Lovelyish

I’d be careful about going backstage and meeting Chris Brown.  Sort of like I’d need my own bodyguard and firearms.

aww thats so sweet. 

That’s a sweet gesture, no doubt. Though if it were me, I probably would have sold it on eBay. I could use a few thousand dollars. I have bills that need paying.

Congratulations he’s still an asshole.
Pardon my French.

At least he rewarded her. How many celebrities reward their fans.

not everyone is a self centered asshole. i think i might actually have some faith in humanity now

I’d sell the concert tickets, backstage passes and meet and greet to someone else, then use the money to go see my favorite kpop stars.

I remember hearing about this a couple days after the VMAs. I also remember hearing about how Chris and his people denied the fan’s request to meet him to get a thank you. A+ move on changing that decision, Chris Brown’s people.

@SasGal@xanga - @colorMEpurple2@xanga - :| Those kinds of comments about him are so old now, it’s not even humorous or remotely funny…

@WhenHateIsTheOnlyOption@xanga - That’s true.

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - I’m not trying to be funny.  That was completely serious.  Maybe you are more forgiving of men who beat the shit out of their girlfriends, but I can’t.  I don’t look away.  The fact that he still acts like he’s some hardcore thug shows that he hasn’t changed from those days.  

So go ahead.  Applaud him for being so cool.  That’s all a woman beater needs… a bigger ego.

@SasGal@xanga - This. THIS. This is why I love you.

funny how you can’t even say his name without hordes of people going OMG HES A TERRIBLE PERSON, BURN THE LADY BEATER

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@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - I’d hit Rhianna, but Chris Brown beat me to it.

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - Yeah I don’t think it’s okay for anyone to beat the crap out of someone. No matter how many years go by the fact that he beat Rihanna is still relevant. I’m not trying to be funny in the slightest, abuse is not a joke nor will it ever be funny. He has not learned in any way from his actions and he clearly has anger management issues. He is an asshole and he always will be.

@SasGal@xanga - yes yes yes a thousand times yes!

@SasGal@xanga - No, no, no. I applaud YOU for judging me so quickly.. My point is he will ALWAYS have the title “woman beater”, so why say comments like that when everyone already gets it? No need to hear it over and over and over and over again. Do I think it’s right to hit a woman? Never. But I also don’t think it’s right for a woman to START the physical altercation and come after a man like she thinks she can beat him up. Both parties were idiots and I still find her an idiot because a couple weeks after the whole dilemma, she still went back with him and stayed with him for a couple months more when her parents were telling her to get away from him. She didn’t even file a restraining order right away, yet we praise her for looking slutty, sing about S&M and have little kids sing along to it, and wear “cunt” around her neck? I don’t get it.

And personal life aside, when it comes to talent, he’s way better. He can sing amazing live, he can dance like no one’s business, and he’s a songwriter. Rihanna, on the other hand, is always off tune when she attempts to sing live, her dancing consists of just gyrating, and she doesn’t write her own songs. So if I’m gonna support someone when it’s purely about their musical ability, I’m gonna support Chris Brown.

@hyokyung - Tell me about it T__T

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - Your response reminds me of Andy Levy’s statement: “As long as you can sing, you can beat the living hell out of your woman, and other women will still love you.”

I would have sold it and donated the proceeds to a battered-woman’s shelter.

@pick_my_friggin_nose@xanga - Seriously though, I can’t wait to become a popular singer so I can get away with beating up a defenseless person. Sure beats being treated like a normal person who deserves ample jail time for assault. 

This has nothing to do with Chris Brown beating anyone, he actually did something good here, yet all the comments still mention that. Yes, he did something horrible but he’s moving on, why can’t the rest of the world? We can’t dwell on it forever. We’ve all done bad things in the past and I’m pretty sure people don’t bring up all the bad things you’ve done anytime someone mentions your name. 

@JustPlainMorgie@xanga - Technically the post never states who exactly gave her all that swag. :3

It was the right thing to do, to give the watch back… I mean seriously if it was put on ebay that person would be tracked down or something. I would return it… The compensation might be good for a fan… I would probably turn it down because I would have nothing to say… even for my favorite bands…. I have nothing to say but “hey good music” and awkward silence… I would prefer nothing in return or idk 

@RazielV@xanga - For real though, just because he’s a celebrity and he didn’t receive jail time means the whole world is supposed to forget about it? Any other person who beat someone as bad as he beat Rihanna they would’ve been charged with assault with heavy consequences and no one in that persons life would forget about it. But just because Chris Brown is a celebrity and he ignores his past means we’re supposed to too. I think Andy Levy said it all best when he “apologized” to Chris Brown after his tweet.

