Apparently, sleeping eight hours straight in a row is a fairly recent development. As recently as a century ago, people slept in two four-hour chunks:
In the early 1990s, psychiatrist Thomas Wehr conducted an experiment in which a group of people were plunged into darkness for 14 hours every day for a month. It took some time for their sleep to regulate but by the fourth week the subjects settled into a very distinct sleeping pattern.
They slept first for four hours, then woke for one or two hours before falling into a second four-hour sleep.
Sounds like something that happens only in the lab, right? Well apparently, there are hundreds of references to this “segmented sleeping patterns” in the historical record. According to the BBC, “these references describe a first sleep which began about two hours after dusk, followed by waking period of one or two hours and then a second sleep.”
What did people do during this “waking period”?
[T]hese hours weren’t entirely solitary – people often chatted to bed-fellows or had sex. A doctor’s manual from 16th Century France even advised couples that the best time to conceive was not at the end of a long day’s labour but “after the first sleep”, when “they have more enjoyment” and “do it better”.
So basically, a century ago people would sleep for 4 hours, laze around for 1-2 hours while they chatted and had sex, and then sleep for 4 more hours? The 16th Century sounds awesome! Well, except for constant war and famine, high infant mortality, racism, sexism, slavery and the plague.
What is your sleep cycle like… do you take all of your sleep in one go, like a 20th/21st Century type? Or do you break it into two chunks like a true Renaissance Woman?
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My husband and I were just chatting about this. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve slept for like 4 or 5 hours, got up, did some things, and then went back to bed.
Maybe they had it right all along.
Besides, they didn’t start to document sleep problems until we changed things around. I think it’s probably an individual thing too, though.
rose / 934 posts
There’s nothing inherently wrong with our culture’s monophasic sleep schedule, as it works for the way our societies operate. I’ve perused blogs in the past about polyphasic sleep patterns and how it just does not work for the normal person, and could even lead to cognitive issues if you aren’t able to keep up with a specific schedule. Biphasic sleep can be beneficial to those who find it hard to get enough sleep at night to feel properly rested, but this does not involve sleeping two 4-hour periods close together; you sleep for ~6 hours and then take a nap for no longer than 90 minutes in the middle of the day. Sleep is cumulative, so you need to get as much sleep in a day as your body needs. Once you find an amount that works (naps included if you choose to opt for a biphasic pattern) then you will notice that you wake up feeling rested and that you will have more energy. It’s also about sleeping early enough, preferably before 11pm.
Such a sleep pattern as described in the study/link works because sleep is cumulative, so you are still going to be picking up from where you left off. It makes more sense in our culture to go to bed at a proper time and then sleep for however hours are necessary for your body. I know that if I wake up and stay up when I’ve clearly not had enough sleep, I end up sleeping more than I should and get too much sleep for that day and wind up feeling worse.
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I’m so tired by the end of the day I just sleep it all off.
sunflower / 251 posts
This was a crazy experiment..seems a bit unethical.
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Dear God. Please never try to write/sound smart again.
rose / 786 posts
Interesting.
rose / 786 posts
@Kittyluve@xanga - I dont really see how this is unethical….
rose / 934 posts
@Kittyluve@xanga - Well it’s not putting them in any danger – they are still getting adequate hours of sleep. The only “unethical” thing about it would just be… well there’s really nothing unethical about it that I can really think about. They obviously would have all consented, there’s nothing in such a study that would prove to test them psychologically and emotionally (unless sleeping two 4-hour periods messes with their minds, which would clearly not have been something known beforehand) and they probably weren’t lied to about the purpose of the study. There are clear variables being tested. It would probably have been better to have a number of different conditions though, such as seeing if such sleep patterns worked well for different age groups or both sexes and to see if it matters when you actually go to bed and wake up or if it works better when you go to bed by a certain time. And then compare all that to similar variables set upon people using a normal monophasic sleep pattern, and then to those on a biphasic, ~6 hours at night and a nap in the afternoon.
daffodil / 1525 posts
this reminds me a whole lot of an article from cracked…
lily / 5148 posts
So basically, a century ago people would sleep for 4 hours, laze around for 1-2 hours while they chatted and had sex, and then sleep for 4 more hours? The 16th Century sounds awesome! Well, except for constant war and famine, high infant mortality, racism, sexism, slavery and the plague.
Pretty much what I was thinking. Hahaha
But yeah, I don’t mind sleeping a full 8 hours, anything less than 6 and I’m cranky ;/ so I couldn’t do what they did. I just couldn’t.
