This video of a 22-year-old man named Jefferson Bethke went viral for a reason — reasons that had nothing to do with your creed or lackthereof. This is a man who managed to articulately and concisely give insight into his own religious virtues while challenging you to question your own. I myself am not a member of any religious denomination, the fact is you don’t have to be for Bethke’s spoken word poetry to deeply resonate with you, and maybe even change your perspective on the notion of God, Jesus, man and religion.
The night Jefferson Bethke, 22, posted his ‘Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus’ video on YouTube, he made a bet with his roommates about how many views the video would get by morning. ‘The lowest bet was 1,000 and the highest bet was 6,000,’ Bethke said in an interview. By the time Bethke woke up the next day, the video had more than 100,000 views. Eight days after the video posted, it has been watched more than 14 million times.
[via Washington Post]
To see someone of Bethke’s age, talent and I’ll say it, good looks, addressing organized religion and speak about it so profoundly is astonishing. The fact that not only Bethke has created something like this but that so many millions have been captivated by his words and driven by their own questions and skepticism is incredible, especially among members of his generation.
How do you feel about what Bethke is saying in this video? What is your perspective as a religious or non-religious individual?
daisy / 617 posts
I think he hit the nail on the head, and that’s why so many people appreciated the video.
orchid / 158 posts
I’m tired of raising hell about his awful piece of rot gut propaganda.
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@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - Are you kidding me?? This is genius. I saw it awhile back (like a week ago haha) and was amazed. This Is my exact feelings. Christians hide behind religion that hides behind bullshit rules they all made up in a room one day. Yeah the Bible is great. But NOT TO CONDEMN OTHERS WITH. We are not to condemn or convict, but to love and nurture. This video is amazing. If you really loved Jesus, you would understand the heart of his message.
orchid / 128 posts
I hate this guy so much for another one of his videos about abstinence when he treats rape and consensual sex as the same idea. I can’t even listen to his other videos.
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@GorgeousNightmaree@xanga - Christianity encompasses a number of religions, and they are all different from one another in some way. So that’s quite a statement to say about one of the world’s leading religions. I’m an agnostic-atheist. I don’t condemn their beliefs or what their beliefs are based on. And Christianity/related religions and all religions take decades to really find their basis, and are carved out further over centuries.
Many people choose to follow religion for their own reasons, and I’m not going to say anything about those who do. Your comment comes off moderately hypocritical imo. You are also overgeneralizing far too much. Are there some people who use religious beliefs as a basis for their behaviour and as a means of justifying it to themselves and others? Sure. This could be said about any religion, not just the ones that claim to believe in Jesus or that he was an actual “magical” person if you will (I do not deny that he was an actual real person, because there’s apparently enough written evidence from different sources to make that quite likely). But there are also those who act in these ways without being affiliated to any type of religion. Some look to religion for guidance, as you would when looking at others around you to determine how you want to behave and what is appropriate. And religion can be a great way to communicate with others with similar values and can make figuring out your own path in life easier than if you were simply blindly going along trying to find people with similar moral compasses.
orchid / 158 posts
@GorgeousNightmaree@xanga - Religion is all about worship. This video tries to redefine religion as hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is hypocrisy and is a testament to man’s ignorance. Religion is a testament man reaching out for God and God reaching back.
There is not one single truth in the video. It is 100% falsehood.
rose / 937 posts
Can I just say, I don’t think that those of us who are non-religious (and also probably non-spiritual, but that’s not as important) really have the right to say anything about the workings of religion. I went to catholic school for 7 years. A few of my family members are religious and spiritual. I am neither, so I can’t really say what religion and spirituality means to them or to the entire world. I think everyone should just remember that your own opinions aren’t universals, be them pro or against religion. Take what you want from other’s opinions and beliefs, but don’t bash or condemn them and the beliefs themselves.
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This kid… smh.
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http://www.revelife.com/758326981/a-response-to-quotwhy-i-hate-religion-but-love-jesusquot%E2%80%A6/
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@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - Oh, hold the phone. We got the expert here!
orchid / 194 posts
I pretty much agree with what he says in this video. However, the rhyming kind of annoys me. Still, it’s a great video.
orchid / 158 posts
@blackspiders@xanga - That’s the thing. You don’t need to be an expert to understand the meaning of simple words.
This video would only have meaning for people who have no idea what religion really is.
Thus your need for ridicule. Not one person I’ve seen has been able to logically argument why this video is valid. All arguments so far are not much more than emotional and self righteous proclamations of approval.
That’s because the video itself is a self righteous proclamation that appeals to emotion.
lily / 5148 posts
@ohveryoung@xanga - I think so too.
daisy / 617 posts
@Xbeautifully_broken_downX@xanga - I love you
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@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - I’d say religion is far from a simple word. The connotation and context of it has changed drastically over the course of history. In many ways the hypocrisy of unLoving Christian churches throughout the years has worked to pervert the meaning of religion (which once seemed to be understood in a much purer sense).
