a room and listen to hate speech.

Sure, you can make people slightly more aware by doing things like that, but it doesn’t have much of an effect. This flour throwing stunt brought attention to the issue (yes, maybe negative attention) but it still provoked a discussion. The other methods that you suggested, while helpful to the cause, aren’t as effective in getting people’s attention.

My main point was just that I find it surprising (and a little disturbing) that people have more sympathy for a woman who has had flour thrown on her clothes than they do for animals who are tortured and killed in the name of “fashion”.

@LoveeeLikeASunset@xanga - Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father.Phil 2:9-11

@ashleynicole -
I am not basing my Christian walk on a “feeling”. I have actually had many experiences with God and the Lord Jesus Christ that have solidified my faith. He is alive today and He shows Himself to those who seek Him with all of their hearts and He has shown Himself true to me in different ways many times.
I am sorry that you feel that speaking the Word of God is making me into a stereotype in your eyes. There are many other good things that you do not know about me, nor would you be interested to know about me because you have already put me in a “bad Christian” category.
That is fine, I am not trying to be politically correct, speaking the Word of God divides and for that, I am glad that I know where I stand with you.
Thanks for expressing your beliefs. I am a little puzzled as to why you would believe there is no God when there are many things that cannot be proven alone by science.
Many people who have been miraculously healed of different ailments TODAY which has no earthly explanation. Science can’t explain everything and any real scientist who does not have it in his heart to disprove God will tell you that.

@inthemillions@xanga - no, but that doesn’t mean that it can easily occur randomly and for no valid reason. An example: When I was on the bus a while ago, some teenager (I’d guess no older than 17 by his “holy shit I’m so damn cool” demeanour) was standing at the door when the bus stopped. Some people got off, one of whom was someone of Indian descent wearing a turban, and this teenager, as the other guy is walking out of the bus, leans out the door and yells shit to him. So clearly he was not forced to be in that situation and to listen to that, but it still occurred. Emotional harm is just as devastating as physical harm, which has apparently been shown through comparing the detriments of physical abuse versus ostracism and general abandonment, with the latter being worse for the individual. 

This act seems to have brought some attention, yes, but it doesn’t seem like it has changed anyone’s opinions on fur. Everyone who has so far replied in this and the other post has shared their existing beliefs on fur and has not at all stated that this act swayed their beliefs into a different direction – it pretty well solidified their beliefs. Whereas something that is done to promote unbiased and non-fear-mongering education to people would likely give people new things to think about which could change their beliefs. This has not at all changed my beliefs (which weren’t really existent to begin with, which even better demonstrates the lack of effectiveness in this act, since neutral and weak beliefs are easiest to sway) personally. I do think that those other methods are just fine for garnering attention, but if people maintain the mindset that it doesn’t then they will clearly engage in more negative methods. 

Yes, animal cruelty is a terrible thing. But it’s an industry that I don’t see going away any time soon, so it’s far better to take actions and efforts away from penalizing celebrities and instead trying to bring the action to the legislatures and companies to try and improve laws and pelt-obtaining methods (such as banning farms for instance). 

@PrincessVictoria_2004@xanga - That little bible of yours isn’t fact, either. Do you always believe every book you read?

“I am a little puzzled as to why you would
believe there is no God when there are many things that cannot be proven
alone by science.”

Science makes more sense that God, sorry. How does it make sense that a “god” just appeared in the universe or whatever, and started creating people/things? Who created him?

@PrincessVictoria_2004@xanga - And that is your belief and opinion, which is just fine. But do not try and make that belief seem like it should be universally accepted and that it is THE right way to think and feel. Because it is not. You can think that I am damned to hell all you want, I am content with my life and with my spirituality (or lack thereof) and thus others around me need to be accepting of that. 

