According to the Daily Telegraph, a 30-something British man just gave birth to a son, after taking hormones to “reverse the effects of his female-to-male sex change treatment.” This has happened before (Thomas Beatle, shown above, is a famous example), but it’s the first time this has happened in Britain.
There’s been a lot of confusion about exactly how “male pregnancy” works, so a quick primer on this case:
- A woman decided to become a man. The most common reason for this is “gender identity disorder,” in which someone identifies with the opposite sex and experiences “discontent with their biological sex and/or the gender they were assigned at birth.”
- She had sex reassignment surgery. Her genitals were reshaped, but her ovaries and uterus were left intact.
- She now identified as a man, and appeared to the world as a man. At this point, she probably changd her name to a male name. (From now on, we will use male pronouns.) He underwent hormone replacement therapy as well.
- He wanted to have a child, and so he consulted his doctors and stopped his hormone replacement therapy.
- Because he still had a uterus and overies, he was able to carry a child. Sperm was provided by someone else (either a donor or his partner, if a biological male), and he became pregnant.
- He then gave birth to the child, most probably through c-section (although possibly a natural birth, depending on how the sex reassignment surgery was done).
Basically, someone born as a biological woman decided to get pregnant and have a baby. Pretty straightforward, right? Not according to some “medical ethicists” quoted in the Daily Telegraph article:
Josephine Quintavalle, of Comment on Reproductive Ethics, said there needs to be a proper inquiry in to the issues surrounding these births.
“We have to sit up and consider these things,” she said. “I don’t think it is in the interests of the child to distort nature this way. We are prepared to do anything possible to fulfil the rights of the adult.
“But I think it is at the expense and rights and welfare of the child.”
Trevor Stammers, director of medical ethics at St Mary’s University College, London, said: “You are hardly going to end up with a baby that’s going to have a happy, productive and optimal childhood.”
I also read some comments that the child is likely to be confused growing up. (Many people cited similar reasons for opposing same-sex marriage). But in real life, many people who undergo sex reassignment surgery then go on to marry someone of the traditional opposite sex. So in this case, it’s entirely possible (and even probable) that the female-to-male transgender man married a woman. So from the perspective of the British kid born to a “male mother”, he is likely to have a mom and a dad. And since the details of the parents’ identity have been kept private, everyone would probably assume he came out of his mother.
And even if the “male mother” has a male partner, so what? The baby will have two parents. That’s more than a lot of kids have these days.
What do you think of the controversy around the first-ever British male mother?
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I don’t understand why people have to make a shit-fest out of nothing.
SO WHAT
IF HE DECIDED TO HAVE A BABY?! The act of him having a child is not harming ANYBODY.
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It’s the same half-assed argument they try to make when gay couples want to have a kid. If the child grows up with “different parents” it’s not going to look so weird to them. It’s the outside of the family that might cause problems but even if you don’t understand transgender you at least have to accept that they exist and there is no reason to not respect them as a human being. You can’t back down on what makes you happy and doesn’t hurt anyone else just because of the backlash you and your family might face. It will only make you stronger and the more examples of happy transgendered families, the better.
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Uhh interesting story
daffodil / 1601 posts
I’m amazed at how weak people think children are. They aren’t stupid. They ask PLENTY of questions when something doesn’t quite make sense to them and they aren’t afraid of learning something about the world they live in.
I found bullshit like the stork 1000x more confusing than sperm+egg but I bet you’re not going to hear anyone stop peddling that crap anytime soon. When I was a kid I was even confused about how mom and dads had babies, so I could imagine how I would of had trouble with mom and mom, dad and dad, or dad who is mom, ect. But that’s because adults were telling me nonsense folk tales instead of facts. How about we stop lying to children and give them age-appropriate biology lessons instead?
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People just like to cause trouble over nothing. Who cares if he’s having a baby? As long as the child has loving parents and a supportive home, nothing else should matter.
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I totally agree with you. It isn’t our business. We should love everyone.
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I don’t like it, seems unnatural and confusing. BUT meh. Not my life.
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what you said about a woman having surgery to become a man is true especially for the guy in the picture. he has scars under his breasts where they used to be since he had them removed. the only reason hes considered a man is because of the way he feels of course, but mainly now because he has a penis, which is from surgery. but he still has the parts he was born were born with, lady parts.
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It is HIS life.
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C’mon bigots, even God took a day off.
sunflower / 413 posts
Seriously, when an actual man gives birth, then it can be news.
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I don’t think it would be THAT hard to explain to a kid.
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I’m concerned about the genetic/epigenetic effects of hormone treatments on the eggs and uterine environment. Even if they were stopped to enable him/her to become biologically female, the effects might last longer than anticipated.
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I am all for equal rights, etc.
But I just don’t understand…SHE wanted to be a man. Then HE wanted to have a kid.
I just. I don’t even….
sunflower / 264 posts
@whiteblackgray@xanga - My thoughts exactly.
dahlia / 2747 posts
waiiiit, he JUST gave birth?! i thought they conceived liek 2 years ago.
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i know it’s his life, and that’s exactly why he chose to become a ‘he.’ there should be boundaries. women give birth, through a vagina, as a woman, with a man, and his fucking sperm. why can’t it all be natural anymore? a transvestite giving birth, he or she is just asking for controversy.
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@BucketFullOfShyte@xanga - nothing’s natural anymore. Birth control, condoms, plastic surgery, McDonald’s, fast food, cars, most of our clothes, plastic…none of that is “natural” yet we use all those things everyday without any major controversy. But someone having a baby is suddenly the weirdest thing in the world?
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Usually it’s not the type of “controversy” I like to get into because I find my view on this and mostly same sex marriage is the same ; if two consensual people are happy together, who are we to stop whatever they want to do?
