Hot-tempered British supermodel Naomi Campbell is furious after Cadbury mentioned her name in an ad for their newest chocolate bar. Not only is she considering “every option available,” including a lawsuit, after the company used her name in the promotion, but she is accusing the ad of being racist.
The ad reads “Move over Naomi, there’s a new diva in town.”
Campbell released the following statement:
“I am shocked. It’s upsetting to be described as chocolate, not just for me, but for all black women and black people. I do not find any humour in this. It is insulting and hurtful.”
Black rights groups are on the same page as Campbell, and the UK’s Operation Black Vote has called for a Cadbury boycott, and one member of the organization added that “Racism in the playground starts with black children being called ‘chocolate bar.’”
As for Cadbury, the company is doing damage control, saying that while the ad was “a light-hearted take on the social pretensions of Cadbury Dairy Milk Bliss” it will not be in circulation after this week.
What do you think, Lovelies? Is Campbell playing the race card, or does she have a valid point? [via Independent UK, HuffPost]
sunflower / 310 posts
But I love chocolate.
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adsholes… But once Naomi has dome time I’m sure she’ll cool off a little
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You can compare me to chocolate any day. Though, I don’t really like white chocolate.
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I think that’s being overly sensitive. I hate when “RACISM!” is yelled over stupid shit.
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People overreact to such silly things…
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really? get your panties out of a wad naomi.
every time i hear a black person referred to as chocolate its been in a positive tone.
maybe idk because i’m white.
but if someone called me white chocolate i wouldn’t cry hahah
magnolia / 1357 posts
But chocolate is so good and addictive! Maybe they shouldn’t have used her name without her consent, but I think her reaction was exaggerated.
daisy / 743 posts
Meh. She’s just mad about the part where they say “MOVE OVER.”
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I think she overreacted. But is that really surprising? lol
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I tried to post a comment, but it seems to have disappeared, and I was moved to the main page >.>
I think she is making a valid point. The colour white doesn’t immediately come to people’s minds when they think of chocolate. You have to say ‘white chocolate’ for that to happen. Naomi arguably isn’t in most people’s top five divas from memory either. Kate Perry is making news for being a diva of late. Why did Cadbury not use her as a contemporary example, someone who is fresh in people’s minds? Because she isn’t “chocolate-coloured”, it would not make any sense. So yes, racial overtones are pretty obvious. We shouldn’t therefore generalise. If a person doesn’t personally mind being called chocolate, then that’s okay. Clearly Naomi has not given such permission.
sunflower / 296 posts
I’d personally much rather be compared to a piece of smooth chocolate (as long as you get the flavor correct) than a turdstain anyday, that’s for sure. Then again, who doesn’t?
orchid / 221 posts
It’s kind of silly but at the same time, why did the ad even target her without her permission? I might be upset if I were famous and saw an ad that read, “Move over Lily, there’s a new Diva in town: Introducing better tasting mustard!” Since I’m yellow, and all. Hehe.
rose / 802 posts
I’m with @Spectrophile@xanga on this one.
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She isn’t being compared to chocolate. The ad is calling her out for being a DIVA.
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totally overreacted! i’m not black but i’m indian and have brown skin and call myself chocolate for fun all the time o.O it’s only racist if the word being used has a negative connotation. there’s NOTHING bad about chocolate lol <3 ^^ and i’m pretty sure a chocolate ad is not gonna use their own product as an insult.
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@Spectrophile@xanga - I agree. She does have a valid point.
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@Spectrophile@xanga - i totally would have picked j.lo instead of naomi…
daisy / 599 posts
@Ailean@xanga - Thank you! I agree.
I would comment on this further but last time I mad a comment about the last ad that was called racist (the Dove ad), I was flamed by about 100 angry feminists in their blog. Then they invaded my blog calling me a privileged white girl that doesn’t understand racism.
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waa waa waa boo hoo.
I’m going to get upset because I am making millions of dollars annually for being a celebrity. My life is so rough. Let’s throw a pity party for Naomi Campbell and her tortured black soul.
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i feel like the ad only used naomi’s name because she’s a well known DIVA ( as if you couldn’t tell by the way she blew up about a stupid chocolate bar ad). Off the top of my head i cant think of any other DIVA except maybe Mariah Carey(b*tch is crazy) but i think she’s part black too so i guess that would be racist too.
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I don’t think it was necessary for Naomi to get upset over ad. It’s not like the ad said the “N” word or anything that may be racist. Does she realize that the ad may not be referring to her? The ad could be referring to someone else who may have the same as her? I am just saying it is possible but I don’t know.
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I don’t think she’s overreacting. Why do they need to mention her name at all? Uncalled for, unnecessary and irrelevant.
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I served an African man where I used to work and he said I have “beautiful chocolate skin”, and thought I had some African blood in me because of it, lol. I took it as a compliment. I always thought people used “chocolate” as a compliment anyway, so her reaction is odd to me… but there must be enough negative feeling caused by this in others to warrant all those groups calling for boycotting Cadbury products and all.
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Race card. I mean, okay. I understand the issue with them using her name. While I don’t think it’s lawsuit-worthy, I can see where she’s coming from there. But when I initially look at the ad, I’m not thinking about how they’re calling her chocolate… It’s how they’re calling her a “diva”. This is just stupid.
sunflower / 366 posts
She’s being a Diva by calling them out! Show down!
magnolia / 1066 posts
I don’t think the ad was being racist, I think it was commenting on her diva (read: bitchy) personality.