I’m perfectly fine with people expressing their spirituality. But this is not the place to speak in the way that you have spoken. I’ve had conversations about religion before, with religious and non-religious people, and I made no connections between them and any existing stereotypes because they were not giving off the “I’m trying to make you follow my beliefs” vibe. And much like I prefer religious individuals to not “speak the word” of their religious beliefs when it doesn’t really seem appropriate or on topic, I do not bring into the conversation things about my atheist/agnostic beliefs unless that is the actual topic of discussion. 

The simple answer to your last comment: it takes time to discover explanations. Phenomena are not simply discovered at the whim of a hat. It takes decades, if not centuries sometimes. And even then it takes even more years of rigorous trials to repeat the findings to really call something factual. I have had breathing problems since 2009 and we’ve yet to discover why. Yet I’m not going to say that because it has yet to be explained that it must somehow have been caused by some mystical entity. And that is my belief. If you want to believe that there is some mystical force behind everything, then that’s your choice. I’ve seen a lot of science-driven individuals post on science-driven websites. Scientists understand that some things are simply out of our comprehension, perhaps because of a lack of technology. And they understand to not try and tackle those things. Personally as someone who grew up within a religious environment but was never pushed into any form of religious belief, I’m quite content with the approach taken by scientists and I’m content to rely as much as I can on research and studies to help formulate my understanding of the physical world. 

@LoveeeLikeASunset@xanga - Honestly, everything about the universe just leaves me in total mind-frak mode. I remember once walking down the sidewalk, and as the sun started setting I looked up… and thought “Jesus, there’s like a whole UNIVERSE out there.” LOL. It just does NOT make any sense to me, it’s too much for my head. 

I see no issue with religion or following the bible, although I do think that those texts should be looked at in a metaphorical sense, not as a rule book to be taken literally, word for word. But if religious texts are all actually true and to be taken literally, I would definitely be kind of curious to see what the “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles” apocalypse looked like in person (as the one character suggests that maybe this apocalypse that she spoke of was that which was described in the Book of Revelations). One thing I do wish though in hindsight was that my schooling included classes on all of the major religions, because that would definitely be really interesting to look at histories and ideologies of different religions. It may have even affected my journey of self-discovery in regards to religion (sort of Catholic throughout elementary and super bible-loving in 4th grade due to an extreme phobia of death, then without any real beliefs in the 6th grade, then I started Googling a bunch of different religions and read up on Wicca and Buddhism, and then eventually decided that I was an Atheist when I thought that I would burn in hell for having a year-long crush on a female classmate, and now with a far more open-minded view of religion and spirituality while still not believing in God but not in an absolute, this-is-fact way). If I have kids I’m totally gonna try and get them as educated in these things as I can and let them make up their own minds. 

All the more reason to dislike her, I guess… I mean, it’s just flour… So she was a little embarrassed… So what? She’s a reality TV person… She embarrasses herself on her own show of her own accord any day of the week anyway. I wouldn’t press charges but then again… I don’t wear fur or leather… And whoever thinks she’s going to take that money to donate to an animal shelter should get real. She obviously doesn’t love animals if she’s wearing them. By the way, I’m not just shrugging this issue off because she’s a “celebrity” that I dislike. I’ve just kind of assumed that when you’re famous and you wear animals in public, you might get doused in paint. This isn’t the first occurrence (well, maybe the FLOUR part is). People know what’s up. If you act ignorant, well… Isn’t that kinda your fault?

If it were me I’d probably call the police because that is a form of assault. You can’t just go around throwing things at people. 

@T0m03@xanga - I don’t know why being famous means that you are subject to acts like these and that it should be expected and shrugged off. It’s not like she goes around trying to push beliefs down people’s throats, she just happens to like a fashion trend that is controversial. If she is expected to change her preferences and demeanour in public in such a way that she’s basically a shell so as to not at all potentially bother absolutely anyone, then I would assume that the same should be asked of you and me and everyone in between. Now if she were going around saying racist, sexist, homophobic, etc things all the time, that’s clearly different. I have no moral opinions on fur, I just dislike the look of fur for myself, although my winter boots have (real or fake, no idea) fur in them. People complain about celebs getting special treatment all the time, well it’s hypocritical to be okay with them being treated differently when it comes to personal matters that we disagree on when we wouldn’t treat “normal” people like that. Unless you are suggesting that you’d be more than willing to throw things at your neighbours if you learned that they enjoy wearing fur. 

