Like individuals, marriages cannot always be generalized and no two are the same. That said, for a time marriages were usually maintained with a breadwinner/homemaker pattern, and the man held the job and made the money. Though this strict view of marriage has shifted into many different types and set-ups of marriages, one divorce lawyer was surprised by how many women are still dependent on a ’Prince Charming’ and are without an economic leg to stand on should something happen to him.
Margaret Klaw has been a divorce lawyer for 20 years and believes that if a woman finds the ‘Prince Charming’ society has instilled in the culture for years, then great — but one should always have a back-up plan. Writes Klaw:
I completely understand how it happens. A couple meet in college or grad school, get married, work for a year or two, wife gets pregnant, stops working for a brief period, husband’s career builds, wife doesn’t return to work because husband is capable of supporting them both, wife becomes absorbed with the very considerable pleasures of full time motherhood, wife has a second and maybe a third child. Fast forward fifteen years, children are all in school, wife’s job is managing the family and household, husband’s job is to earn all the money, and the marriage falls apart.
Marriage and society has changed drastically over the decades, and though many women of older generations went with the homemaker status quo, the rise of divorce and of the ability for women to be independent have changed the way marriages should be treated financially. ”There is just no question that money is power,” Klaw writes. ”The power dynamic in marriages where one person is financially dependent on the other is dramatically different from marriages where either spouse could pay their own rent if they had to.”
As mentioned before, no two marriages are the same. And there are plenty of female breadwinners these days, too. In view of Klaw’s commentary, I’d say men should also always have a back-up plan in terms of money and job skills. “Unless they are really wealthy, it’s a disaster,” she writes. ”You just can’t divide up one income stream and have it support two households without a significant drop in everyone’s living standard.” [via Huffington Post]
I’m married, and I believe two people can be in a loving marriage until death do them part. My own parents are an example. However, should something happen — and it could be something out of our power like accident, illness, death, etc. — I have my own back-up plan that serves the make-up of our marriage. I’m an idealist who thinks realistically.
What do you say, Lovelies? Do you believe happily ever after exists? And if you do, will you (or do you already) have a back-up plan?
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Good post =)
I am fully prepared to do whatever it takes to get a career with a stable income so I can support myself. Suppose I never even find someone I want to marry someday? I’ll have to live somehow. And I just can’t rely on other people that much, I strive to be self-sufficient.
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@justXforXyou_beautiful@xanga - Agreed! Personally, I really want to accomplish most if not all of my career goals before I even think about marriage or a family. These days you really can’t solely rely on anyone but yourself (financially).
daisy / 501 posts
I am probably completely on my own here, but I really think spousal support needs to go away. Unless you were forced into a non-working role in the household and that same partner forced you out, there really is no excuse for it.
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I live with my boyfriend, but I make more than twice the money he does and I don’t plan on quitting my job any time soon. Even if we had kids I would never stop working except for maternity leave, but then my boyfriend would also take paternity leave, so it’s all the same.
Stay at home mothers are practically non-existent where I live. Everyone works here, so I’m not too worried. I literally don’t know one stay at home mother, come to think of it.
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@chicbananas@xanga - I agree. The notion is outdated.
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I do believe in happily ever after, but I also believe in being smart. I don’t plan on ever becoming a full-time stay-at-home mom, not just for monetary purposes, but for my own development. Even if I did eventually stay at home, I would still be working as a freelance artist at home while I raise my kids. I don’t feel comfortable with the idea of fully depending on someone else, even though I’m 99.9% sure that the only way I would end up alone with my current relationship is if my fiance died in some freak accident. I don’t believe that we’ll ever fall apart, but that’s not a good reason to just become totally dependent on someone.
I think society still puts a lot of pressure on men to be the primary breadwinner or to be more financially powerful than their wives, even while women are expected less and less to be traditional dependent figures. My fiance can’t find a job right now and feels terrible and demoralized about having to depend on me financially, whereas I don’t think I would feel as much societal pressure like that if I were in his position. There are double standards for both sexes.
