Lovelyish

OMG I MUST HAVE THAT SHIRT

I can already tell before reading the post that it would be conservatives attacking Old Navy. I don’t understand how it’s “immoral” and especially “deadly.” I think it’s great that Old Navy supports such a worthy cause.

I did not know that Old Navy was selling gay pride T-shirts, I will have to go out and buy one! They are so adorable. I agree with you if the organisations do not like the t-shirts than don’t buy one however their complaints will probably backfire and bring more interest and boost sales of the shirts.

I think they’re a great idea.  It’s amazing that there are still so many closed-minded people out there.  And fricken’ sad.

I will be going to buy one. People are fucking ridiculous. If they’re stupid enough not to support homosexuality then just don’t buy the shirt and shut the fuck up.

I think it’s a great idea and I would most definitely buy a shirt to support. Conservatives suck.

Old Navy, here I come!

No guys, for real! These shirts are deadly! They’re covered in a powder poison that puts you in a deep painful coma before killing you!

But no really, I like the “love proudly” shirt.

I think they are wonderful. 

People would bitch if they had something anti-gay, too. You can never please everyone.

I just find it ridiculous and hypocritical that gay pride groups can shout from the roof tops for their cause. But people against it get ridiculed for it. It’s America. People are allowed to say what they think within reason.

I’m a conservative girl. I’m anti-gay marriage. So sue me.

If I had the money to spare, I’d totally buy a shirt! I’m so glad that they’re doing this.

Conservative thinktanks are always coming up with nonsensical scare tactics like this in order to push their bigoted agenda. Why would you be buying this shirt if you didn’t support LGBT equality? So, if you aren’t going to buy a shirt like this, then no amount of your money that you spend at Old Navy is going to be going to any organizations for gay rights. So, just don’t buy one of those shirts. I don’t know why they would, anyway, if they’re so against gay rights. :p

Both those organizations quoted are bigoted organizations that give Christians and Americans bad names. I know plenty of Christians are pro-choice and pro-equality, but to hear the conservatives talk there is no such thing as a Christian who is pro-choice or pro-equality. Nonsense. They simply are taking Christianity and Jesus (along with His message) and making them into something they were never meant to be. Your religion doesn’t give you a free pass to be discriminatory, slanderous or libelous toward other groups of people. Nor does your political bent.

I’d like to get a couple. Any word on if they’re available in Canada?

Pfft. I WILL TOTALLY BUY THAT SHIRT

@Love_never_fails - I know exactly what you mean! I’m an anti-Semite, and people always give me shit about wanting to deny Jews rights. This is America! I should be allowed to discriminate!

@Love_never_fails - Did you read the title of this post? “Old Navy gets backlash”. Meaning, gay pride groups get ridiculed, too.

@Love_never_fails - The irony of your user name and anti-gay marriage stance makes me both laugh and cry at the same time.

Glad they’re selling these – wish they were available online or in my local store. They’re only at select stores…

@SleepyLaura@xanga - I was just thinking the exact same thing.

@Love_never_fails - Because last I checked, gay pride groups aren’t hateful.

@ichifangirl@xanga - I quite agree. Then I must be in a long line of firsts because they are such thing as Christians that are pro-choice and everything under the sun. Those people are being silly.

@Love_never_fails - Yeah, that’s true. But the fact of the matter is that they are using fear mongering to push their agendas on other people. They are saying that every purchase is for that when in fact it’s only those shirts. I think that is a bit out of bound. I think that really is the problem, more than the topic of gay marriage or this or that.

If anything, I wish more than 10% of the proceeds were being donated… I’ll buy this top the next time I go to the U.S.

@Love_never_fails - It’s more than obvious that people against same sex marriage have been shouting out in unison for quite some time now, no?

@SleepyLaura@xanga - I’m not against people being gay. And my user name comes from a Bible verse. People can be gay all they want. I’m against gay marriage because marriage is between a man and a woman. I just simply find it unfair that people feel they are entitled to their opinion only if they don’t hurt anyones feelings.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That is the First Amendment of the Constitution. People are allowed to say what they want in a peaceful way without using derogatory terms or defaming the reputation of another person. People should not have to apologize for their beliefs on certain topics.

I just saw a shirt the other day with “I <3 My Husband”, and I’ve seen others about boyfriends, so if I can spread my love on a t-shirt for my other half, why can’t other people? As long as it isn’t illegal, I don’t give a crap what people want to wear on their t-shirts. Obviously, if you’re buying a shirt with rainbows, you probably are okay with the fact the t-shirt’s proceeds go to a lgbt organization. Duh. Makes me want to buy one for the hell of it.