@Love_never_fails - No I wouldn’t just ignore it. I’d get her back, but not by taking her to court lol. 

@LoveeeLikeASunset@xanga - No one ever said that the Bible gave us every single answer. Even if He did write it out for us, we wouldn’t understand it anyways. Why? Because we are man, and He is God. God is eternal. That is something that the Bible states. Can we understand that because we are finite? No. Does it make it untrue just because we do not understand it? No. Is anything ever untrue just because of the fact that we don’t understand the “science” behind it? No.
God spoke of LOTS of things in the Bible that were never understood to be scientific facts until recently such as condensation. He told the ancient Israelites to practice sanitary habits long before the reasons were understood as to WHY these were important.
There are many scientific facts. But if you approach the Bible in a condescending or unbelieving way, that is what will come back to you. The Bible can only be understood by someone who has a heart to understand and is filled with the Holy Spirit.

@ashleynicole - A belief does not have to be “universally accepted” to be true. What I AM saying is that my beliefs are not right because they are MY beliefs but because I have discovered that God is true to His Word.
That is what has caused me to believe. Science can only provide facts, but the Word of God has offered many promises that have also proved to be true. I respect the fact that you are a free thinker. I think that is good that you are not just following the religion of your parents simply because they told you so. I really believe that is the people whom God chooses to reveal Himself to the most because they are open. I was not raised in a home of any particular faith that is why it is a wonder why I am a Christian today. But God chooses whom He chooses and I am glad that He chose me.
I am fine with the way you are. Nothing and no one will convince you otherwise and I am not going to try. I am just saying that TRUTH never changes. Popular opinion may change, social norms may change, people may change, but the truth is always the same.

@MissAshley - Soo you’d risk yourself getting into trouble with the law? Classy.

@PrincessVictoria_2004@xanga - Beliefs aren’t true or false, factual or nonfactual. They are beliefs, opinion. But you seem to not understand that. Your beliefs are true to yourself. And that’s fine, that’s all that matters. Because my beliefs are also true to myself. But I make absolutely no claims of their legitimacy in regards to the other 7 billion inhabitants of this planet. 

Actually, your reasoning is flawed. Truth constantly changes. Many things that were held to be truths have since been proven to be completely false, such as the earth being square or the earth being the centre of the universe. And there was once a time when it was thought true that looking at the bumps on one’s skull determined personality traits. Even the way we look at historical events changes. To base one’s reasoning on facts is entirely valid, especially when one looks at the facts from different angles. These facts may be true right now, but there is absolutely no way that you can say that in a few centuries everything we view as true now will be seen as true then. 

And you do understand that many of the things that were written about in the bible (written by normal people by the way, it was not penned by one singular entity, let alone a mystical/supernatural entity) were also written prior to the common era, i.e. prior to Jesus. And there is an extensive history for hygiene in cultures. And just look as philosophers: Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Hippocrates, etc. Many of the things they discussed were forgotten for thousands of years. And this was all before the common (i.e. Jesus) era. Look at the Romans for sanitation, they made some amazing innovations in that department – again before any type of Christian bible was written. Christianity, as with every single religion, is completely fabricated by man. So how can we know for certain that the characters involved in the bible are not just that, made up characters? Or as with Jesus (which is my personal belief, one which I formed based on a Classics course taught by a Biblicist), normal people given supernatural qualities that they did not actually possess in order to further the narrative and to really provide a basis for the establishing religion? It doesn’t mean that having faith and being spiritual is bad, nor is being religious bad, but to assume that something based in faith is completely factual simply because it is your faith is a bit silly. Plenty of spiritual individuals look towards religious texts in metaphorical ways while still believing that there is a God, so they are not looking at the bible as though it’s a documentary in written form. 