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I don’t really get the point of this post. He stops short of saying that women shouldn’t be housewives or allow their husbands to support them, but it’s clear that he is, at the very least, warning what could happen if you do follow that path. I think a divorce lawyer is just about the most cynical person you could find to discuss family structure with.
I mean… it’s life. You have to take a path, and follow it. Sometimes it won’t end up the way you want, but is that any reason to not be a SAHM if that’s what you want and what you think is best for your kids?
I am the breadwinner right now, because my husband is college. He contributes, but I am making the bulk of our income. He supported me when we were overseas. When we have kids, I am going to quit my job and be at home with my family. Of course, there is a trade-off, in that I will miss some years of experience in the work force. But again, it’s life. You have to make choices. Doing it all doesn’t often lead to being good at anything.
I’m not sure a lot of people understand the whole “two becoming one” thing when you get married. Or the concept of children needing a parent at home (mom or dad) and the household needing to be run. You don’t need a degree to do it, but it’s still important, and it’s still necessary.
orchid / 176 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - Margaret Klaw, the divorce lawyer quoted here, is stating that because she’s seen so many women who were financially and completely dependent on their husbands get divorced and left somewhat destitute, that more women should have a back-up plan, at least financially. I go on to say that men should also have a back-up plan, since women are also breadwinners (I have several female friends who are engaged/married and make more money than their significant others).
Every marriage is set-up a certain way, I made sure to make clear that I’m not generalizing marriage with this – every marriage is different. Klaw nor myself are saying people should not be stay-at-home parents; it’s just watching out for a future in which the other person may not be around and you don’t have a way to navigate the future financially or as a family.
I agree that running a household is a job; and I’m not looking down on any homemakers. Maybe when my husband and I have children I’ll be a homemaker – but I have my plan if anything should happen to him or to our marriage. It’s simply being realistic that situations could change. In the same manner that I always have at least 3 months of my rent in a savings account for anything that may come up, I have a back-up plan should anything befall us. And I think being prepared for worst case scenarios is a good thing.
Thanks for reading, and partaking in the comments!
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@chicbananas@xanga - Yeah, I have a good friend who graduated from college with honors, earning her bachelor’s degree, and before she was officially graduated she’d already gotten married and pregnant, and now, less than a year after such a big accomplishment, she proudly has listed “Full time Wife and Mommy” as her “job” on Facebook. She doesn’t plan to work. I dunno, it’s just weird. I mean, what was the point of going to school? Just a back-up plan? Marry a dude before you have to graduate and work and get all settled down so he can provide all the money? o_0
daisy / 501 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - I agree with that last bit. Many do not seem to comprehend that when you get married to someone, you are becoming a single unit. You need to be your own person, of course, but getting married is one of the most selfless acts a living person can make, and with that comes giving up a lot of independency. Not only that, but marriages require dependency from both parties. This seems to baffle and outrage a lot of people.
daisy / 501 posts
@blackspiders@xanga - That’s really sad. I hope she is happy doing what she’s doing, but I would not have spent all of that money and worked so hard, only to have my degree collecting dust in the closet. If that was her choice, there’s no way she should get spousal support if they divorce. Put that degree to work!
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@WaitingToShrug@xanga - I don’t think the point is that you shouldn’t stay at home, it’s that if you do, you should think ahead and accept that maybe one day you might be in a tight situation, and know that if that happens, you won’t be helpless. Make a plan B and don’t assume everything will always work out, is what they’re saying.
Also, a divorce lawyer may be cynical, but may also be more realistic than the rest of us. The truth is half of marriages end in divorce, and they know that. They also know that people who believe that their marriage is perfect are not always right and that things sometimes turn ugly. Sometimes we need a cynic, I think.