@Love_never_fails - There’s hurting feelings and there’s discrimination. 

Oh no!

Pride in being who you are? Parades? Organizations helping people? Clearly all the markers of a terrorist cell in the making.

@Love_never_fails - You can be anti-gay marriage, but I would HOPE you aren’t pro-gay bashing and harassment. This is the “It Gets Better” pledge, and I think it’s completely reasonable no matter what your political leanings:

“

THE PLEDGE

: Everyone deserves to be respected for who they are. I
pledge to spread this message to my friends, family and neighbors. I’ll
speak up against hate and intolerance whenever I see it, at school and
at work. I’ll provide hope for lesbian, gay, bi, trans and other bullied
teens by letting them know that “It Gets Better.”"

I’m straight but I’d rather wear a gay pride shirt than be a closed minded idiot that persecutes people who just want love, respect & dignity. Do these organizations know that a majority of their products they purchase are probably made in a sweatshop in a third world country where a little kid is paid 60 cents a day to support their whole family?

@SleepyLaura@xanga - I understand that. No one can ever agree on everything. There isn’t a person in the world that can honestly say they don’t have a prejudice against a certain group even if it is just a slight prejudice. If you read my whole post, I said that I don’t have a problem with people being openly gay in the world. But my belief and they way I was raised is that marriage is between a man and a woman.

@Love_never_fails - I’m just wondering, how exactly is anyone hurt by consenting adults being allowed to marry the person they love, regardless of gender?

I WANT ONE… to bad for being broke.

Immoral and deadly topic? 

*scratches head* 
And here I thought it was the straight couples getting abortions and shit, living out of wedlock, not even wanting to get married. 

@Digital_Angel21@xanga - I’m not a basher at all. I worked with a gay guy and he used to be a good friend of mine until he left his job. I had no problem with him at all. He was gay and against gay marriage. He even believed in the traditional institution of marriage.

I think the American Family Association and anti-gay marriage groups are more upset that a corporation has chosen to support LGBT rights, than the fact that the shirts exist at all. I feel that a number of conservatives have pretty much given up trying to get rid of the LGBT community, but they still want them segregated away in gay districts and away from “normal” people. This shirt and the corporate support it comes with breach that barrier and bring LGBT issues into the open in their communities and that’s threatening to them.

Personally I think it’s great that Old Navy is doing this and if you don’t want to support gay marriage, then don’t buy the shirt. It’s not like Old Navy said “10% of ALL our sales go towards LGBT associations.”

I’ll probably buy one. Individual rights is a biggie for me.

And I would like to point out, Lovelyish, that “conservative thinktanks” aren’t the only ones who mislead and use implication. A little balance, maybe, and stop doing it yourselves before you point fingers.

@Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - Of course they know. That’s why they outsource and subcontract labor in the first place and distance themselves from sweatshops with dummy corporations and local subsidiaries. It’s all profit.

Id buy it and im straight! Thats good that they are doing something like that and people need to CHILL OUT..

@ask_ashleyyy@xanga - I tried not to, but I couldn’t help it. I laughed my ass off at this.

Total opinion whoring.  Those who are so RA RA about these shirts are the very same ones shouting anti-capitalism slogans.  Hint: old navy is using you.

I think its cool. Probably the only reason I’d even go in Old Navy in the first place! I still feel that if people learned to see a person for their spirit.. Not their race, life style, gender, or sexual orientation.. Then none of that shit would matter so much. I’d support any cause that means we’re moving toward accepting other’s differences. 

@tokyoexpressman@xanga - Yeah, they’re in the middle of a massive attempt to get people to boycott Home Depot because Home Depot does totally egregious things like allow their employees to march in gay pride parades, and provide benefits for same-sex spouses.

@Love_never_fails - And we’re aloud to tell them that they are being completely idiotic, which they are. They are morons, worrying about shit that has absolutely no effect on anybody. The same thing would happen if people were bitching about helping the homeless. If people don’t like a CHARITY then they can just kick rocks.

Some opinions are just really ridiculous, so of course they are gonna get a lot of crap for it.

The It Gets Better campaign is one of the greatest movements out there. I love Old Navy for this..

Deadly? Umm, I know, at least 6 people who are sexually immoral by Christianity’s rules, and not a single one of them has been involved in any sort of death. Most of them are my friends too. I’m still alive and well. And Christian.

Before I probably wouldn’t have bought it and chosen to just donate money

But because of that ridiculously ignorant response to the t-shirts, I’m going to go buy ten

I totally want these shirts! Normally I am not a fan of Old Navy, but I am so glad they are promoting these shirts.

