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You have a great point, don’t get me wrong, first of all. But honestly, people who get to you over this issue are just little pieces of shit. You were born with a vagina, ovaries, and a reproductive system; you developed breasts, no matter if they’re large or small. Therefore, you have the body of a woman. It doesn’t matter if you’re a size 00 or 20W. Every woman is a real woman regardless of size. With all that said, there’s not much you can do about anyone who doesn’t like your size. Tell them to kiss your ass, keep it moving, and like your body, if not love it.

Wow, I feel like this article was written just for me!  This is exactly what I’m like… I’m 100 pounds soaking wet, and eat more than most guys I know.  All throughout school I was teased for being thin, which really messed with my self-esteem.  I wanted D cups, toned arms, and to be able to wear my jeans without a belt.  After gaining a little maturity (and having a boyfriend who adored my appearance), I came to see how attractive I really was.  But many people try and make me feel ashamed for enjoying the way I look.  It is like a loose-loose situation.  If I mention to a friend that I wished I could fill out my jeans a little more, she would scoff and tell me that I’m lucky.  But if I mention that I like my flat waist, my friends would bitch me out.  The fact of life is that beauty is not determined by size.  Some of the most beautiful women I know are quite curvy, while others are slim.  I think that we all look our most beautiful when we take the body we have (whatever weight or shape it may be) and doing our best to stay healthy and work with the assets that we have.  Being confident in how you look is more attractive than trying to change it, in my opinion.  So rock whatever body you were born with, girls!

@x_damaged_yet_unbroken_x@xanga - Good comment.  I hate it when people use the expression “real woman” in correlation with having lots of curves.  Does that make you a “fake woman” if you’ve got NO curves?  I mean, what?  It’s just such a stupid fucking expression.

@ohforrealson@xanga - *high five* Damn straight. Why can’t we just like our bodies no matter what others have to say?

I don’t think runway models are meant to be the ideal body type of attractiveness or beauty, they were meant to look like walking mannequins to display the designers’ clothing. all sizes can be attractive in their own way depending on personal preferences, but the reason plus sized models aren’t sought after by well known designers is because they simply don’t look as swift walking down the catwalk and their body type is too distracting to model clothes. it isn’t meant to offend them because each fashion industry has different standards. it would be like a specific employer having mandatory requirements for a specific job and some people might meet the requirements while others don’t, but it doesn’t mean that those people are incompetent, just not suitable for that job, so there’s other jobs out there that these people meet the requirements while the others don’t. they have slightly curvier models for lingerie modeling because their intention is to make the lingerie look flattering on a curvier toned body. then there is the plus sized modeling industry. there are also specific models that objectify the hands, feet,etc for jewelry and shoe modeling.

wow, this is a new topic…

I agree with this article. But it is also important to note that one very LARGE reason that models nowadays are so skinny is because it is cheaper to make clothes for someone who is skinny versus someone who is larger and when those clothes are Vera Wang wedding gowns, then that is a very large monetary difference.

People are so judgmental… That will never change.

This topic seems to come up to lovelyish like every few months.
The conclusion is, there will always be people who try to put you down for you, for whatever size you are.
But it’s each of our own choice whether we let that affect us or not, isn’t it?
I’m not saying it’s right for other people to put others down, because it’s not, but haters will be haters. They won’t change just because someone chooses to write a well thought out article about putting others down and how wrong it is.

And anyways, most people who put others down, from what I observe, are usually just insecure about themselves at their core and is just putting others down to make themselves feel better. So the only thing I will do is to ignore them and also not stoop down to their level and spread such hate.

Wtf articles like this are getting so old. Xanga should make a size-ish so they can have all of the skinny vs fat arguments as much as they like. I’m also sick of reading “everyone is perfect just as they are!!” from commenters. I’ve never understood why people would rather tolerate the things they are insecure about than bear the short pain of changing it in any way.

If you are naturally thin you are perfect just the way you are…just as if you are naturally curvy you are perfect the way you are. As long as you are healthy and YOU feel good about yourself, nothing else matters. I used to be extremely skinny…and yes sometimes I miss it. (so much easier to find clothes) but I’ve grown to love my bigger ass and my fuller breasts. (Still haven’t come to love my fuller thighs though) Love yourself for who you are…not for what other people think you are.

Everyone is beautiful as they are. Why do we still debate this? If people disagree, they can go stick their heads up their asses.

On a side note though, Marilyn Monroe and other “curvy” celebrities were TINY. People say they were a size 10, but if you look at the costumes that have been saved from their movies, they are MAYBE a size 2 at the largest. They actually had an article talking about it on msn a while ago. So I figured I should just point that out.

This is a tired topic on Lovelyish, I’m sorry that I had to say it.

But the picture of Marilyn Monroe made me curious about her actual size, because in all the movies I’ve seen she always looks very proportionately slender. A quick Google search says she always had a very exaggerated hourglass figure, with very full hips and bust and a very tiny waist (22-23 inches). I’m not really sure why people consider her a “plus-sized” beauty.