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@jessicaxmaria - No, I got what you were saying. What I don’t get is why it needs saying. I’m not trying to insult you, I just assumed that most people were aware that life doesn’t always go swimmingly and that they should be prepared. Similarly, you can’t just hold yourself aloof from anything that might hurt, sometimes you have to dive right in to something.
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@emptyabyss@xanga - Yes, I didn’t get the reason for this post because those things seem obvious. That’s why I commented that the lawyer stopped short of recommending that women not stay home.
This is what the post said to me when I read it, “Sometimes, if you make the choice to be a homemaker, you might get divorced and find yourself without support and it will be hard. So try to prepare for emergencies, if you can.” Yes, that’s true, I just thought that everybody knew that. Thought I must be missing something in the post.
orchid / 176 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - I think it needs saying because Klaw herself, who is on the frontlines of these divorces, noticed how many women under 40 did not prepare. She, too, I think took it for granted that this was an issue for older couples of a different generation; if a divorce lawyer is seeing that, I would have to agree that it needs to be said…it’s fantastic that you have a realistic and prepared view of life, but there are those who get into marriage without thinking twice. I wrote about what she said because maybe somebody here will think about it in the future, when they might not have, you know?
You’re right that people can’t tiptoe around life’s hardships! Thanks for the discussion!
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@WaitingToShrug@xanga - Not everybody does get that. Some things need to be said, even though they may seem obvious to others. A lot of people rely on spousal support after divorce, which to me is absurd. It might depend on wether you’re used to seeing stay at home parents around you if you would think of that.
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@chicbananas@xanga - Well, I’m going to quibble a teeny bit about the unselfish part. I know that for me and for my husband, marriage was supremely selfish on both of our sides. That sounds weird, but this is how it is: the reason (one of the reasons) we got married was because we loved the other so much that we couldn’t bear to be without them. Marriage to each other adds a lot of happiness and value to our lives, so in that way, I refer to it as selfish because we did it for our own happiness.
But you’re right, I have seen a lot of outrage from people when it’s suggested that marriage might change them. It seems to be implied that you give up your self if you are dependent on your spouse financially, or what have you. But it’s more complex than that. It’s like that person becomes a part of you, and you’re both a team, fighting together for the well-being of the family. I don’t even know if I’m making sense at this point, so let me just shut my trap and close with this: I really, really like being married, and my husband assures me that he likes it too.
daisy / 501 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - Hahaha, no I see exactly where you’re coming from. I think it can be taken as selfish and selfless at the same time, depending on how you look at it. I am definitely selfish when it comes to not sharing my husband with anyone.
We love being married, too.
daffodil / 1525 posts
Being a stay at home mother/wife seems awesome to me. However, due to a scholarship and disgusting financial aid, I’m grudgingly going to college -_-
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@jessicaxmaria - So here’s a question that just occurred to me: Klaw is obviously mostly seeing women whose marriages failed. Could part of the failure be due to the fact that they aren’t facing the reality of life, thus causing them to be unprepared?
Maybe the fact that they leapt into marriage while ignoring any possibility of anything going wrong, ever, had something to do with the divorce. Vicious cycle?
You’re welcome for the discussion.
magnolia / 1357 posts
I did not become a student at one of the top universities of Latin America just so I could find a husband, get married right after graduating and instantly become a stay-at-home-mom.
I have nothing against being one, it’s just that I would like to use my knowledge, my training and my education for something. I do plan to be a stay-at-home-mom when we finally have kids, and even then I’ll try to work from home, or teach a subject related to Ergonomics/Human Factors while my kids are in school.
I loved the fact that my mom would drive me and my brother to our swim practices, swim meets, that she would take us to our painting classes and me to my dance classes… I would like to have a relationship like that with my own children… but until that happens, I don’t plan to sit around my house doing nothing.
orchid / 176 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - that’s a very astute point! It could definitely be part of the reason why these marriages ended in divorce. Perhaps if the relationship had been more symbiotic and communicative about “what if” scenarios, they wouldn’t have wound up divorced. It’s hard to generalize all of these couples, of course – but it still an interesting call-out.