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@Kittyluve@xanga - what?! How is this in any way unethical?
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Interesting.
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I have heard about this before.
I fall asleep around 9 or 10 pm. Then I wake up at 2:30 am, 3:30 am, 4:30 am, and I either get up at 5 am or can sometimes sleep to 6:30 am. It makes me miserable. Perhaps I should try getting up for an hour then going back to bed.
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Hmm… this actually makes perfect sense to me, as most nights I find it incredibly difficult to stay asleep all night… Usually I will wake up in the middle of the night (2-3 a.m.) and about half of the time I won’t be able to fall back asleep for a couple of hours. This causes problems because I have to wake up around 5 for work, and I don’t get HOME until around 5 at night, so going to sleep two hours after dusk this time of year just wouldn’t work! In our society it just works better for people to sleep all night, but maybe that’s part of why we have so many issues with insomnia/etc.?
rose / 934 posts
@AbnormalButSane@xanga - Have you tried maybe going to bed later than 9-10? Could be that your body doesn’t need 8 or more hours of sleep and is thus compensating by waking you up. But if you are unable to fall right back to sleep afterwards then it could be making you feel bleh and unrested. Otherwise if you are falling asleep pretty quickly after you wake up (most people do in fact wake up periodically during sleep, quite often, and don’t always remember) then it could be the opposite problem that you need more sleep. Do you sleep in on weekends, and do you feel any better or worse than when you have to wake up for 5-6am? I know that for me I need more sleep, so if I go to bed earlier I can wake up earlier and not feel groggy. But if I don’t get enough or I get too much then I wind up feeling really tired.
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If the 16th century was a century ago, then I’ve majorly lost my mind
rose / 980 posts
@Kittyluve@xanga - I’m sure they got paid for it. I’d get paid to be plunged into total darkness for a bit just to see what happens. lol
hydrangea / 89 posts
I typically sleep for 4 hours then wake for two, then go back to sleep for four. I used to think it was insomnia, but I read about this last year, and it made me realize that my sleep pattern might be normal. Usually when I wake up, I read, play a game on my phone or kindle fire, pray, or fantisize.
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I think I’d actually prefer two chunks of sleep like that, I think I’d get more done.
Cause I will literally sleep for 9-10 hours, do stuff, but then want to nap again.
My body just loves sleep apparently. .
sunflower / 251 posts
@ashleynicole - @daydreams_nightmares@xanga - @TiredSoVeryTired@xanga -
I mean sure they agreed to it because they wanted money, but compensation does not automatically make something unethical. I feel like it might drive some people crazy in this kind of experiment.
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i do similar to this all the time. i’ll take a maybe 3 hour nap, get up, do stuff, then go to bed for 4-5 hours
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I tend to wake up frequently throughout the night. I’d prefer to just get all my sleep in at once though, and not be constantly disrupted by the fact that I’m a light sleeper. And I don’t think I’d enjoy the break in between. Once I’m awake, I’m awake.
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Read this on an article.
Apparently, this is only ONE of the other basic things that we human are doing wrong – like pooping, brushing our teeth, bathing, breathing, having babies, and sitting lol
rose / 934 posts
@Kittyluve@xanga - They were still getting an adequate number of hours of sleep per day – it was just divided into two blocks that weren’t even that far apart in time from one another. If anyone had experienced any cognitive or emotional problems then the study would have been called off, or if it was just one or two people then those individuals would have been relieved. And ethics boards are very strict now about what is allowed for studies. This is really not at all unethical. Had they been asked to not sleep at all, then perhaps, because that clearly puts them in risk of health complications, and such studies could probably be done on rats. You wanna talk unethical? Look up the Stanford Prison Experiment, quite unethical by today’s standards! I mean, they had to call off the whole study after like, a week or less because the subjects got into their roles way too much and it led to quite a number of psychological breaks from the subjects.
rose / 934 posts
@pain2beauty@xanga - Ironically enough I find that I get that desire to nap when I’ve slept for too long when my body was not compensating for lack of sleep from previous nights. So if I had gone to bed early every night for a week and slept well and then on the weekend I slept in quite a bit, then there’s a good chance I’ll get sleepy during the day. I also get this if I go to bed way too late, even if I slept for ~8 hours that night. I’m so bad with my sleep schedule!
sunflower / 251 posts
@ashleynicole - Oh yes I am aware that there has been much more unethical experiments in the past, although we did learn a lot from them. It’s just if it were me, I might go crazy if I had to stay in the dark for 14 hours a day for a month!
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as long as i don’t wake up before 8am, i’m good.