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Facebook was first against breastfeeding, and now abortion? I’m so confused.

Honestly people need to read the user agreement before they join FB. FB reserves the right to do whatever the fuck they want. End of story. 

@DrakonFyre@xanga - Hahaha, they certainly do

@DrakonFyre@xanga - YOUR ANIMAL= <3

@DrummingMediocrity@xanga - haha thank you. He’s quite the sweetheart. 

The thing I hate about Facebook’s “right to remove things” is that they’re very selective & it’s not right. They let hate groups, dirty pictures, clubs & all this other stuff that involves hurting people, getting killed, gay bashing & whatnot on there because it’s free speech but something like this & breastfeeding which is helpful to women gets removed.

Facebook at times to me comes off as misogynistic because most of the things I’ve seen get taken off pertain to women. If you’re going to remove things based on user agreement, I can name atleast 20 things that should be removed but are allowed to stay on there. Not only that, child molestors have gotten around blocks to get profiles but I dont see anyone up in arms about that.

@DrakonFyre@xanga - @Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - I think you both make a very good point. On the one hand, Facebook has the right to remove whatever content it sees fit to remove. On the other, they are very clearly biased on a variety of issues, and I feel like, though it is their right to remove content they don’t approve of, they should seek to create a less biased experience for their users.

@Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - @Lost_In_Reverie@xanga - the way I see it, they’re choosing their battles. You legit cannot keep up with the sheer volume of pornographic and violent material on facebook. 

Also, the abortion group had a shit ton more traffic and views than most of these other groups, making it more likely to catch their eye than the multitude of unreported groups. 
Also, abortion for at home? Why is no one talking about how dangerous and incredibly STUPID that notion is? 

Amazing! My kid can’t carry his inhaler or epipen to school because of extreme precautions against illicit drug use, but people get up in arms when someone removes instructions on how to kill the child growing within a woman?  Really?  Did the instructions include what to do when the woman experiences side effects?  Why don’t we also start posting instructions for laypeople to do emergency appendectomies or home vasectomies?  Facebook should’ve stood by it’s guns.

@lightnindan@xanga - You do realize that giving instructions on how to use a drug is not the same thing as giving people the drug, don’t you? Because equating the ban on prescription drugs in school to the removal of information about a legal drug from Facebook the way you have makes no sense at all.

@Lost_In_Reverie@xanga - Thank you, this is exactly my point!

@DrakonFyre@xanga - I do agree it is dangerous to do the abortion at home, not arguement there but some people may not have a choice. We ARE in the land of the free but some people arent free to do what they want because of oppression in various ways. This is why I support Planned Parenthood & other legit free/low cost clinics. The type of abortion listed here is the same as the one PP does (a pill is taken) but you’re monitored, given a set of instructions & you’re told to bring a friend with you for support.

I just hate how womens rights are being so oppressed that they resort to hiding like criminals to feed their babies, at home abortions or back alley shit that gets them killed. Some people mistake womens rights as special rights or trying to be better than men. No it’s about equality. Taking away rights to get healthcare & procedures done safely will result in more deaths from cancers that can be caught early with routines screens provided under insurance & botched abortions attemps.

And yes I also agree the abortion group gets more traffic.

facebook isnt very smart in the way that they removed that add im against abortion but even so face book needs to think before they remove adds there is alot i could pick out on facebook that needs to be removed.

@Doitean@xanga - I think my comparison stands very well.  First the ban in the schools is on any drugs, prescribed or not, even Tylenol or Aspirin.  Second, the use of a legal drug in an illegal way or a way in which it was not intended to be used is problematic in many ways.  What happens when the woman has an incomplete abortion and is not under the care of the doctor? It is also known to increase the risk of certain serious infections if used intravaginally, and to cause possible birth defects if it doesn’t actually stimulate the abortion (it  is only 80% effective).    Not allowing a kid to take a medicine which is approved by his parents and (in the case of prescription) under the care of a physician is extreme caution and allowing the posting of an off label use of a drug for use while not under a physician’s care, which can cause serious side effects for use  even while under the care of a physician is the opposite extreme and is only represented as  mainline because it is associated with a woman’s “right to choose” to kill the child growing within her, a “right” only in the sense that it was granted by government, not in the sense of the God given rights which our founders saw fit to place outside the realm of government interference.  

@lightnindan@xanga - No, you’re still completely missing the point. There is a huge difference between bringing a drug (any drug) to school, and posting information. Your child could bring the directions for his inhaler to school if he wanted; there is no ban on information.

Do you really, truly not see the difference between “This is how you use Cytotec properly:” and “Here’s [a drug] my parents gave me”?

Sounds like a great organization. I think it’s dumb that Facebook removed the pic but it’s not that big of a deal.