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@chicbananas@xanga - i agree. when i was divorced, i didn’t WANT to be dependant on my ex. even though he cause a huge heap of debt for which i still have to pay, i didn’t want to see one red cent. i’d rather pay it all by myself then have any dependence on him.
orchid / 148 posts
@hot_metalhead@xanga - ”There are double standards for both sexes.” … agreed. i think nowadays many guys don’t really know what to do with themselves because their established roles are so much more hazy now.
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I’m all for female empowerment and independence. I would not like to be stuck relying on someone like that.
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@chicbananas@xanga - @blackspiders@xanga - I think it is good she got her degree regardless if she is putting it to work or not. If she is happy being a stay at home wife and mom, and her husband can take care of everything financially, it works, right? And if the marriage falls apart, she at least has a college degree and is in a lot better position than not having one at all.
daisy / 501 posts
@Digital_Angel21@xanga - The entire situation is fine, so long as she doesn’t expect spousal support. That was the point.
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@chicbananas@xanga - yeah, definitely, I wasn’t disagreeing with your initial post on that. I just don’t think going to college and getting a degree is a “waste” even if you just end up married and not working.
orchid / 159 posts
I think that there should be a stay at home parent because I feel it is better for kids. That said, I have no desire to be a stay at home parent. So unless the guy I marry wants kids and doesn’t object to being the stay at home father, I’ll be passing up on the procreation.
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i really think that women need to stop running around saying that being a housewife is a job. it’s not. i don’t consider it a job to clean and maintain your own space. by that standard, women who work outside the home are STILL infinitely better because they’re essentially working two jobs (or, in the case of my mom, three).
rose / 980 posts
@chicbananas@xanga - Your opinion doesn’t take into account what a stay-at-home parent sacrifices so that the bread winning parent can work without family concerns. Or even in the case where one career parent takes a back seat in their career to also care for the kids. If Taylor and Pat have three kids and Taylor stayed at home caring for them for 15 years then Pat has 15 years worth of raises, job transfers, time in position, experiences, references, etc. racked up. Taylor gave that up to take care of their children. That is a part of why spousal support remains. Taylor isn’t going to get a job on the level of Pat right away. And chances are if Pat had Taylor’s family responsibilities Pat’s career wouldn’t be so far ahead.
rose / 980 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - I thought my children needed me home with them more than I needed a career at that point. It’s a shame society has stooped to the level of degrading stay-at-home parents. Yes, I sacrificed a career early in my life and I’m not quite in one yet that I will keep (the economy being what it is) but once I’m done training I will be a certified court reporter. I have plenty of years left for a career, I just chose not to do it while my children were young and at home full time.
daisy / 501 posts
@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - I have taken all of that into account. But on the whole, spousal support is dated and used more as a weapon rather than actual aid. And if you have chosen to ditch a career, the husband cannot be held entirely accountable to take care of you if the marriage fails. I think SAHMs are wonderful and they have a very respectable job to do, but I am against inflicting punishment and putting strain on the ex husband to continue to provide after the marriage fails, especially if the wife was the one who ended it. My husband and I worked for years in domestic relations law and spousal support very often was used to hurt rather than help. It needs to be deeply looked at, not automatically imposed once a separation occurs. Overall, I do not support it, but as stated above, if the spouse was forced into a jobless SAH role and the enforcing spouse ended the marriage, spousal support can be necessary.
orchid / 205 posts
@WaitingToShrug@xanga - I definitely agree with you, especially because with childcare costs what they are, having 2+ kids in daycare would be about the same as a full time job for most people. You shouldn’t spend your marriage planning for potential divorce. Should something tragic happen, well, that’s life, you adjust accordingly when that happens. Either spouse could die at any moment- is that a reason to not pursue the path you both want?