Anyway, my two cents is this: I think people should stop equating certain numbers with being beautiful, but at the same time should strive for good health. Even slender women who can get away with eating “whatever they want” should probably not do so. Be good friends with good foods, that’s what I think.

It also isn’t good to obsess about this topic so much, people. This is where peer pressure and negative body image become a big ugly monster. Be happy with who you are and take care of who you are, and everyone else shouldn’t matter too much.

Size 0 vs Size 10. Big boobs vs Small boobs. Blonde vs Brunette. Black vs White. When does the competition end? 

bass_chick57 - “Everyone is beautiful as they are. Why do we still debate this? If people disagree, they can go stick their heads up their asses.

On a side note though, Marilyn Monroe and other “curvy” celebrities were TINY. People say they were a size 10, but if you look at the costumes that have been saved from their movies, they are MAYBE a size 2 at the largest. They actually had an article talking about it on msn a while ago. So I figured I should just point that out.“

(Yes, I’ve also heard about the Hollywood actresses of yesteryear and the sizing of their costumes were definitely smaller compared to modern times. A size 10 then was completely different than a size 10 today.)

I love her quote

Wait, what about seeing your collar bone? I’m a size 10 and have a pronounced collar bone that would bruise your knuckles.

Body shapes are extremely varied and are determined by proportions, not the size they come in. Some of us are pear, apple, hourglass, nearly straight up and down. A lot of larger women will have few curves while a thin one may actually come out at the hips and bust quite a bit.

I think there’s a huge problem with thinking being a larger size automatically means you’ll have more curves while being smaller means you’ll have none, because that isn’t true.

@bakayarodane@xanga - True

@x_damaged_yet_unbroken_x@xanga - We can and should!

love this post.

I think both are attractive. Most important thing is to workout and eat healthy and whatever weight that makes you- great.

I think that I would have changed the title of this article.
All women are *real* women, no matter what size they are and the whole shebang we’ve read, written and debated over time and time here on Lovelyish.

@Murphy_Rants@xanga - Yup… I’ve been all over between 140lbs and 107lbs at a 5’3 height, and at all moments you could see my collarbones.

Oh yeah, beat that dead horse! It’s so asking for it with that glazed look in it’s eye and the stench of death….

amen! but personally i know my body at its best and if its not a certain way then i will make it that way. GREAT POST GUH!

Hmmm, Marylin wasn’t overly curvy. She had the “perfect” 36′ 24′ 36′ AND she was a size 10/12 by her day’s standards, not ours (hooray for vanity sizing). Monroe had a definite curvy figure, but she was muuuuch smaller than most size 10/12′s today.

Love this!!  Thank you for posting!

Ok, yes, there were sizing differences in the past, but we can all look at pictures of Marilyn, including the one above, and see that she wasn’t stick-thin. I’d imagine that like almost any woman, her exact size fluctuated throughout her life. (In fact, I know it did from seeing different pictures and films.)

Anyone can tell by watching them that films from the 40′s and 50′s celebrated a curvier ideal than we have now; definitely not obese, but more of an hourglass than the straighter shape that has been in more recently.

The older I get, the more I believe beauty is about individual style, confidence, and generally putting an effort into myself. Christina Hendricks is beautiful, and so is Keira Knightley, though their body shapes and beauty styles couldn’t be more different. Those are somewhat exaggerated examples of the beauty spectrum, but we all fall somewhere on the curvy–skinny continuum. What we do with it is what’s in our hands. A woman who is comfortable and at peace in herself will make an effort to be healthy, take care of herself, and accentuate her beauty in her own ways. There’s not one right way to be beautiful. There are as many ways as there are women.

Love this article. More of this please.

@starcrossedloversdivine@xanga - what are you taaaalking about I looove how this same sort of article appears once a month like clockwork!

I feel like I’m being mean when I’m critical of super-tired blogs, because a lot of the posters are probably new and maybe think the topics are fresh rather than super stale, but man, can’t the editors be like “Oh hey, let’s wait 3 months this time before we recycle this one again”?

what you say is true but still ignoring a deeper, fundamental truth: that we should be focusing on health, not size.  You can look like marilyn monroe and be incredibly unhealthy.   You can look like Kate Moss and be incredibly unhealthy.     It’s not about curvy being beautiful, or skinny being beautiful, it should be about people being healthy at whatever size their body ends up being.  

Also, while I agree no hate is better than any hate, I would be wary of positing that thin-hate is as strong as fat-hate in our culture.   This is completely and fundamentally untrue.   I’m not saying you were saying this, but just realize, the way people perceive you and assume things about you as a thin person is a lot kinder than what people assume of a fat person.   The struggles are not the same.

also, the standards haven’t changed that much.  As others have pointed out, the sizings were different, and Marilyn isn’t a stand-in for all actresses of all decades surrounding her.  Audrey Hepburn, for example, was definitely NOT a very hefty lady.

Marilyn Monroe was fat.

Models these days make a pencil look morbidly obese.