@JustPlainMorgie@xanga - That’s the price you take when you become famous and everyone knows who you are. If it were petty thievery I would probably let that go, but this man beat up a woman. It’s irrelevant she was famous too. His actions are the lowest of the low, I haven’t researched it much but did this guy even get prosecuted for it? If not, then that’s fucking sick. I hate that the general public make excuses and forgive criminals and scum when they happen to have a high celebrity status.

i would have throw my watch on the stage and called it even. actually i wouldn’t have. i think Movado is a much more beautiful watch. 

I don’t know that’s a tough one.

I would’ve returned it, too, simply because I would be paranoid about someone finding out I had the watch… and then getting sued or thrown into jail for robbery or something.

@SasGal@xanga - @colorMEpurple2@xanga - @RazielV@xanga - Chris Brown should have been charged with a domestic violence charge, which has a maximum sentence of four years in prison. Instead, he was charged with two felony charges, one of which would have doubled his sentence with the minimum sentence. Instead, the prosecution cut him a plea where he received 5 years probation, 1400 hours of manual labor to be served as 8 hour days over the course of six months in Virginia, mandatory attendance in a domestic violence program, and a restraining order than is in effect until 2014. If you look at convictions for domestic violence, you’ll notice that the majority of people brought up on charges never go to court. Chris Brown, because it was a high profile case, was punished fairly harshly, by comparison.

That’s not to excuse his behavior. He beat up Rhianna. He had absolutely no right to put his hands on her or anyone else. HOWEVER, he is being compliant with the terms of his probation. He did go through the criminal justice system and receive a sentence for his conviction. He is being punished for what he has done.

Just because the guy can sing doesn’t mean that he should be punished more harshly than anyone else. You don’t like the dude? Huzzah. How long should your most grievous errors be held over your head? Or should we just take all criminals out back and shoot ‘em because there’s no hope for redemption?

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - Since when did I expect him to be judged more than any other person? In fact, in one comment I explicitly stated he should be tried like “every other normal person” because his “fame” shouldn’t mean squat when it comes to charging him. In any case, in the incidence of such violent domestic abuse I feel anyone should be serving mandatory jail time with a psych eval, and anger management courses, as well as covering any and all medical costs of the victim. That’s with ANY case where the victim is so violently abused.

I couldn’t care less about anyone’s “status”. I care more about justice for the victims, because they’re the ones who matter. That’s just my opinion, so kindly back off.

@JustPlainMorgie@xanga - True. I have a lot of bad things attached to even my name…but I understand his pain of being forced to be reminded of what he has done. His mistakes. I’ve been there myself. It really sucks. You’re just stuck and you can’t move on with your life and that’s the worst part. I think as long as they serve their consequences, they should be fine. Everyone should be allowed second chances. 

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - Exactly.

This is about a Rolex watch, why the hell is everyone talking about the physical abuse between them. Wow! This is why people get into useless arguments, they say off topic.

wow, just…wow. I could use 22000 $. Perhaps I would buy myself some concert tickets, after buying a new car.

Was the fan rewarded well? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Chris Brown has enough money, and he gives her just some concert tickets? If he was really nice he’d give her the watch…she deserves it and it’s not like it would hurt him very much.  

That’s wicked awesome.

@GodlessLiberal@xanga - That’s Karma for you, wife-beating son of a 

As a girl, I wouldn’t be in the same STATE as Chris Brown.  I don’t want a broke up face.

Maybe Chris could just buy a new watch. 

Or the girl could sell her concert tickets and VIP stuff. That’s what I’d do… I wouldn’t want to hang out with him.

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - I think the punishment was deserved. it was more than just a punch, he beat the living hell out of her. anyone should be charged with a felony if they beat the living hell out of someone.

Well… it’s cool, but all her prizes in the end are not worth the Rolex. I say sell it haha.

@raspberryjade@xanga - I didn’t say that the punishment wasn’t deserved. I also don’t condone physical violence.

This is a picture of Rhianna’s injuries. She sustained bruising on her face, a split lip, and bite marks on her arms and fingers. He was sentenced with a felony charge because he threatened her and a felony charge could be applied. Not because the nature of her injuries was so much more grievous than any other victim’s.

@RazielV@xanga - Your flippant remarks about domestic violence got you added to the reply.