They’re cute. I kind of want one.

I kind of want a girlfriend too. lol.

@twenty_twenty_surgery@datingish - I’m conservative and I don’t think like this. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, of course, but I don’t think you should be grouping all conservatives in one group. My best friend is lesbian and I fully support gay marriage, Old Navy, gay pride t-shirts, and gay pride in general really. Anti-gay isn’t JUST a conservative thing though. I know plenty liberals who fully believe that gay marriage should not be legal and they are completely anti-gay. If people want to talk about conservatives being close minded, they should realize that it’s a completely ironic statement. And in fact, to top everything off, my lesbian best friend is a conservative and she’s definitely for gay pride.

Yay, I’m proud to be an employee there now. =) Ahas, I can’t wait til they come in!

I work at old navy, and apprently not every store got the shirts, from my understanding its the east coast that didnt get shipments of them, and you cant buy them online either.
I’m alittle disappointed Old Navy did a half ass job of selling them.

@sunflowersforlove@xanga - My sincerest apologies to you and those conservatives who have no problem with this issue. More power to you and your friend. 

@Love_never_fails - But your reasoning for being anti-gay marriage is your religious beliefs, right?  Well, in America, according to the first amendment which you quoted, it is unconstitutional to pass a law (like making gay marriage illegal) based solely on the beliefs of a religion.  By doing so you are forcing others who are not of your religion to follow your religion.  You can disagree with it, feel it is immoral, speak all the hate about it you want – but you cannot force others to follow your religious beliefs by legislating them, that’s not how it works in America.

I want the white one!

lol it makes me laugh when people say i dont care if your gay but you cant….  lol.  I get that religious freaks dont want people to get married in a religious ceremony, but not all marriages are religious ones.  If a specific religion wants to hate someone and deny rights in the name of god thats fine (even if its hypocritical to “god loves everyone” and ”we are all made in gods image”).  Its not constitutional for a gay couple to be denied a legal marriage what the hell ever happened to seperation of church and state?  My husband and I went down to the court house and signed a piece of paper and boom we are married, we didnt want any type of religious wedding so we said screw it we will just do it our way.  We both celebrated and had our own ceremony between the two of us marriage is not about dresses, cake, god, churches, and the fairytale book called the bible; its about two people binding themselves to eachother forever in a loving partnership.  It should not matter if they both have vaginas or penises.

I want 1

Damn, I HATE people so much. Fucking ignorant ass over zealous religious psychopaths. I kind of want to buy 358972385 of these shirts. How would I feel if 10% of my SHIRT (not entire purchase, dipfucks) purchase went to a homosexual organization? i’d feel proud. DAMN PROUD for not being a NARROW MINDED bitch.

@Name_Isnt_Rio@xanga - What !? You can’t buy them on the east coast!?!?! SCREW THAT. DD:

@Love_never_fails - It’s been about two years since I read the Bible, but can you point me to a verse that specifically says that marriage is between a man and a woman?  The Bible mentions marriage quite often, but does it ever say that it is only between one man and one woman?  If I recall correctly, it wasn’t uncommon at all for people in the Old Testament to have multiple wives.  Didn’t King Solomon have something like a hundred wives and 300 concubines?  So if we’re going to pass laws based on the Bible…polygamy should be a-okay, right?

It’s people like them that make there be a need for campaigns like this in the first place.  Shame on them.  I agree with everyone else, if you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

@SexyGamerGirl@xanga - Exactly.  Their stupidity is made evident by their ignoring the fact that only the proceeds from THAT SHIRT go to the organization.   Durrrrr…

I get paid tomorrow. I’m getting one!

@DarkMeru@xanga - ”marriage is not about dresses, cake, god, churches, and the fairytale book called the bible”  Yes, thank-you!!  What is so hard for people to understand about that?

I wonder if they’ll have them here in the Midwest…if I wasn’t dirt-poor right now, I would go check it out and buy a few.

@Syphan@xanga - There isn’t one, besides “man shall leave his parents and cleave to his wife and the two shall become one flesh” from Genesis! (source: Yale religion degree)

i would buy one of those shirts in a heartbeat.

OK what people should really care about is the horrible slogans on shirts that they sell at stores like Hollister or American Eagle. Just because Old Navy decides to take a stand in something(nice for once), especially from a company who most of their merch comes from China and is a sub company of Gap, I think its nice. If it bothers you dont buy the shirts. Anyways, they are just FUCKING PIECES OF CLOTHING.

@Hinase@xanga - I always love your responses you never lash out on some one for disagreeing. 