Gotta find a balance.

I envy your metabolism. D:

I completely agree. If it has a vagina…it’s a woman, REGARDLESS. 

I love your take on this, even if I have heard it before. Nice.

@ohforrealson@xanga - I completely agree! 

@TheScienceOfChic -

@ScarletMoth@xanga - “Focusing on health, not size.”  Couldn’t have said it better myself.  We get so hung up on looks that we forget that a slender individual who eats nothing but McDonald’s is far less healthy than a slightly overweight person who eats healthily and avoids sedentary activities!

@x_damaged_yet_unbroken_x@xanga - Good post, though I’d have to disagree with “every woman is a real woman.” Like…women who kill their kids (bad example huh?). I think typical “woman” attributes can be subjective (like being submissive, gentle, etc), but I think loving your own child is an instinctive womanly trait. And also…woman who are women on the outside, but not on the inside. Are they “real” women? What if they don’t consider themselves women? @_@

Lol I’m over-analyzing your comment, I know. I know what you meant, I’m just bored I guess ._.

There will always be talk about this until we replace all the smaller models in the media with a dose of all sorts of body types.

We all know that “healthy” comes at different sizes, but we don’t always believe it. In our heads.

And, as a sidenote… the last time I picked up a size 14 pair of jeans and set a smaller size on top of them, I noticed (duh) how say, a size 6, is only INCHES smaller than a 14. I know women who are a size 14 and I thought they were smaller than myself… and the opposite has happened, too. Relying solely on NUMBERS is just a bad idea altogether. No one cares what shoe size we are, or what we got on our ACT… hell, WE don’t even care, but that effing number on the scale or on our jeans’ tags = that’s the number that bugs us? So weird to me. And I’m rather highly educated.

Marilyn Monroe, DAYUM!

@bakayarodane@xanga - great comment!

There’s not much that irritates me more than people using Marilyn as an example of a “fuller” woman. Her weight fluctuated greatly, and she was beautiful at every damn one.

@chadwilly@xanga - Yes. Yes indeed.

Size has nothing to do with beautiful. Neither haircolor or skin tone. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and different people like different things. I know a bunch of my guy friends like both types some like more curvier women more some like thinner women more. It’s all preference. Same with girls, some girls like men with blue eyes over brown or green eyes or asians over white dudes or whatever. It’s all preference.

I myself think skinny looks better on most people even though I was born curvy. Esp because Ive been made fun of for being curvy or told I look chubby but praised when I am thin. So I think when skinny people say how much they hate how skinny they are or want curves, I just dont understand. Im sure it hurts to hear someone say they are not curvy and sexy…but I dought they get mean comments as much as curvy/chubby/or fat people do. Coming from me, being female and curvy, guys will choose an unweight girl over a curvy or chubby girl anyday. I know this for a fact too, because, as I said, Ive been curvy but also very skinny…guys liked me better skinny. In fact, everyone I talked to liked me better borderline anorexic then having a little meat on my bones!

Idk, Im just bitching now I guess, lol, but I’ll never understand the whole I wish I was not skinny deal. Try being curvy or chubby for a day and let me know if you change your mind…its hard to find clothes, people say you need to lose weight all the time even when your eating nothing but carrot sticks, and you always have to work on your curvy parts from sagging! my husband can eat whatever he wants and stays skinny and he loves it..he says he feels bad for me cuz I have to starve all the time. If he wants to be bigger…he just works out and lifts weights…and poof…he looks great! For me, I have to lose weight first, then build muscle, and diet…I work 3 times as hard as him with less results…it sucks!

so if ur naturally skinny w out curves…stop bitchin, take some weight gainer and get ur ass to the gym…u can have curves if you want them, u just have to try! Maybe not boobs…but you can get a bigger ass with squats and such…and build more bulk around your whole body. Us curvy people cant go to the gym and all the sudden have no curves…we were born with them…we can get leaner but we will always have curves…and some of us, like me, dont want them!

And yeah, working out is hard but enjoy how lucky you are to not have to diet and workout both!

I wish they would just eat to make us healthy skinny people feel accepted.

Love your post…”real women have curves” great point but the flip side we as a country are becoming bigger….12, 14, 16, Lane Bryant is making a killing…

I think healthy is beautiful. If you’re naturally thin, that looks good on you. If you’re naturally “thick”, that looks good on you. The women who should be 150lbs but starve themselves so they’re 100lbs aren’t healthy or beautiful. Women who are 400lbs aren’t healthy or beautiful.
I don’t think there is one size that looks good on everyone.

-shrugs- Women are women, and there’s some butter for every biscuit out there.

No, seriously. Just search on the internet. Someone out there has a fetish for whatever the fuck you are. “Oh, well I have a horn growing out of my chest.” I’m sure you have a forum dedicated to how sexy you are and what men would do if they could get you drunk. 

Oh, and by the way, I wear size 5/6 in dresses and I’m 145 pounds (70 inches tall) and you can see my collarbones all day long. I’m surprisingly bony for my body type.