To me, in general, the idea that any of us can totally PLAN for every possible life scenario is absurd- it assumes we have more control then we really do. It’s good to be realistic, practical, frugal, and make the best choices at each turn…but the obsession with planning for every scenario is probably just fooling ourselves.
orchid / 205 posts
@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - I disagree, have you looked at childcare costs? If a woman has kids in the home, she is working because she’s replacing the considerable cost of daycare. Now, if the couple doesn’t have kids…well that’s another story, I agree with you there. But as a mom who works out of the home myself, I see so much of my money going to childcare that it’s hard to see the benefit sometimes.
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@vlinder_farfalla@xanga - i admit, i can’t speak much on childcare costs. it’s a tradition in my family to have the grandparents supervise children until they begin attending school. but even then, my mother was able to afford a few years of preschool for me on a much worse salary than she has now. even my younger cousin, unmarried and with two kids, can afford daycare on a part-time minimum wage paycheck.
so, no… from my experience, childcare costs are not that prohibitive. and even if they are, i still don’t consider choosing to give up your employment to watch your own kids a career change. coming from a family where being a housewife is simply not an economical option, i find it very belittling and insulting for someone to compare staying at home with your kids to what my mother, grandmothers, and aunts sacrificed to have both a wonderful home and a promising career.
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@chicbananas@xanga - It doesn’t matter if spousal support can be used as a weapon. Everything in a divorce can be used as a weapon, should we abolish dividing the property, get rid of the kids too in a divorce? Just as much as one party can use the payment of spousal support as a weapon, so too can the opposite party hide assets and lie about income. It’s divorce, they are messy.
If you work in divorce cases then you must know that women’s standard of living falls (often sharply) after a divorce. (I’m talking generically not specifically.) And you want to do away with automatic spousal support? That’s absurd. If one party is a stay-at-home parent for 15 years as their spouse cheats or abuses them and they finally give up and file for divorce, you don’t think they should get automatic spousal support because they asked for the divorce? That’s absurd. Removing of spousal support (which in my state is not automatic, you must ask for it and you’ll get it based on a scale so it is genderless) will put abused spouses into a situation where they won’t be able to leave a bad marriage considering so much of abuse involves control.
I’m really sad that society continues to downgrade the role of mothers and women. Even other women fail to see the value in the choices women make. It’s sad. Spousal support is not punishing the husband, it is ensuring the woman can get back onto her feet.
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@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - Your cousin probably has subsidized childcare. There is no way anyone can afford qualified childcare for two children on a part time job. I have a friend who works full time and she paid $1200 a month for childcare. When I had my daughter in military daycare I paid $95 a week. That’s $400 a month 13 years ago. For three kids that would have been $1200 a month and that was a lot cheaper than daycare off base.
If your family provided free childcare you cannot compare that to working mothers who must use public qualified childcare. The comparison isn’t there at all. Of course, a child being taken care of by family is wonderful and most beneficial. None of that should take away from stay-at-home mothers who sacrifice a career so that their children are raised at home.
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@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga -
“Your cousin probably has subsidized childcare.”
nope. her friend runs an in-home daycare and charges $100/week for the first child, with discounts for any additional children enrolled.
“None of that should take away from stay-at-home mothers who sacrifice a career so that their children are raised at home.”
sorry, but i don’t see it as as much, let alone more, of a sacrifice as a woman who chooses to continue working. if staying at home and being a mom really IS a full-time job, then a woman who does that AND continues to work outside the home is the one really making sacrifices. two jobs =/= one job.
i also wanted to comment on something you said to someone else. i don’t think SAHMs are degraded, but i do think they need to stop pretending they have it as hard as women who are both homemakers and employees. EVERY woman, whether she stays at home all day or works, is a homemaker. and being a mother doesn’t stop when you enter your office. i’m so tired of SAHMs trying to act like they have it so difficult, as though career women must hire maids to do housework for them, or have live-in nannies. career women do everything SAHMs do, and then some. i consider that far more admirable, just as i consider it more admirable for a student to work and attend classes at the same time, rather than go to classes only and have someone else support them.