And I saved the image for future reference. But of course, research needs to be done so I know it’s not a terrible idea.

Honestly, this organization sickens me. Facebook was out of line, but the fact that this even exists is… appalling. 

I agree with what facebook did and they should have stuck to their guns and not apologized, calling it an “error”.

Private site, their rules.

disappointing.  but it’s a private site.  i just wish they wouldn’t be hypocritical about it.

this is why you have to sign a user agreement before even entering the site. they can do whatever they want… 

i’m against abortion and i don’t think that information should be on the site. it tells women to overdose on pills in order to induce an abortion. if they have access to a store (or even the internet) to buy the pills in the first place, they should at least go to a professional to have an abortion performed. 

@lightnindan@xanga - i couldn’t agree more. maybe there should be images about how overdosing on coricidin can induce hallucinations, hey! get it at the drugstore instead of from the dealers! i don’t think the issue here is abortion, it’s safety for these women. 

A) They shouldn’t remove the photo, in the spirit of freedom of speech.

B) That being said, unlike a public site, theirs is private and it is really up to their discretion.

And with that being said, i don’t believe in abortion in the least.

@Megabyyte@xanga - Yea that’s certainly dishonest. But that’s the status quo. Call it an error. Plausible deniability. Honesty and dishonesty are contagious. Until we more commonly hold honesty to a far higher value in everyday life then we do, such lack of integrity will be weilded heavily all around us.

By the way, facebook doing this does wonders, undoubtably by no coincidence, to draw attention to this very easy way to have a knee-jerk reaction abortion.

@Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - @Lost_In_Reverie@xanga - Why don’t you, as women, boycott Facebook in turn for behaviors by the social network you find offensive and demeaning to women? Is Facebook going to change their ways in the least bit if people keep logging in? It’s all about collecting money for their board in the end, isn’t it?

Before people go haywire on the at home abortion instructions, there are three types of abortions that women can do. It all depends on how far along they are. The at-home abortion where you take the Cytotec is only for women who are less than 8 weeks pregnant. That’s why this organization gave the directions because there’s a very specific way to do it. The other two choices of abortions are mandatory surgical procedures should you decide to get an abortion. I haven’t been on the Facebook page, but it dumb IF they didn’t put the side effects or what is to come once the woman takes the Cytotec (side note: Cytotec is actually intended for people with ulcers, but is also used for abortions). What’s to come would be bleeding and cramps that could be to almost positively severe, & blood clots. Side effects would be nausea, diarrhea, & throwing up just to name a few.

Personally, I think this nonprofit organization is a pretty good idea because they also give the alternative if the girl doesn’t want an abortion, sex education. Majority of places where abortions are banned are the same places where they refuse to teach kids about sex. I’m sure this organization isn’t just throwing the Cytotec around like it’s free candy.

@DrakonFyre@xanga - If you can read my last comment, at home abortions doesn’t sound as stupid as it should. There’s just a lot of detailed instructions and certain precautions before it’s done. Check out planned parenthood’s website; the at home abortion IS a choice. (in no way am I bashing you, just thought I’d inform you because I don’t think many people know about the at hone option)

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - My concern is that this group is targeted toward women who don’t have access to something like Planned Parenthood, who come from a culture and a country where they CAN’T get a legal abortion. Logically, for me, that means that they are also less informed about abortion procedures and that it would be a lot more difficult to explain to them the details surrounding an at-home abortion. People seem to think that because they need to keep it a secret, an at-home pamphlet is a great idea, but in my opinion it’s precisely because the whole thing is hush-hush that it’s a bad idea to just give them a box with instructions and tell them to go ahead and get an abortion with it. There is soooo much room for it to go wrong. Soo much. 

@DrakonFyre@xanga - I’m sure this organization isn’t just a bunch of random people giving the Cytotec away. They’re more than likely giving these women one on one detailed instructions on how to use it. I think they would know better than to just give it to them without any knowledge. Even here in America, sex education and abortion is hush-hush AND abortion is legal here. 

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - True. I guess I’m just saying that I can see why facebook would have a knee-jerk reaction toward this. 

I’m glad. I’m totally against abortion.

I see they forgot to mention the right to life also guaranteed by the U.S constitution. Nobody has the right to decide who should get to live and who shouldn’t, and neither does a mother. It isn’t a “women’s right”– it’s a right belonging to ANOTHER individual. 
That being said, go FB.
Also, wouldn’t her giving information on how to use a drug NOT intended for abortion be like a health violation that could lead to serious health problems later in case many people actually use it? I could also see a safety issue in this. 
And as mentioned in earlier comments: Private website, so shut up.

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - If the directions were posted on FB then no, they are not giving “one on one” instruction. That would defeat the purpose of the photo altogether anyway.