Judging by how well the message of this video was received by millions of people, I’d imagine I’m not the only Christian who feels the word religion has acquired a bad taste and a negative connotation. I think this poem is more than clear on the fact that when it mentions “religion” it is talking about the hypocritical aspects of religion, the pride-fueled judgment, the lack of Love, mercy, and obedience to the teachings of Jesus that is so often found within the religious groups.
The truth is Jesus did rebuke this type of religion, and very vehemently, and it is that kind of religion that this video is clearly condemning. To say that this video is 100% falsehood is an exaggeration which seems to betray the notion that your disagreement with this is entirely emotional-based, and that emotion stemming from having completely misunderstood the message in the first place.
Unless, of course, you too fall among the white sepulchers–a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Such are the perpetrators of hypocritical practices, Satan’s army of “Christians.”
orchid / 158 posts
@dreamwraith@xanga - Religion has always meant the same thing, even in pagan religions: praise and worship of the deity.
The Left wishes to destroy Christianity so it commandeers the language and redefines it according to need.The intent of the video is to associate the world “religion” with hypocrisy.
There has never been a time in human history when religion was ever associated with hypocrisy. Religion has always been associated with virtue.
As you can see, this video is trying to lead the ignorant and simple minded into believing that religion means the exact opposite of what it really does mean.
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@ohveryoung@xanga - D’awwwwwwww! The feeling is totally mutual.
<3
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Wow, that was beautifully said… even though I am not a Chirstian.
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Why is this on Lovelyish??? Shouldn’t it be on Revelife? I am confused.
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I really liked it!
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Not really into his rhyming style, but I agree with his message. That is why I no longer go to church. Too much hypocrisy, negativity, and intolerance for differences. Being raised as a Christian has instilled properties such as honesty, good-will, and generosity within me. I feel I have no reason to go to church anymore to remind myself of that and I feel good about the things I practice.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - ”There has never been a time in human history when religion was ever associated with hypocrisy.” uhh, huzzah-muh-whut? What about the Catholic sex scandal? What about Westboro? What about the Holocaust? These are all religions who’ve had associated themselves with hypocrisy or are victims of. All religions state to hurt your fellow man is to commit sin and goes against practice, yet many Believers have claimed lives because the Bible or Torah or the Koran or other books say to.. Well? There is hypocrisy in religion. But you know what, that is OKAY. Religion is an invention of Man. We are all hypocrites and to some extent, “being self-righteous” is okay too. In a way, we are our own ”God”. I mean look at the things we’ve created and the things and people we’ve destroyed. ”Religion has always been associated with virtue.” I agree with you, but somehow people seem to percieve virtue differently and the message is to ”kill” off people or do them wrong in some way if they don’t believe the same thing. I despies religion, but I love and choose life.
orchid / 158 posts
@riot_as_rain@xanga - Associating pedophilia with Catholicism is exactly the same kind of reasoning demonstrated by this video.
There is no connection between pedophilia and Catholicism just as there is no connection between religion and hypocrisy.
Pedophilia happens and so does hypocrisy. Blaming such things on a particular religion or religion in general is more akin to bigotry than anything else.
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@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - I agree now with what you’re trying to say. Religion today is so much different than what it initially started. I still think there is hypocrisy in relgion and I’m not just saying its the Bible or the Koran or the Torah and I’m not going to state passages because….it’s a really controversial/ touchy subject. Thank you for clarifying….
orchid / 158 posts
@riot_as_rain@xanga - Religion is all about worship of God. People go to church and see hypocrites because all they see is their own hypocrisy reflected in everyone around them.
If you look for the good in people it isn’t hard to find, either.
Catholicism is just as much about worshiping God today as it was 2000 years ago. Phonies and hypocrites were part of church life during Saint Paul’s time just as they are today.
There is nothing new under the sun.
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@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - hmm, I guess I have problems with people, rather than religion itself. hahaa i guess I have some reflecting to do. And you’re right, looking for the good in people is hard to find and I’m an avid searcher. Thanks for the revelation. “There is nothing new under the sun” -never heard that one before.
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this is really good.
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@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - Religion : 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose
of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman
agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and
often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
That is one dictionary definition of religion. Of course, anyone familiar with the complexity of semantics knows that there are few words that mean exactly what the dictionary defines them as. Words can be given certain connotations. They can be used in certain contexts. The meaning of any word can change based on these things. What we have to consider is the message and what meaning the speaker is attempting to convey.
Nothing in the video condemns religion where it is in its pure and rightful state, but only where it is riddled with the same things Jesus condemned in the Jewish religion of his day. Would you defend those things? Because if that is the religion he condemns, that is the religion you defend. You also don’t make much effort at making any distinction–religion is an extremely general word, exactly which religion are you defending? He makes it clear by the examples he gives that he is talking specifically of the Christian religion when and where it ignores Christ’s commandments and the grace and Love of God. He gives a contrast and if a man’s religion is Christ-centered in that way, how could he still condemn it? And if it is not Christ-centered, but full of pride and judgments, it already stands condemned by itself.
orchid / 158 posts
@dreamwraith@xanga - Your definition of religion had nothing to do with hypocrisy. No matter how you slice it religion =/ hypocrisy.
And this video is a sham.