If you view these supposed words from God as some fantastic truths, then so be it. To say that science only provides facts is quite a narrow way of looking at it. To be spiritual does not mean one cannot also be rooted in science. Approaching the world with a scientific mindset allows you to look at things more critically, to understand that you cannot simply take things for their word just because it is claimed to be factual by someone who claims to have credentials. It gives you a means of saying “hey wait a minute, I need to actually sit and think about this and look at the differing views and pieces of evidence before I make up my mind.” Is this how you approach studying/reading the Bible? Have you researched the various translations, different versions (i.e. different passages put together), read up on the actual figures that supposedly wrote the different texts in the bible (again, none of them written by more-than-human people, and from what I remember a lot of it spans from around the time a man named Jesus may have lived to a number of centuries after his death), looked at secondary academic sources studying the bible? If you are going to purport it all as factual truths then that’s something you should probably do. Whereas if you are going to operate on spirituality and simply take these texts as metaphorical and look at the message as opposed to their literal words, then I see no reason for you to do any of what I’ve suggested. I do think that studying the bible from a scientific point of view (more than simply lining up which passages seem to match with which scientific discoveries) would be something that people of any religion or non-religion would benefit from. I’d definitely take a class on that, it would be very interesting. 

@ashleynicole - Honestly, I understand what you are saying but if truth is subjective to each individual or cultural belief then it is not really truth.
You brought up a point that because the world was found not to be square or not being the center of the universe indicates that some viewpoints are invalid which means that my point is being made. Just because someone from a particular culture BELIEVES that the earth is square or center does not mean that it is TRUTH. As for hygienic practices, the Scriptures I am referring to in the Old Testament were written long before the Roman Empire ever existed.  The Roman Empire came long afterwards with Jesus even being sentenced to death by a Roman Governor.
Finally, if you like to read, check out the book The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. He was a former atheist who came to believe in Christ by looking at Christianity from a scientific perspective.
There are many many testimonies that follow the claims that Jesus made about Himself. Many people are healed through prayer. Many people see visions of Christ appearing to them in countries that forbid the Bible.
If you would like to speak more, feel free to message me.

Can you be charged for throwing flour?!

@Love_never_fails - Didn’t say that.

Classy? You mean like her Jam video? Yeah, kim is classy as all hell lmfao.

@PrincessVictoria_2004@xanga - Then by that reasoning your truths about God are not in fact truths as you’ve said numerous times. I definitely don’t claim the non-existence of God to be a truth or a fact, but simply my belief. 

Except that, as I had mentioned, at that time those statements were believed to be completely 100% true and factual. Heliocentric models were viewed with extreme backlash and heretic labels were given out just like that. And with more research these truths were proven to not actually be truths – which does not negate the fact that they were still at one point seen as entirely factual, which you seem to not want to buy. 

The Roman Empire began in the BCE times. As in BC. As in prior to Christ. It continued on into around ~1430AD, or CE, meaning the common, post-Jesus era. Many other Ancient empires participated in hygiene rituals (both in terms of cleaning and in terms of cosmetics, as shown by the dating of jars used to store oils). In Egypt “For soap Egyptians used natron, swabu (derived from (s)wab meaning to clean), a paste containing ash or clay,[18]which was often scented, and could be worked into a lather, or the like. TheEbers Medical Papyrus, dating from about 1500 BCE, describes mixing animal and vegetable oils with alkaline salts. The soap-like material was used for treating skin diseases, as well as for washing.” In discussing the Minoan civilization (3000-1100BCE): “These buildings were to be admired not only for their architecture, rich decoration and building art, but also for the methods in hygiene and decency of their hydraulic and sewage systems. ” Christianity was founded around 30AD/CE. The oldest writings are said to be from around 3100BCE, and Sumerian. After searching for sources I’ve found no concrete answers as to when the Old Testament canon was first written. But considering many innovations in hygiene practices were starting to emerge from around that same time, clearly shows that hygiene practices probably didn’t originate because of those written sources and were already in practice. Plans and methods get lost, so while one civilization figured it out, if that civilization can’t pass it on then a new civilization has to figure it out on its own. Which is why it can take many centuries to see other examples of different phenomena emerge. 