You said, “Seriously though, I can’t wait to become a popular singer so I can get away with beating up a defenseless person. Sure beats being treated like a normal person who deserves ample jail time for assault.“

You don’t think that implies that you  believe the sentence is too light?

You said, “In fact, in one comment I explicitly stated he should be tried like “every other normal person” because his “fame” shouldn’t mean squat when it comes to charging him.”

You didn’t say that in THIS discussion, did you? It’s not in any of the comments above or below my comment to you or your reply to me. Are you really expecting me to know what you’ve said elsewhere?

If you don’t wish to be included in a response, don’t make public statements.

It’s not like I attacked you in my reply. I stated that he was convicted and sentenced and that, at some point, you have to accept that criminals have been punished for their crimes. Whether you agree with the sentence or not, it was doled out according to court rules and the limited discretion a judge is allowed.

So… Yeah, sure thing. I’ll “back off” now.

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - lol. @RazielV@xanga - was being sarcastic…

@written_conversations@xanga - Yes, he was being sarcastic. Does that necessarily mean that he wasn’t still expressing his true feelings on the issue? In fact, his later response to me supports that theory. He believes much harsher punishments should be in place.

It was really nice of the fan to return the watch. It was also nice of chris or his people to reward her for her good deed. Let us remember that you don’t do good deeds to be rewarded you do them because you enjoy doing them/they are the right thing to do. He didn’t have to give this girl anything. The watch belonged to him and it’s not like she took down a thief who had stole it from him. She returned property that belonged to him.

I think the ish sites should just avoid any stories about CB good or bad. It always ends up with CB basing in the comments and now it’s just getting old. I don’t condone anything he did and like someone commented the fact that he had to even see time in court is something. You know as well as I do if he were better connected he may have never even gotten probation. I bet if it were some no name girl from a small town it probably wouldn’t have gotten as much coverage as it did and I’ll go as far as to say it wouldn’t be something that is rehashed over and over again in the media.

What he did to Rihanna will never be okay but I hope that as a child of God I can find a way to forgive him and continue to pray that he finds a way to overcome the anger and rage he obviously has boiling inside of him so no one else, including himself, gets hurt.

damn, throw me a fucking watch to give back to you!

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - No. I believe he should be charged as anyone else. I feel his punishment was too lenient for ANYONE who beats someone as badly as he beat her. You’re twisting my position around without any actual factual backing for the statement. Point out exactly where I state that his place as a popular singer means he should be punished harsher than anyone else. 

The beginning of my comment you quoted was indeed sarcasm. I feel that his being a popular name kept him from getting a full-on punishment that anyone else would have had they not been so prolific. This is stated in the latter part of the quote, “Sure beats being treated like a normal person who deserves ample jail time for assault.“

Point is, I feel he should be tried like anyone else. And yes, I feel domestic abuse to the degree in this case deserves a harsher punishment. Not based on whether or not the person is famous, but because the victim has been severely, and violently, abused. You won’t change my position by saying it is something else. It doesn’t work that way. I’m fine with discourse, but not with people misrepresenting my opinions, or trying to force their view of what I’m saying on what I’m actually saying. It’s not intelligent in the least and it’s deeply insulting. I feel exactly as I said. Take it or leave it, but do not put words in my mouth. You’re not qualified to do that. I cannot be any clearer than that.

That’s what I mean by “back off”. You want to discuss this, I’m happy to do so, but refrain from ad hominems and fallacious accusations. That I don’t abide by.

@RazielV@xanga - “Point out exactly where I state that his place as a popular singer means he should be punished harsher than anyone else. “

HERE:”Seriously though, I can’t wait to become a popular singer so I can get away with beating up a defenseless person. Sure beats being treated like a normal person who deserves ample jail time for assault.“

And Prolixity_Split countered with: “If you look at convictions for domestic violence, you’ll notice that the majority of people brought up on charges never go to court. Chris Brown, because it was a high profile case, was punished fairly harshly, by comparison.”

You insinuated he wasn’t punished “like a normal person” when in fact he received harsher punishment than a “normal person”.
It was the “kindly back off” that turned this exchange adversarial. Just my observation.

@girlForgetful@xanga - That still doesn’t prove I feel his station as a popular figure means he deserves harsher punishment. If anything you just proved my statement that I didn’t. And I still don’t. And I will continue to disagree that the punishment regardless of status is anywhere near “harsh” when it comes to violent abuse. 