daisy / 501 posts
@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - I’m not downgrading the importance of women. “If one party is a stay-at-home parent for 15 years as their spouse cheats or abuses them and they finally give up and file for divorce, you don’t think they should get automatic spousal support because they asked for the divorce?” Perhaps you need to reread my comments because I have, more than enough times said, that if the money-making spouse is the one who ditches, spousal support is completely reasonable. The money maker doesn’t have to be the one who initiates divorce; there are plenty ways to effectively kill a marriage, including abuse and neglect. I still stand by what I said. 17 years of watching how the system misuses spousal support is enough for me to decide how I view it. I am sorry we don’t see eye to eye on this, but not once did I start degrading women and downplaying their importance. Agree to disagree.
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@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - You expect me to believe that anyone making $173.40 a week (If you’re in WA with the highest minimum wage) is able to pay $100 plus in child care a week and still be able to live? Now, if her part time job is 38 hours a week at $8.67 that’s $329.46 before taxes and I’m still not buying she is shelling out over $100 a week in daycare. Yes, she can “afford” it at 38 hours a week, but she isn’t left with much money. If her friend gives her a break on daycare, that is still subsidized just not by the government.
There’s no need to compare who is making more of a sacrifice. A working mother sacrifices time with her child. A stay-at-home mother sacrifices a career. We’re talking about spousal support, not who has it harder.
I’ve been both a working mother in the Navy and a stay-at-home mother, for me the house was a hell of a lot easier to keep clean when nobody was in it making a mess. Of course, it is different. Career women do not do the same exact thing as stay-at-home mothers. It doesn’t make one better. I’ve done both. When I worked and my daughter was in daycare, most of her waking hours were spent being taken care of by someone else. That’s the facts. She also wasn’t at home creating messes. Whatever mess she made at daycare, they cleaned up. I came home to a clean house. As a stay-at-home mother I changed more of her diapers, fed her more, and clean up after her more. That’s the logistics of it. That doesn’t make me a better person. And a lot of working mothers I know, have someone else clean their house.
rose / 980 posts
@chicbananas@xanga - This is what you said, “but I am against inflicting punishment and
putting strain on the ex husband to continue to provide after the
marriage fails, especially if the wife was the one who ended it.” I took that to mean whoever files for the divorce, that is who is essentially ending the marriage. I’m sorry if I misunderstood you. I still don’t agree that spousal support is at all wrong though.
I will agree that sometimes the law allows it to go on for too long. I know people who were married for 20 years and have been paying spousal support longer than that because their ex refuses to get married. That is not fair. I agree with support as a means for one party to get back on their feet, but not as life long support. (Although business profits probably should always be split if they created a business during a marriage.)
orchid / 205 posts
@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - wow, well those kinds of prices in childcare do NOT exist where I live, that’s for sure. For fulltime childcare for a 2 year old runs around $1400/month, and that’s at the YMCA or somewhere state subsidized. For private would be even more. And in-home providers are about on par with YMCA- essentially more per month than rent. And for kids younger than 2 it’s even more expensive. Plus there’s the issue of breastfeeding- to me the life long health benefits of bfing my son were worth staying home for. But that’s another story. I just don’t believe you can put a dollar value on these kinds of things.
