Here in the good old US of A, we’re in the throes of a race for the Republican nomination to run against Barack Obama in November’s presidential election. The latest in the show is a quote from Rick Santorum that, while roundabout, says in no uncertain terms that women are unfit for military service because, like, emotions are like, complicated and stuff.
I do have concerns about women in frontline combat. I think that could be a very compromising situation, where people naturally may do things that may not be in the interest of the mission because of other types of emotions that are involved. And I think that’s probably—you know, it already happens, of course, with the camaraderie of men in combat. But I think it would be even more unique if women were in combat, and I think that’s probably not in the best interest of men, women, or the mission.
Sic, lovelies! Not that I’m pulling hard to go join the military, but citing emotionality as a valid reason for us ladies to be exempt from service? Should we not be cops, either? What about teachers? Does our possession of a uterus render us unable to be held responsible for knowing right from wrong? I wonder if Santorum got caught up trying to reassure ladies that they wouldn’t get drafted and took it a little too far, or if he really just thinks women are fragile and unable to handle real life… you know, man stuff. And further to the point, Santorum seems to be insinuating not just that women are too boo-hoo for the front lines, but that they’d be a burden to the men trying to do their job. Because we’re so needy. Or is it because we look so hot in those gender-neutral uniforms that men just can’t think straight — because they are straight, of course — since they’re just sex-minded dogs and all. Which is it, Rick?
Politics is way uglier than we will likely ever know, but the thought that this is the cleaned up version of everything — that what we’re hearing is actually only the tip of the iceberg for all intents and purposes, is positively terrifying.
But that’s okay, ladies. Don’t worry. Rick Santorum will keep you safe. At home. In the kitchen. With, like, 80 children. Like it should be. [via Jezebel]
What do you think of Rick Santorum’s view of women complicating frontline combat?
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The woman over Santorum’s left shoulder looks like she’s about to punch someone.
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He’s just an idiot. Not worth a second thought.
To treat a human and the brain as a simple organism is both stupid and ignorant—and not needing an emotional reaction form anyone.
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in the Hurt Locker movie, that one soldier got emotionally attached to the kid, so men can also be overwhelmed or affected emotionally, too, if they let it.
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Women are the best for combat. We are fucking crazy. Fuck with us and you will get your brain splattered on a wall.
I bet any woman on Lovelyish could kick Santorum’s pansy ass.
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A good soldier is one who can completely detach themselves. It’s basic psychology that it’s a whole lot easier for most men to do this, since their brains are compartmentalized, and the functions of the different parts of womens’ brains are a lot more connected. That being said, it’s just typical, and there are always exceptions. Women will usually not make good soldiers because they can’t detach themselves from the situation and be just a soldier. But there are also some women who are made for that type of work and can do it well.
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dumb bitch should set himself on fire.
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@Shadowrunner81@xanga - OMG I noticed that too!
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Apparently Ricky didn’t get the memo that he has lost his right to speak.
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Oh, he’s an idiot. I’m going to be deployed more often than most… and I bet I kick ass.
dahlia / 2382 posts
Dear Dick Santorum: Molly Pitcher, WAVES, WASPs, SPARS & pretty much every woman in service past present & FUTURE works harder than your ignorant pansy ass. Fuck you, go away & stop embarrassing us. Love Mina
sunflower / 320 posts
lol, this argument does get interesting.
sunflower / 320 posts
they do need to make our standards the same though.
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I think all of you completely missed what “other types of emotion” he’s talking about.
Women aren’t allowed in combat units because of the possibility of romantic relationships, which is common among soldiers, but less of a big deal in support jobs.
Brothers also aren’t allowed to serve in the same combat unit because of close familial relationships.
I love, love, love people judging the military who know nothing about it. I mean really, you don’t even attempt to understand, if it’s a Republican, or the military, it’s got to be sexist and wrong and stupid.
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I would love if he won the nomination. He’s so insane, it’s entertaining. Let’s drag it out a little bit more.
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Let me get this straight…women who HAVE served, or are serving worry him.
That must be based on his own EXTENSIVE military experience, of course.
What? He never SERVED?
In that case, Mr Santorum I cordially invite you to take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.
And stop talking about shit you know NOTHING about.
rose / 980 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - I was in the Navy and I’m a registered Republican and I’m pretty sure what Rick Santorum just said about women serving on the front lines is a bunch of crap. But then again I was actually in the military so I understand how it all works. Yes true, there’s romantic relationships to contend with, but those kinds of things can be dealt with in various different ways. There’s a ton of issues that present in the military, some of them mostly stupid male issues but we still let the men serve where they want.
rose / 980 posts
@galadrial@xanga - He’s talking about the “front lines” or combat here. I don’t think he means women in the military just women serving in combat. Technically, women can’t serve in combat in the military.