@Jessica -  You went to Yale? You make me feel dumb now :’(
lol

These type of post make me sad. Not because of what they say but because in the comment’s people can’t express them selves with out being jerks.  This goes for both sides of the spectrum… :/

@MommyMarty22@xanga - I try not to. I’m glad you like them! Hahaha

@Syphan@xanga - Actually a lot of things that happened in the bible weren’t justified by God.

Also it Depends on if you Go only by Old testament or New, or both…

But I have to say although I am a Christian the Bible is for me to live by not for me to force others to live by. I can let them know How I chose to live but that’s just it it’s my Choice. A lot of Christians and None Christian’s take the bible out of context to fit their personal agenda rather then what it is meant for.

stupid christians. so anti-everything-else. 

If I see one at the store, I’ll definitely buy it. Not only for the cause, but because they are rather cute. I think I may like the white one more though, for the Vneck. <3

@Jenshu7@xanga - Well that’s a big Generalization…

@Melissa___Dawn@xanga - “But your reasoning for being anti-gay
marriage is your religious beliefs, right?  Well, in America, according
to the first amendment which you quoted, it is unconstitutional to pass a
law (like making gay marriage illegal) based solely on the beliefs of a
religion.  By doing so you are forcing others who are not of your
religion to follow your religion.  You can disagree with it, feel it is
immoral, speak all the hate about it you want – but you cannot force
others to follow your religious beliefs by legislating them, that’s not
how it works in America.” -You

I very much agree with your point here

I also found something in the bible that supports what you say… (By the way I am christian my self. I have to say though not everyone makes a choice because of hate. Just because something’s not for you doesn’t mean you hate it. I’m speaking in General though I didn’t follow your entire conversation.)

I figured this would be a kind way for you to show people who bring Christ into the mix (Which I feel is in vain). Not to Mock them but to remind them. Christianity truly is about LOVE and it is not our place to tell anyone anything about them selves unless they are part of our group who claim to follow the same beliefs. (Like keeping a team mate’s head in game.) Also them using “Christianity” for their own agenda is not what the Lord want’s it is only his.

Romans 13:1,2

ECV”All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given them the power to rule, and no one rules without that power from God.  So those who are against the Government are really against what God has commanded.”

Roman’s 8 1 ECV

“Do not owe people anything, except always owe love to each other, because the person who loves all others has obeyed all the law.”

Roman’s 14  1-ECV

Accept into your group some one who is weak in the faith, and do not argue about opinions. One person beleives it is alright to eat all kinds of food’s. But another who is weaker, believes it is only right to eat vegetables. The one who knows it is right to eat all food must NOT reject the opinion of the one who eats vegetables.

I also feel anyone who is using the bible for their own agenda doesn’t really understand what Christianity is about. Don’t get me wrong we are all only human and mess up but their is a difference in a small mess up and just being manipulative.

I’m sorry there are people in this world so hurtful and unloving… Not just Christian’s but in all walks of life.

@MommyMarty22@xanga - I merely meant that they tend to hate on everything that is not strictly under christian jurisdiction with passion. It seems like they spend more time hating and disapproving of things they don’t like (as a whole) rather than dedicating their energies to believing and worshiping their god.

@Jenshu7@xanga - lol I understand what yah meant…

Those people who push hate though and don’t follow what there Religion says of them obviously are not real Christians. Every group has their selfish seed’s is what I’m saying.

I’m not saying I’m better then anyone who Claims they are Christian. Actually i don’t even like the Idea of Identifying my self into a group. I do follow Christ and Believe in the biblical God. I also think it’s wrong for “Christians” (There are many subgroups who are prejudice to other Christians.) to place judgment on anyone.  I think it’s wrong for anyone to judge anyone. (As in arguing about opinion or belief.)

I guess my point is your statement came off just as hateful as well, and not all Christians spread Hate.

Im all for it! I’m happy a well known store is helping out LGBT community.

I like the shirts and like that people are supporting the Idea of their freedom to choose how they live

@Love_never_fails - Those people are against treating homosexuals fairly.

@opticalnoise@xanga - You and me both!!! : )

I’d totally buy this shirt if i’m in america

I need one! I was just shopping Sunday and didn’t see them I would of totally bought one. 

@Jessica - Right, I knew that one (source: theologian’s daughter and missionary kid).  How does that verse fit into Israelite kings having a tonne of wives, though?  Or are they all one flesh?  Or does that verse in Genesis not apply to kings?