Also I think it’s interesting to judge a woman’s choice to stay home when you admit that people in your family were watched by a “grandma”. My son’s grandma (all of his grandparents) work full time, and make more than I do. What’s the difference if a mom or a grandma stays home -unless she’s retired I guess, but a lot of people don’t have retired parents when they have toddlers.
daisy / 501 posts
@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - I probably didn’t make myself clear enough, so I apologize. I agree with your last bit, though. Spousal support tends to run much too long and there comes a certain point when the receiving ex-spouse is just taking advantage of the other. It is sad.
rose / 980 posts
@vlinder_farfalla@xanga - Yep, my children are 8, 11, and 13 and my parents are not retired. I wouldn’t have had any family to stay and watch my children for free. And I agree with the breastfeeding thing, I saved a lot of time and money by breastfeeding exclusively, which I could only do by staying at home.
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@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga -
the discount is for everyone, not just my cousin. I’ve worked in plenty of daycares, and we love it when siblings are enrolled. it’s an easy way to get more money without going through the hassle of orientation.
simply put, I don’t find cleaning, cooking, and other household chores to be on par with an actual job. you’re maintaining your own space. it’s what you should be doing anyway, job or no. if you can’t maintain a home while having a job, I don’t think the job is the problem.
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@vlinder_farfalla@xanga -
…where did I judge? I said that I don’t consider being a mother or housewife a full-time job. nowhere did I say it was a dumb or poor decision. would I do it? absolutely not. one,I love my career. two, none of the women in my family were SAHMs and I learned from them how to successfully balance work and family, without sacrificing either. I find the notion that families suffer from both parents working to be outdated, especially in an age when many jobs can be done from home.
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@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga -
@vlinder_farfalla@xanga -
two words: breast pump. every daycare I’ve worked at that enrolled infants, there were at least two whose parents would drop them off with breast milk to feed them. you don’t need be with them to reap the benefits.
rose / 980 posts
@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - Three words… I don’t pump. Nor should I have to pump. Human milk is best delivered straight from the tap as all the foremilk and hindmilk is there in correct proportions and also my milk separated if pumped and left alone for more than two minutes. So, my breastfed babies never had a bottle. It saved me money. I couldn’t have worked and them gotten my breastmilk. Not to mention the positive effect full time nursing (rather than combined with pumping which often reduces milk production) had on me as a woman lowering my chances of breast cancer.
FTR… I don’t care who formula or breastfed. I don’t care who pumped bottles or not… I chose not to give my babies bottles at all, they only got fresh breastmilk and that was IMO best for me and children.
rose / 980 posts
@chicbananas@xanga - It is sad, because that one person is probably just holding a grudge.
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@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - then it’s not a sacrifice for you to be a SAHM for such a reason. you chose to go the harder route out of preference, not because you had no other choice.
rose / 980 posts
@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - Of course I chose to sacrifice a career to stay at home with my kids. It’s not like I’ve never had career ambitions just because I thought staying home to raise my kids was more important for me than having a career at that time. It was indeed a sacrifice. I could be retiring from the military soon if I hadn’t chosen to be a SAHM, that was a sacrifice.
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@TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - sacrifice happens out of necessity, not out of preference.
rose / 980 posts
@too_pretty_to_die@xanga - Sacrifice “the surrender or destruction of something prized or desirable for the sake of something considered as having a higher or more pressing claim.” (From dictionary.com)
I surrendered my career (which I desired) for the sake of my children (they have a more pressing claim).
sunflower / 451 posts
I really don’t want a “prince charming.” I don’t want to get married until I am making enough money to completely live on my own. It’s very important to me to feel like I am contributing economically, because if someone pays your way, you really can’t argue with them. If you’re helping to pay the rent and the food and all the other expenses, you have way more say in those things.
I refuse to date or marry anyone who does not treat me like an equal partner in the relationship. I don’t care if we sometimes fill different roles in the relationship due to our different personalities and different emotional needs, but it’s something that should happen naturally, not “I’m the man and you’re the woman, so I’ll earn the money and you clean the house.”
peony / 2 posts
I would love to remarry a gem of man who is able to maintain me in all ways including financially, however, I have a career that I can fall back to if needed. I would love to be a stay at home mom while the kids are young and volunteer during that time. Just waiting for the Lord to bless me!