As for healing through prayer, there’s an extremely simple explanation for that, which has a significant amount of scientific research to back it up: The placebo effect. If you want something enough and believe that something you do/take will produce that positive effect, it can very much occur. And if the ailment someone suffers from is not terminal then they can very well improve their health simply through such power of suggestion. But anecdotal evidence is not factual, it’s simply anecdotal. It’s only given real scientific credence until it can be replicated through studies. Many people see visions and hallucinations of entities they would call a God (as there are multiple Gods for multiple religions – how are we to know that the Judeo-Christian God is the actual God instead of any other God currently or previously worshipped? Is it because “we believe that He is the real God and thus all other Gods are false”? How do we know that He is not a She? That He is not an animal instead of a human? How do we know that our God is perhaps actually an alien race that we cannot at all imagine?), but that doesn’t mean that because they are having these visions that there is a significant mystical reason behind it. Shamans will take hallucinogenic drugs and they, as well as the culture, believe that what they are viewing is truly coming from The Powers That Be. Does this mean that if a schizophrenic patient hallucinates something that claims to be God that this is a genuine holy vision and not a symptom of a psychotic disorder? I’ve had hallucinations, and yet these were not divine in any way, they were caused by illness and likely by a predisposition to schizophrenia. 

Personally I don’t care. I think it was kind of funny that she got flour thrown all over her. It’s definitely her choice whether or not she wants to wear fur though. It was crazy and stupid what that woman did. But I don’t think it’s crazy enough that Kim should press charges. 

@ashleynicole -
Being famous means you are subject to a lot of other things that normal
people aren’t subject to. For one, constantly being scrutinized about
little things. It’s part of the business and they willingly signed up
for it. Due to the fact that there are a lot of people watching, actions
against them make bigger impacts on the general public. This makes
news. If some woman were to throw flour on just some other regular
person, would anyone care? Not likely.

I’m not expecting her to change her fashion preferences. In this
instance, though, I think she could have been more tactful. You may feel
that what she wears doesn’t reflect her beliefs. However, it is obvious
to some people (especially the person who threw flour at her) that
because she wore that, she was supporting the purchase of fur/leather
and was pushing that belief down said person’s throat. Words don’t have
to be exchanged for beliefs to be expressed.

Personally, I make a choice to not wear those things. That doesn’t mean I
feel like I’m better than someone who chooses to. It doesn’t mean I’m
going to throw red paint on someone who chooses to. (Can you imagine
having to carry red paint around just in case you come across someone
who does?) Of course, that’s not to say when red paint is thrown upon them, I would freak out and say it was unjustifiable, either. However, I am going to think twice about hanging out with
said person that wears it. Firstly, I have friends who are a part of
PETA (some who would agree with such actions against celebrities and
some who aren’t). Secondly, I have to think about how much compassion
they really have considering they didn’t think twice about supporting
the fur/leather trade. On the other hand, if it’s something that they
didn’t buy for themselves, or like my ex-roommate from college (who by the way is a vegetarian), was
passed down from generation to generation, I wouldn’t judge them for
wearing it. That would be wasteful to throw away as there are plenty of
people out there who are left in the cold without jackets.

I would press charges. I heard a very good point this morning on the news that it could have been anything, not just harmless flour. It sets a bad precedent if the woman isn’t held accountable. Now should the punishment being very severe? No, because it didn’t really do much harm. But a small fine, maybe some community service would definitely be in order. You can’t just throw stuff at people.