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@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - That doesn’t seem to have kept them from being killed.
And I repeat…he has never served.
Normally, the vets would be out of their minds about a civilian saying anything about those who have..but on this one, they are strangely silent.
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@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - And thank you for your service.
(Sincerely meant.)
rose / 980 posts
@galadrial@xanga - Oh, and thank you.
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@galadrial@xanga - Oh, I know… that’s why I said technically women can’t serve in combat. It’s happened. I think a few female fighter pilots have flown combat missions, plus various women caught accidentally in combat who then have to fight.
The vets remain silent because most vets are males and agree with him.
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Chauvinist pig.
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He should probably talk to people in the military about that first then, bc i am pretty sure there are some extremely successful military women, my Senior chief for starts?
Complete idiot.
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I don’t care how the military is run. To exclude a whole fucking gender because you can’t come up with a better way to deal with an issue IF it even comes up is lazy and sexist. They don’t let just any man go into the military and it should be the same for women. But if you want to go and you’re good enough to fight in combat, regardless of your gender, you should be allowed to go. The “overly-emotional” bullshit doesn’t fly anymore. I know a few women including myself who can turn their emotions on and off with no problem. Death also doesn’t bother me. I am not even close to being considered a sociopath but I’ve been learning to control my emotions for years. We do exist. So everything he says is just ignorance and excuses.
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i sincerely hope he wins the nomination. Obama will slaughter him in a single debate. not to mention, i want a bumper sticker that has the new definition of “santorum” printed on it
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He just knows that me on my period + gun will equal world devastation.
ranunculus / 3457 posts
He’s never met a pissed off woman then…. especially a pissed off mom protecting their kids.
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@pnigophobicpk@xanga - Ehhh I don’t think it’s psychology so much as it’s sociology that raises boys and men to compartmentalize their emotions and detach themselves emotionally from situations. It’s a function of how they are raised, not of their biological make up, as you stated there are exceptions. I double majored in both in college and sociology makes more sense to me in this case- there really aren’t that many differences biologically in the male and female brain at birth- the differences noted in youth and adulthood are generally a product of the way they are treated by society (parents, teachers, etc) based on their gender.
rose / 786 posts
I agree with him…
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fuck this guy
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Lols. Just lols.
magnolia / 1054 posts
wow… really? I went in for the EOD challenge and passed it when people doubted me. He’s such an idiot
sunflower / 264 posts
@P0RCELA1N_D0LL@xanga - Good point.
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Man, this guy…I have no more words for this guy. None that are fit for the public space.
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this man is UNBELIEVABLE. ughhhh.
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@WaitingToShrug@xanga - I completely agree. To add to that, most men are just hardwired/raised to protect women and that may bring about dire consequences depending on the situation. Also, let’s face it, a man that is shot in the face will be better received upon homecoming than a women. I hate saying that, but unfortunately that is true.
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haha good post. it’s pretty obvious that some women are too emotional to make war a serious effort and furthermore fight in combat. but as always, there’s another side to it, and thousands of women who would do a substantial job. he’s looking at it scientifically, just saying it completely idiotically.
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This is an idiotic stance to take and a moronic opinion to hold. So, it’s right up Santorum’s alley. Frothy Mix is a tool and a bigot. He doesn’t deserve the White House and even if he does manage to make the GOP nomination (which I still don’t think he has a snowball’s chance in hell for doing, despite his recent wins) he still won’t have a chance at the White House.
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@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - I think you mean the original definition. The only definition.
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@BucketFullOfShyte@xanga - Let me fix that for you.
“haha good post. it’s pretty obvious that some [people] are too emotional to make war a serious effort and furthermore
fight in combat. but as always, there’s another side to it, and
thousands of women who would do a substantial job. he’s looking at it
scientifically, just saying it completely idiotically.”
It doesn’t matter what gender or sex someone is. Everyone is equally capable or incapable of dealing with the stresses of war.
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ah, Lyudmilla Pavlichenko, I think it’s a good time to pull out the old sniper rifle on a few more than outdated notions.
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@Mangonese@xanga - ha! indeed. don’t get me wrong.. i’m not 100% Obama. but i’ll take a mediocre liberal over a hardcore conservative any day of the week.
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I can’t take this little man seriously.