I’m looking at the issue from an entirely different perspective, meaning that by my standard a normal person would be forced to serve a mandatory jail sentence, not probation. What is being mixed up is what I feel versus what the law states. I am aware the law is entirely different than what my feelings on the issue are, much like how I feel child rapists should be given the death penalty, not a few months in prison.

@RazielV@xanga - I didn’t say you said HE should be punished more harshly. I said it was one implication from what you stated that he was not punished harshly enough. Which is accurate, according to other statements you have made. You believe, in general, the penalty for domestic violence should be harsher. I’m neither putting words in your mouth nor misinterpreting anything you have said. This is why I quoted you and then responded. In fact, YOU are putting words in MY mouth. How about you point out where I said that you said that?

You said, “In any case, in the incidence of such violent domestic abuse I feel anyone should be serving mandatory jail time with a psych eval, and anger management courses, as well as covering any and all medical costs of the victim.“

To which I said, “He believes much harsher punishments should be in place.“

No word twisting involved. You actually stated you believed it should be more harshly punished. I stated such. It does support the conclusion I made about the original statement that prompted your inclusion in the reply.

You feel his punishment was too lenient, despite the fact that he was punished in accordance with the law and judge’s discretion. That’s great. Unfortunately, the court system says otherwise. If you genuinely feel that domestic violence is not being appropriately punished in the justice system, you should do something about it, like writing your representatives and making sure that elected judges in your area are tough on domestic violence. Making flippant remarks on Xanga that make you look insensitive certainly isn’t helping.

You speak from ignorance on the subject, I suspect. You believe that he was punished less than an average perpetrator of non-fatal domestic violence? One guy beat his pregnant ex-girlfriend resulting in deep tissue bruises all along her body and only received 9 months in jail for it, despite having prior convictions. (I’d link, but I’m not going to go hunt for it again and you are capable of using Google as well as I.) Most domestic violence cases of this magnitude are never prosecuted. The perpetrators may spend the night or the weekend in jail awaiting arraignment, but the charges are more likely to be dropped before then. The fact is, a normal person wouldn’t have been charged with a felony. A normal person wouldn’t have hit the news. A normal person wouldn’t be publicly scrutinized for their actions even on an article where they are alleged to have done something nice. He was charged with a felony because it was a high profile case.

You keep saying that domestic abuse “to the degree in this case” as if this were a particularly bad case. Women DIE from domestic abuse. She had some bruises, a split lip, and bite marks. (Not abrasions, marks.) That’s not to say that I think what he did was OKAY or PERMISSIBLE. I’m saying that what she experienced was NOT typical of domestic abuse. Most women who are abused are beaten until someone interferes on their behalf or they are otherwise incapacitated. Chris Brown left the vehicle of his own accord and removed himself from the situation. That is definitely not typical of abusive relationships.

I didn’t misrepresent you. I restated what you yourself stated. You, apparently, are hellbent on being offended at this point. Have fun with that.  Btw, where was there an ad hominem?

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - By logic, cases in which the victim dies should–in my eyes–carry a lifetime sentence/DP. Also, read my response to @girlForgetful. No, I’m not hellbent on being offended, but I did feel offended and there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m entitled to my opinions and feelings much as you are. What I’m seeing at the moment is a complete lack of respect for my own feelings, and some ridiculous push to make me look “stupid”, for what reason I am unsure and equally uncaring about.

It is how I feel, and nothing more. I felt you were insinuating that my stance was that his position and stature is what should mean a harsher sentence, not my position towards people in general. This is because you did not at any point acknowledge said fact, only pointed out a generalized summary of my position. That’s how I came to my conclusion whether accurate or not.

You need to be 100% clear on what you’re trying to say, much like I’ve been trying. If I failed to be 100% clear that is my fault. What IS clear to me at this point is there is a definite failure in communication, but judging from your attitude there’s little room left for discussion. Therefore I wash my hands of this exchange. Have yourself a good one.

@RazielV@xanga - You said, “By logic, cases in which the victim dies should–in my eyes–carry a lifetime sentence/DP.”

Unfortunately, that’s not the way the system works. That becomes a murder case. Murder can result in a lifetime or death sentence, but people generally do not serve lifetime sentences, even in especially heinous cases. If you really want to get mad, look into early releases from prisons for “good behavior”. Violent criminals are routinely recommended for early release in private institutions because they prefer the non-violent drug offenders to the murderers and rapists. Drug offenders generally cause less trouble and bring in the same amount of revenue from the state. The prison system (and sometimes, the justice system) is deeply flawed in some regards.

You said, “No, I’m not hellbent on being offended, but I did feel offended and there’s nothing wrong with that.”