@Syphan@xanga - eh, the Bible’s not super clear on it, nor are there as many verses talking about marriage and “family values” as a lot of Christian conservatives would want you to think. In the Old Testament a lot of the men had multiple wives (Jacob, Abraham, etc) and like you mentioned, Solomon had tons of concubines AND wives. Biblical literalists will try to explain it as God’s plan for society back in OT times, when there were more women than men because men got killed in battle and because women were uneducated back then, and then they’ll point to verses like in Ephesians 5 where it talks about husbands, love your wives, etc., to say that God’s plan is now monogamy. If you’re not taking the Bible literally, i.e. in this sense that everything the OT heros did was sanctioned by God, you can just look at it as a typical part of how society functioned back millennia ago, when women were viewed more like property.

I WANTS ONE!!!!

im going to buy that shirt, its a great cause to support. i support same-sex marriage. i don’t believe in taking away people’s rights just because of who they love.

Yes, because buttsecks is lethal, Gary Cass. 

(More like CARRY GAS, AMIRITE?!)

I want one !! =] . And OMG. I hate all the homophobic people, and everyone that’s all closed minded. People should be able to love whoever they want !

@Mangonese@xanga -  LOL that made me laugh

@Jessica - Well-reasoned.  Thank you.

I find it quite astounding how many Christians dismiss parts of the Old Testament with “Well, the Israelite culture changed a lot in that 400 year gap between the Old and New Testament”, and then refuse to apply that same “culture difference” issue regarding the New Testament and modern times.

Or they pick and choose, and say that owning slaves is bad now because back then (even in the New Testament) it was “just a cultural thing”.  And then they say that the “women cannot have leadership and must submit to their husbands” issue will always be true and refuse to acknowledge it as a potential cultural difference.

It seems like a lot of Christians want to have their cake and eat it too.

If Old Navy started selling shirts about Christian “pride” and received a backlash for it, the religious right would be the first group to say O.N. is a PRIVATE BUSINESS and has every right to exercise free speech and support whatever groups it wants to. 

And also, the AFA should just grow up. I don’t eat at Chik Fil A because I don’t want my money helping support their donations of food or money to religious organizations. I don’t pitch a fit about it! If Christians don’t like O.N.’s business practices, just don’t shop there! 

I think Old Navy has a right do back who ever they want,

@mirsalient

1 JEW checking in
and I’m guessing you’d like to bring indentured servants and slaves back too. 

SO WHAT

its just a shirt 

I would buy it! I support gay rights and I support the it gets better foundation, because no one should be bullied on because of their sexual preferences! *I am off to get the shirt* & wear with pride  

@Name_Isnt_Rio@xanga - Wait what!!!! They need to come to the east coast then

@Love_never_fails - This isn’t even about gay marriage. It’s about gay acceptance and not bashing the gays. You can be anti-gay marriage, but it’s wrong to bash gays and that’s what this campaign is about. 

@euphoric_autumn@xanga - i may be wrong, but i read mirsalient’s comment as sarcasm?? i thought the comment was so ridiculous and over-the-top that it had to be a sarcastic take on the discrimination against gays evident in the ON backlash.

or maybe that’s just my naivete coming through, lol

This kinda makes me want to go out and buy a shirt now. Esp the white one, it’s cute. Great cause!

That is Blog of Unnecessary Quotations worthy. And thats dumb, I think I’ll buy one now just cuz. And its a GOOD cause.

Love them!!!

@mirsalient@xanga - America having freedom of speech and other rights does not give YOU the right to discriminate against anyone, at all. It is disturbing to me that you are bending the Constitution in order to discriminate against people. You give Americans a bad name. Being an American does not give you the right to hate.

Ok, first off, so proud of ON for selling these shirts. Bullying anyone is hurtful in deeper ways than people understand. This charity isn’t about gay marriage, it is about acceptance and love. It is about treating everyone with the same respect you would want to have. Second, I am PROUD to be bisexual and CHRISTIAN. Wrap your head around that one. 

@Love_never_fails - I agree with you.

I think if everyone got out of each others’ faces on both sides, things would calm down a bit… at least I’m hoping, anyway…

@x3xbrowneyedbabyx3x@xanga - I’m thinking that comment was purely sarcastic… As in, not real. As in, mocking the person to whom she answered…

Eff the ignorant haters…hooray, Old Navy!

@not3000@xanga - Sorry about that then. I guess I got a little too heated. 

I think it’s wonderful of Old Navy to support it.
The conservatives who actively fight this usually turn out to be closeted middle-aged gay men anyway.
People need to open their minds and hearts.

Ever notice the gay haters actually need the gays… why do you ask? So they can at least dress somewhat reasonably…. lol. 

I’ll buy a shirt, and wear it out!
Love is Love

Go piss on someone else’s day