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yes it already happens. Because some PEOPLE aren’t made for this. In my opinion men and women should be treated equally there, but no one should be forced to do it. Instead, every young person could be involved in a year of community service or something alternatively. (don’t be smart-assy with me, I have no clue about the american law there tbh, I’m just sayin’). The women and men who decide for this will know if they can handle it. Ok you can underestimate a situation, but seriously, why would someone decide for this if such situations are so hard for them. I can’t and I wouldn’t do it. perhaps (ok probably) there’s a tendency for women being generally less “skilled” there which would naturally lead to them being less in numbers, just like there are less men who are pre-school teachers.
BUT YOU CANNOT GENERALIZE, and disregard those who are “untypical” for their gender, and want to do this. Facepalm.
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I despise Santorum, but I think you are not understanding his quote correctly. I believe the idea is that men and women grow attached to each other in a way that would make one want to show his/her courage in front of the other and behave differently than they otherwise would. So it is one thing to think someone like Santorum is a douche for policies he holds, it is another to hate him for something you think he said that he didn’t. Him sucking as a candidate for president should already be plenty of crystal clear through policies he supports.
peony / 1 posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLqck8IeEIw if you want to hear exactly what Rick Santorum actually said. I’m not Santorum fan however I’ve been in the military and served in Desert Shield/Storm. There is much “down” time in combat situation and for mostly obvious reasons there are lots of emotions going on when people are sent to serve there country in a high risk environment…which not always…but certainly can lead to relationships which is what I heard Santorum say…I did not hear him say that women are too emo. Quoted from above…”people naturally may do things that may not be in the interest of the mission because of other types of emotions that are involved” This was not DIRECTED at women specifically. The problem w/men-women relationships is that they have the potential for pregnancy and for biological reasons…that is ultimately a woman’s issue and a serious problem for anyone trying to figure out how to make it appropriate for women to be allowed into a combat mission–even if women were made to meet same physical standards as men which at the moment is not the case. Would it be mandatory that they have to take some birth control method? What is that against their faith? I don’t know what the statistics are, but the women who come home pregnant is a real issue for the military. So, the military just spent our tax dollars on who knows how much training for this soldier to fight and now they can’t for 7 to 9 months???? Heck, the war might be over by then?
Just my thoughts.
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@posterofagirlxx@xanga - You should watch this if you actually believe that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70
There are plenty of differences between the brains of men and women. It seems obvious to me. It’s the fantasies of feminism that try to tell us differently, and it’s doing a disservice to everyone that they promote these lies. (Including transgendered people)
Sure, environment and “nurture” have something to do with it. But anyone who disregards nature entirely like the “gender researchers” in that documentary, are morons IMO. They shouldn’t even be talking about gender if they don’t even know the basic facts about gender. In fact, they discourage any sort of research being done on the topic of brain differences. It’s too taboo and not politically correct enough or some shit.
Anyways… Rick Santorum is a dumbass and should never be listened to by anyone. He, like most politicians, is a few french fries short of a happy meal.
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Hmm..this reminds me of the term ‘hysterical” which actually derives from the word hysteria which is:
(n.) A nervous affection, occurring almost exclusively in women, in which the emotional and reflex excitability is exaggerated, and the will power correspondingly diminished, so that the patient loses control over the emotions, becomes the victim of imaginary sensations, and often falls into paroxism or fits.
Pretty much what that is ^ is a bullshit excuse to “explain” an emotional overload in a woman. Mind you it’s only in women, since we’re the “weaker sex.” /heavy sarcasm.
Shit, it seems like no matter what..there are people in the world who are going to try to demote & degrade women based purely on crap theories. Sure, war is hard..& women are more emotional about things then a lot of guys..whatever. That doesn’t mean in combat we can’t hold our own. Single/young mothers, young women rising in the ranks in male dominated work fields..girls pushing through schools all over the world..it happens EVERY DAY. Every day each woman somehow is holding her own. In war or not, I think if a woman has the stamina & is able to detach her emotions she should be in front line combat. After all, if he’s so worried about women & our “emotional” issues..what about all the soldiers coming back from wars with PTSD? On some profound level the war affected the MALES did it not? Somehow a lot of MALE soldiers weren’t able to detach their emotions enough to not suffer from PTSD.. So really, hiding behind this “Women are emotional therefore shouldn’t be allowed in the front lines” is a bunch of bullshit.
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@lilblucherrygrl@xanga - Well said! I agree.
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I’m sure he’d be horrified to know how many times I and my female wingmen have had to cover the asses of males in the unit.