You were offended at being addressed initially. I said nothing in my initial reply that should have offended you. I made no attacks. I still haven’t attacked you or your character. I do believe the remarks you made here initially were flippant and insensitive. That’s not me calling you names or saying you’re a bad person.

You said, “What I’m seeing at the moment is a complete lack of respect for my own feelings, and some ridiculous push to make me look “stupid”, for what reason I am unsure and equally uncaring about.“

I’m not sure why you would feel that way. You clearly have a vision of the typical domestic abuse case that I know reality disagrees with. Illustrating the reality of domestic abuse is intended to help correct that divergence. I am not belittling you or otherwise implying a lack of intelligence. If you believe that I was due to my statement, “You speak from ignorance on the subject, I suspect[,]” you are mistaken. Your statements about how you believe domestic violence is punished for the average person are not grounded in actuality. In general, I think the public believes that bad people are always punished for what they do. More often than you care to know, that’s simply not true.

I have attempted to be clear in what I’m saying. This is an important topic. It’s important that criminals be allowed to atone for their crimes and that crimes be punished adequately.

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - My belief is that people SHOULD be punished more than they are. I am unfortunately grounded enough to know that such is not the case, but I still hold to my belief that a serious crime such as rape, extreme abuse–including death, and/or the exploitation of children should be punished with severity. 

I explained the reason behind why I felt offended. Not by my being approached, but the way in which I was approached. I felt my beliefs were being belittled, misrepresented/understood, and my position misinterpreted. It’s your wording I’m having problem with, and explaining the reasons why makes me uneasy. Mostly because to most it comes across as a “cop-out”, but the fact is I have a hard time with certain ways people word things. This is most likely a case of the Autism I suffer from making it hard to communicate my feelings as well as understand what you’re saying.

When I feel someone is misrepresenting me, yes I do become flippant. This is because I feel disrespected and less inclined to be respectful back. In some cases I can push past it and deal, but that’s usually when I’m dealing with people I couldn’t care less about. 

The justice system is full of bullshit. I know this from first-hand experience. But I still hold to what I feel is “just”, regardless of what the law says otherwise.

@RazielV@xanga - You said, “When I feel someone is misrepresenting me, yes I do become flippant.“

The statements you made in which I feel you are being flippant and insensitive are:

You said, “I’d hit Rhianna, but Chris Brown beat me to it.“

You said, “Seriously though, I can’t wait to become a popular singer so I can get away with beating up a defenseless person. Sure beats being treated like a normal person who deserves ample jail time for assault.“

I consider that an accurate assessment of those statements.

It is a flawed system, yes, but it is still one of those best in the world. The presumption of innocence, the protections afforded the accused, the discretion allowed to judges… These aspects are incredible.

@Prolixity_Split@xanga - Well I will disagree. What I said initially was a joke, the “hit” part being a sexual innuendo–the “beat” part being an unintentional pun. The secondary was an expression of annoyance at the justice system and what I perceive to be a lack of “justice” in my eyes. You might perceive it differently, but I do not see either being such.

hell no i wouldn’t have returned that rolex…he’s a BITCH!!!! i would have sold that shit on ebay for twice what it was worth

@P0RCELA1N_D0LL@xanga -  LOL, I LOVE THIS.

@GodlessLiberal@xanga - HAHAHHA. BEST IDEA EVAR!

@SasGal@xanga - just because he beat rihanna, doesn’t mean he’s going to beat a complete stranger that returned his expensive watch. going backstage at his concert doesn’t necessarily include a beating from him. don’t be so naive.
i am OBSESSED with kobe bryant… if i ever got the chance to go and sit courtside at a lakers game and then hang out with kobe afterwards, i would go. the fact that he allegedly raped some girl won’t deter me from going. people make mistakes. it doesn’t mean that they can’t change for the better.

Fuck that. Brother chokes a hot woman out and his fan gives the rolex back. I would sold that and given half to an abused women fund and the other half would have been for me to enjoy and know that Id rather spend that bitches money that let him have it back. 

Psh, I would have just kept it and sold it on Ebay. But seriously, I guess the person returning the rolex was a huge fan so the reward is probably really awesome to her. I just don’t listen to Chris Brown, therefore wouldn’t care for the reward.

Wow she either really loves Chris Brown or has a really good heart. Anything else and bye bye to his watch

Good deeds should always be rewarded, so it promotes people to keep doing good. That was very sweet of him!

@JEDIJESSICUH@xanga - riiight?