But I love the last line in the article. they are going to have two parents and. That’s more than what some children have. That’s so true.
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Wake me up when the child’s actual rights are violated… until then those folks are just busybodies.
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That *does* sound like something I’d have a pretty hard time telling my child, but kids seem to take these kinds of ‘revelations’ really well as long as it’s explained to them well, so it’s not a big deal to me unless the parents are unfit / there’s something biologically wrong with the child due to hormone therapy, etc.
Also – if it’s happened before, seems like there’s only controversy because it happened in Britain.
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Well, congrats to him and his family!
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She’s not a guy. She’s still a woman. It’s not a guy having a baby.
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He has the proper equipment, he has the ability to get pregnant. Is it that hard for people to wrap their heads around?
I’m sure the kid will have no issues growing up. If they explain it to the child simply when he/she asks questions as all children do, he/she will be fine. They can save the complicated explanations when he/she is a little older. And isn’t that what all parents do anyway?
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@Murphy_Rants@xanga - I’m reasonably certain that this much logic in one comment is a violation of Lovelyish’s terms of service.
sunflower / 290 posts
Like everyone else on this planet, I do not have a single memory of exiting my mother’s vagina, so for all I know the same thing could have happened to me. the idea that the kid is going to be messed up and confused by this is ridiculous. the kid will probably never know until he’s old enough and someone tells him
sunflower / 290 posts
@Xbeautifully_broken_downX@xanga - his wife couldn’t conceive and they wanted a baby. even with all the controversy it was probably cheaper and easier than adopting (took my aunt like 5 years and a ton of money to adopt her son). it’s not as though he still wanted that feminine experience (though even so I still wouldn’t have a problem with it) they just wanted a baby and he happened to have the right equipment
cherry blossom / 47 posts
Good for him and his family!
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I see no controversy in this. He lives how he wants to and he wanted a child so he had one with natural child bearing reproductive organs. People just need to mind their own business.
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first question: who is the…umh…father? it would definitely be funny if they had taken a sperm-cell and inserted the wife’s dna, as you do in clones! haha.
anyway, idk why the chid would be “confused”. children of homosexual couples, or adopted children, or children who don’t live with their parents don’t live like most kids either. He/she won’t be confused if the parents explain it well.
Also “unnatural”? so it does not lie in the human nature to help everyone get happy and do what they want? It is unusual but I don’t see what the problem is really. The only concern I would count as valid if it was there is the child’s health with the changed hormones. But it seems to be ok.
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If I had to weigh in, I would think, “If you wanted to have kids, stay a woman” because if you believe you were born in the wrong body, wouldn’t it also feel wrong to carry a child like a woman would? It is very bizzare. It’s their life, whatever, what we say means nothing. I just think it doesn’t make sense, to be “born in the wrong body” but then use the wrong body parts to your own ends. There are lots of children who need homes as well. Adoption should have been first choice. But again, whatever, not my life.
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Well I’m all for equal rights and shit.. And it is his life n body.. And I’m not worried about the kid growing up confused..
What I’m bothered by though.. Is that the whole thing.. Sounds to me like he’s a greedy person. She wanted to be a male. Why? Because she doesn’t identify herself with females. So then why did she want to get pregnant.. Geez make up your mind..
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@asrial86@xanga -
My thoughts exactly!
daffodil / 1601 posts
@asrial86@xanga - @yan_ni@xanga – I can’t speak for the individual or anyone else in a similar position but many don’t view gender as black and white. Gender is a social concept and like most of those constructs no amount of social labeling can explain all the gender affiliations that can possibly exist. Same with sexual orientation. We’ve come up with all these labels and spectrum for describing sexual orientation but again, no number of them can explain or describe all the possible sexualities.
magnolia / 1066 posts
I don’t consider this to be “a man giving birth”. I know he identifies as a man, but the scientific fact is that he still has female reproductive organs. His gender may be male, he may feel male, but biologically, he’s still a woman.
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Distorted was the accurate word to use.
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Why wouldn’t the woman (who chose to stay a woman) be the one carrying the child? Why would anyone want to complicate things and nature even more? When ‘she’ decided to turn her body into a ‘he’- He should have given up the ability to carry a child.
If a woman feels more like a man, and decides to become a man, then fine- none of my business. When men start popping out babies- That’s jacked up.
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No matter what anyone wants to mask that under. That is a wemon that had a child. Not a man.
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this is a really interesting story… and it’s true too! Learning that he was originally a woman killed the suspense for me though. It would have been a lot more interesting if he’d been a male all his life & had somehow gotten pregnant… but anyways… lol..
I guess it’s HIS life, as a lot of comments above state, but I wish he was more decisive. He wanted to be a man, and underwent all the long & strenuous process of surgery, but he also didn’t want to lose the maternal(?) ability that only women have to carry babies, so he got pregnant as a “male”… No offense to anyone, but personally I think that children will be confused enough with 2 mothers or 2 fathers. I can’t imagine what it’d be like to have 1 1/2 mother, or 1 1/2 fathers, not that & especially since gender can’t be divided like that… hmm this turned out to be longer than i intended, haha, but those are all my thoughts.
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Honestly if it’s not abusive to the child then it doesn’t matter the child won’t understand what’s going on for another decade or 2. It will affect a kid more if their parents are in the media for it than if they had been able to live their lives privately.
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A woman that pretends to be a man gives birth. Big deal. Call me when an actual man gives birth, then thats news.
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Why are we making it our business what other people decide to do, and how they decide to fill in their lives. Do people not have a life and worries of their own, that they go on and point fingers at, and judging other people? If the couple in question wants to have a baby, they have all the right in the world to do so, and other people just have to stay out of it, unless the child’s rights and/or well-being are actually violated at some point.