It’s just flour. I’d get the heck over it. 

I would press charges.  It might have been harmless that time, but what if it hadn’t been?

LOL shut the fuck up people

@ashleynicole - Holy shit. You need to get laid.

I hope Kim follows through and presses charges against the jerk who did this.  I enjoy wearing fur and would like to see this person be made an example of or this sort of assault could escalate to someone getting seriously hurt,…  like when I pound one of them into the ground if they tried that with me,…or tried it with Khloe. 

PS Pleeeease remove the comments that have nothing to do with the subject.   

I hope Kim follows through and presses charges against the jerk who did this.  I enjoy wearing fur and would like to see this person be made an example of or this sort of assault could escalate to someone getting seriously hurt,…  like when I pound one of them into the ground if they tried that with me,…or with Khloe. 

If she would have done it immediately, then it wouldn’t be that big of a deal.
Because she said that she wouldn’t & is now pressing charges… pretty pathetic.  But then again, it’s Kim Kardashian.  Always look for ways to be a fame whore & make money.

@ashleynicole - 
There are many people whom have seen Christ after His resurrection through visions and physical appearances. To label these people schizophrenic is quite a statement!

Calling a miracle a “placebo effect” is not scientific in itself. There are many times, many testimonies from people even just recently at our church alone, who have had bones dislocated or out of place on an xray and have gone back  later to find that it was miraculously fused back into place. People who have had cancer tumors that were diagnosed by a doctor whom later went back after times of prayer and were found to have the tumor disappear. That denies explanation that it could possibly be a placebo effect when it involves scientific proof that the tumor and joint dislocation did in fact exist and that disappeared after a time of prayer.

@MissAshley – so how would you “get her back” when she is a celebrity first off and she can’t do anything back to her because then you would be the one going to court? she’s in the public eye at all times.

@Digital_Angel21@xanga - Your comment has been the most sensible out of all the ones written on here.  I completely agree with you.
xo’

I think a cow should have thrown itself at her, instead.  “Wanna wear me. WEAR ME THEN, BITCH. WEAR ME WEAR ME”  I would make such an angry cow, obviously.

@inthemillions@xanga - “My main point was just that I find it
surprising (and a little disturbing) that people have more sympathy for a
woman who has had flour thrown on her clothes than they do for animals
who are tortured and killed in the name of “fashion”

This blatantly simple truth is so uncomfortable for most people to agree with that the amount of contortions and unconscious self-deception created to overcome it is borne only of the intellectual dishonesty that can come from such a “superior”, moral creature as ourselves.

@ashleynicole - ”So saying that homosexuals are handicapped and will go to hell isn’t hurting anyone?” 

It is illegal to commit any crime against a homosexual which cannot be committed against a heterosexual.

However, if a person wants to contribute to the imprisonment, skinning, mutilation, impregnation, ‘medical’ testing, and murdering against helpless non-human animals because he has found some type of justification for doing so, HE CAN.

Saying prejudiced things and committing atrocious acts of inhumanity are not the same, so no.

@ashleynicole - ”So she should get treated in such a manner simply for choosing to buy something?”
Supply and demand.  Without the demand, the supply would diminish.  This is the entire reason why ethical eaters choose to direct their purchasing powers as they do.

Kathy & Hoda said it best; she was doing her job. How would you like it if someone came up to you at work & because they didn’t like who you are or what you wore, dumped a bag of flour on your head? I’d be fucking pissed.

Well honestly I think the only reason she’ll press charges is she’s a celebrity if it was a normal person they probably wouldn’t or if it did it wouldn’t go anyone.

Dude, I can’t even count the number of times i’ve been pinched over the years for not wearing green on St. Patrick’s Day. Have I ever pressed charges? Of course not! This is just silly. 

I would. I don’t care what anyone thinks.  No one should be treated that way.