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This is sad.

To her credit..she is only 14…and she is probably spouting things she’s heard from her parents and others around her. It is in our nature to be wary of things we don’t understand. It doesn’t sound like she really hates them, she is just uncertain and worried about something happening to her. With a little encouragement and exposure, she may possibly see the other side of things. 

It’s sad, but she is only young. Maybe she’s not comfortable sleeping over and camping out with someone who’s physically male? That’s kind of understandable at that age.

It’s probably past the time when we should just join boy scouts and girls scouts and go coed. Civil air patrol does it and it seems to work fine for them.

“I’m
not 100 percent sure of what the logic is, but apparently, this
14-year-old girl feels that allowing transgendered boys into the Girl
Scouts disregards many of the Girl Scouts safety rules and regulations.”

She’s 100% wrong. According to the Girl Scout rules and regulations, boys may join Girl Scouts. They don’t even have to identify as female. I was a girl scout for 12 years, my mother was a troop leader for two troops and she confirms this. So…she’s kind of wasting her time, as it is allowed. And I seriously doubt anyone is going to give up their beloved Thin Mints over this. XD

@oledphatnuglee@xanga - Right now the Boy Scouts have the “Adventure Scouts,” which is where they stick the girls who want to join. However, one of my sister’s friends who is a Boy Scout says there has been talk of just going coed. I wonder where that will put them on the whole “gays in scouting” issue. lol.

I was actually a Girl Scout from age 9 to 17 (yup yup :]), and from my experience, it wasn’t so much about how girly or not girly a Girl Scout was as it was about just making friends and going on trips and volunteering… it revolved more around common interests, being independent, and growing up… not so much about what body parts define a girl or woman. 

Age and level of exposure seem to be lacking for this girl… and with the whole puberty phase, I think that at one point or another we were all sort of wary about gender, sexuality, body changes, etc… so yeah as much as I disagree with her, I do get where the girl’s coming from. 

If this girl sticks around to continue onto her Gold Award in high school, she’ll learn that the bigger picture is volunteering and being more open minded… it’s less about the cookies so her boycotting won’t do too much.

@EJC102486@xanga - If you just go coed that only solves some of the issues but it would save quite a bit on financial overhead and would also take care of the problem of lack of volunteer help from parents. Other problems like dividing of shower buddy groups and pup tent buddies either strictly by “body parts” or “feelings” is bound to creep in no matter how we handle it. I can’t imagine even the most liberally minded parents being completely comfortable with opposite sex kids showering and or sleeping together with each other much less with adult men and women who are transgendered so that can of worms would still need dealing with.

I was totally in support of her position until I realized that she didn’t want transgendered scouts selling cookies. Now I’m actually going to go buy a box just to mock her stance.

Yeah… no, I’m going to keep buying yummy Girl Scout cookies.

@oledphatnuglee@xanga - On the other hand though…consider camping trips. You can’t put boys and girls in the same tent…so even if your troop only has 6 people (common in girl scouting, less so in boy scouting from what I understand), you still have to purchase, carry, and set up an extra tent. And if it’s say, 5 boys and I girl, that kinda sucks for the girl that has to be all alone all night. That, and troop leaders/chaperones would pretty much have to sleep in shifts to prevent late night visits between boys and girls. From what I’ve heard, this is a common problem in the Adventure Scouts. I can see how coed scouting is a bit impractical. There would definitely need to be guidelines, such as having a certain number of each gender in a troop, and having chaperones of both genders as well. Either that or the troop would have to split along gender lines and go to different campgrounds for camping trips, which defeats the purpose of going coed in the first place.

I just think it’s funny that the Boy Scouts are considering going coed, with all the issues that entails, but they consider gay men in scouting unacceptable.

I’ve never eaten Girl Scout cookies. 

@EJC102486@xanga - I think you missed that part of my last response because I said basically the same thing you did. If society wants to fully embrace gender neutralality then we also have to do away with the “can’t”. If Johnny believes she’s Jenny then why can’t Jenny sleep with, shower with and dress with the other “girls”? …and if Johnny/Jenny can sleep with and shower with the other “girls” why can’t Tommy do it too just because he wants to even if he still feels like he’s a boy? We can’t exactly offer special treatment only to certain boys or girls just because of sex or gender right? So we either toss all the kids in together and do away with gender seperation entirely or we seperate based on anatomical differences only. Even then you do have those rare kids who have both sets of genitalia. So the only way I can see to be completely ”fair” to everyone and discriminate against no one is to go gender neutral and make no distinction or seperations whatsoever not for bathrooms not for showers not for bunk buddies or for anything else. I don’t imagine many parents will go for it though. Even I probably wouldn’t be entirely comfortable with it.

@cherrysakura88@xanga - That’s terribly sad… I suggest you remedy that right away.

That’s weird, when I was in girlscouts we never were taught how to be insensitive bigots. Must have been sick on that lesson day.

she’s just jealous that these transgendered kids make for hotter girls than she does.  

Sorry. Still buying me some peanut butter patties. Nothing would make me boycott those lol

You know, the saddest part is that it’s probably not even her opinion. It’s probably how her parents feel, forced upon on her and indoctrinated into her until she cannot think for herself. Awful.

@EJC102486@xanga - Why can’t boys and girls sleep in the same tent? Because society tells you it’s inappropriate? There’s nothing wrong with a little boy and girl sleeping next to each other in a tent. 

@x__RainOnHerParade@xanga - there’s no way most parents would be okay with that.

that’s sad . 

Love how everyone that disagrees with you is irrational.

@x__RainOnHerParade@xanga -  Its a problem once they hit a certain age. 5 year old girls and boys sharing a tent isn’t a big deal. But once they hit age 11-12 or so and start puberty, then yeah, I feel its inappropriate, and I’m willing to bet most parents probably feel the same way. 

I don’t buy girl scout cookies anyway. They’re too expensive. 

I couldn’t even watch that whole video, because it honestly broke my heart. While I don’t agree with her stance, I don’t think she’s some irrational bigot. I think she’s just ignorant of what it really means to be transgendered (As many teens and even adults are. I know I didn’t start to understand it until last year.)

The Girl Scouts have done a great thing by allowing transgendered individuals to join, but after this I hope that they will take it a step further and start educating their members about what it means to be transgendered and what it means to be a girl apart from biological sex.

In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy Girl Scout cookies.

Will they let me join if I wear a skirt and sweater too?

i’m actually planning on buying cookies because of this!
and also, to be clear, it’s not “transgender boys” because she’s a trans girl. trans boy would mean FtoM.

Looks like I’m buying a few extra boxes of cookies this year. I think transgendered individuals should be allowed to participate in activities for their identified gender. You wouldn’t see a video protest if a transgendered girl wanted to join the boy scouts.

nope. still buying thin mints. and supporting transgendered scouts.

#firstworldproblems #whitegirlproblems

I like those cookies…

Now doubt just a puppeteer for  what her parents have fed her.

I don’t know if anyone else knew this but I remember when my brother was a boy scout, girls could join boy scouts. You didn’t have to be transgendered, you just had to want to. In the same way that girls can join Little League instead of softball if they want to. It’s been around for ages, so NBD.

Holy shit, people are overly sensitive morons. Everyone wants to be treated the same, yet they draw attention to themselves so that they stand out? Idiots.

you lost me when you identified yourself, in direct and intentional contrast to her, as a rational thinker while validating almost ironically(though i’m sure the irony was unintentional) males thinking that they are females. you don’t get to choose your chromosomes and you can’t change them with star mapping and wishy thinking. 

I really wanna go to america and try these girl scout cookies!