@H2O_mElOnGeEk@xanga - I don’t know anything about this organization except from what I read on this post, but I would think they do since, in the post, it says they travel on boat to places where abortion is banned. I think they know better than to just give it like that. And from skimming through their website, a doctor who knows a lot about abortion and is a pro-choice activist is running it. I don’t think this doctor’s doing just for controversy. Like I said before, even in places where abortion IS legal, it’s still a touchy subject because everyone doesn’t see eye to eye. You’re pro-life from your comment earlier, and that’s fine. It’s hard to ever change someone’s mind about something they believe in so much with any topic.

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - If they have doctors then they have no need to provide people with “do it yourself” instructions on how to abort babies. That’s the problem. Saying it is possible and providing a means of communication so as to create an appointment and do it the right way would be different.

@H2O_mElOnGeEk@xanga -  – If you haven’t yet, I mentioned in my previous comment above that an at home abortion IS a choice abortion clinics offer. Planned Parenthood offers it as well. The woman does it herself, but she does have a doctor instruct her and tell what to do and what to expect. Along with that, they give the woman an instruction guide whatever the doctor just said to them. So it’s not just a “do-it-yourself” for the fun of it kind of thing that many people think. Like I commented before also, even in America where abortion is legal, many people still don’t know anything about abortion or the different ways abortion is done.

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - The photo wasn’t promoting Plan B or something, it was just promoting a random drug. It’s kinda like posting pictures on how to grow weed in case you have a simple head ache. Weed, when it is used for medical purposes, is not used for head aches, and as such no doctor would support such an action.

@H2O_mElOnGeEk@xanga -  – But it’s not just a random drug. Misoprostol, also known as Cytotec, is used for abortion. That’s what all abortion clinics (again, like Planned Parenthood) prescribe to the patient. Yes, it was originally intended for people who have ulcers or arthritis, but the FDA found out it can abort a pregnancy in its first 8 weeks. It’s similar to Viagra in the sense that it was meant for one thing, but they found it to be useful (for lack of bettersomething for something else.

@H2O_mElOnGeEk@xanga -  – Also Plan B isn’t necessarily an abortion pill, but essentially more like a birth control pill (or at least that’s what I heard from Dr. Drew Pinsky on Loveline lol).

Facebook is being ridiculous. That is definitely violating personal rights. 

@H2O_mElOnGeEk@xanga - I see they forgot to mention the right to life also guaranteed by the U.S constitution.  Nobody has the right to decide who should get
to live and who shouldn’t, and neither does a mother. It isn’t a
“women’s right”– it’s a right belonging to ANOTHER individual. 
That being said, go FB.

Have you ever even LOOKED at a copy of the constitution?  What you say is not in there.  Under the Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade, the judge found that the right to privacy implied in the bill of rights includes abortion.  This means that laws banning abortion are unconstitutional.  The decision would have been impossible if the constitution stated otherwise. 

@x_papergirl@xanga - I totally agree with you. There should not be any group or ogranization saying that it is okay for a person to to take as many pill as necessary to kill a child. I am a firm believer agaist abortion.

Newsflash, everyone: Facebook is a private company, NOT the government. They can choose whatever the heck they want to allow.

I know, I know, it’s so pervasive that it SEEMS like a government entity. It’s not though, and since you aren’t forced to use their site, they aren’t forced to “guarantee human rights”. As if not having a picture of do-it-yourself abortion equipment is somehow violating human rights. Or taking away the right to get an abortion.

I am not sure if lovelyish is an appropriate venue to discuss this extremely complex issue.

I think it’s reasonable for Facebook to remove medical advice posted in a context that might seem authoritative. Unlike websites like WebMD that are specifically concerned with the problems of people blindly taking Internet health advice, it’s not practical for them to issue disclaimers on every single page about the hazards of self-diagnosis and the need to seek the advice of a medical professional. A single case where a woman followed the directions and had some unfortunate side effect could open FB to all kinds of complex legal wrangling.

@Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - I agree. They’re not consistent with it at all.

Forget the picture! What about the seroius and dangerous issue of inducing abortions at home?

I know you sign a user agreement & whatever, but unless it’s like blatant nudity or something that they have specified they won’t tolerate, they should just leave it alone because they made it obvious that they have no affiliation with any of the points of view or opinions of their users so when you remove something you don’t like, you’re giving yourself an affiliation. & weren’t they trying to avoid that in the first place?

Anyway, I’m getting a little scatterbrained because the thoughts are coming & going faster that I can write them but basically what I’m saying is, Facebook, LEAVE YOUR USERS ALONE. We put up with numerous ads that cause a horrible lag & the pages to often not work correctly to put money in their pockets, the least they can do is leave us with our opinions.

There’s a reason I prefer xanga.