POINT PROVEN.
Everything is not a race issue, dear god. if it was a racist ad it would’ve been more focused on the fact that the bar is made of chocolate or something. no. the ad said “there’s a new DIVA in town”. that’s not racist.
magnolia / 1066 posts
@shes_lump@xanga - THIS.
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Didn’t she know what she was advertising? I think she overreacted….it’s more so calling her a diva and I never would’ve gotten racist from it if she hadn’t gotten upset.
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OH GOD. THIS IS HILARIOUS.
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I understand why Naomi is upset and no she isn’t over reactting. She can react how ever she wants. A lot of people who are not black would not understand the reason why she got upset because they aren’t black and their race isn’t always being called one thing or another.
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Holy smoking wow! She looks amazing perched on that giant chocolate bunny. Any man would want a piece of that chocolate and I’m not talking about the bunny.
She’s got her Godiva panties in a smooth, silky Scharffen Berger bunch. The comment was about her being a big diva which is proven by how much she blew it out of proportion. Doesn’t take much to ruffle her chocolate truffle.
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Lol? Chocolate is pretty. She should chill!
lily / 5148 posts
Wow, completely overblown. People nowadays will use the race card no matter how silly it is. They are not calling her chocolate (oh my god. How in the world did she see that? I’m guessing she was looking for it) but calling her a diva and comparing her attitude (diva) like to the chocolate. Geez.
Though the other points are valid like her name being used without her permission..but I don’t know.
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@ScaredNLovely@xanga - I completely agree with you. It’s easy for people who aren’t black or a ‘visible minority’ (non-white) to be ‘colour blind’ and not see the offensiveness of this ad because they are not oppressed and victimized because of their race. It’s incredibly easy to say ‘this isn’t offensive’ when you’re not the victim of this ad.
I’m majoring in sociology and currently taking a course on racism at my university. Here is one of the many concepts I have learned about: In our society, there is RACIST LOVE, and RACIST HATE. But both are forms of racism none the less, and are offensive. For example, saying ‘asians can’t drive!’ is overt racist hate. Saying “all asians are smart” is racist love. Even though Naomi was called/compared to/represented by a ‘chocolate’ and some people on here are saying ‘what’s wrong with chocolate? chocolate is yummy/pretty/a good thing!’ … It’s racist love. It’s still racism. It’s still perpetuating racial tropes, even if “positive.” And it’s completely unacceptable.
Anyways, thought I’d provide a little bit of an educated opinion (not dismissing other opinions here) since I have been educated about racism and other sociological issues for a few years now at my institution.
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I see no reason why she needs to get so worked up other than the fact to gain more exposure in the media. Over here in Asia the Malays and Indians have darker skin color and sometimes they love to call themselves chocolate for the fun of it too, just like the Chinese being called as bananas or potatoes.
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Anyone who sees this ad will automatically connect it to Naomi Campbell,
just by the use of the reference “diva.” In that regard, the ad is
associating chocolate with the color of Naomi’s skin. That sends a
blatant message that it is okay to refer to women of color as chocolate
or chocolate colored. It is inciteful and I hope she is successful in at
the very least a cease and desist order. I further hope she recovers
some of the profits this company has gained from this deplorable ad.
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When did being called “chocolate” become a bad thing in the black community?
Also, she is a diva and they didn’t use her last name so they could say they were referring to someone else.
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I think it’s pretty reasonable for her to call it out.
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over-reaction
daffodil / 1525 posts
Is it just me or is it funny that they called her a diva and she’s BEING a complete diva about this?
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Shouldn’t they have asked her permission and maybe paid her?
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I’m confused. This article doesn’t even add up.
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I hate it when people blow up and shout racism for no reall reason. She is being called a diva and nothing about her race. yeah Im white as can be but I get more people make fun of me for my color than some black people. Also I know some black people that joke around by calling themselves chocolate.
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i don’t think she is over reacting. i don’t know where i stand on the whole chocolate thing though. when i was growing up, my school was primarily white and there was only 4 black children in our school at the time. they were constantly teased and called chocolate, this kind of left them really hurt….so i don’t know.
if they were going to use someone’s name, shouldn’t the company have run the ad with said person first before showing it to the world?
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Nobody would even think of racism, let alone get the idea of a lawsuit, if a white man was called “cheese-face”. On the other hand, it’s toooootally unacceptable when one black diva gets compared to chocolate. Just saying.
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hmmm, this is more personal then racial
sunflower / 437 posts
I don’t think I get why it’s racist. :S
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If I were the same race as Naomi I would consider it a compliment…choclate is a beautiful coulour. However the ad deserves to be sued as they are provoking her purposely!!!
orchid / 183 posts
It’s better being called “chocolate” than “cracker.”
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I don’t see why they needed to use her name, without her permission. That bugs me more than the chocolate reference. But then, I looove chocolate. lol And I’ve never heard anyone call a black person “chocolate bar” or anything like that before. The only chocolate reference I can think of is the kids in “Corrina, Corrina” and that was cute and innocent!
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Chocolate… sweet and melts in your mouth… yeah, I don’t mind being that…lol.
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You serious? Growing up I had a black friend (there weren’t very many because I grew up in a very Caucasian town), who’s name is Kiah. (we are still friends, though not as close, because as usually happens with childhood friends, she ended up having very different interests from me) When we were growing up I was white chocolate, and she was milk chocolate (cause she was only half black) and together we made those little Hersey’s kiss hug things. It was never an insult, and obviously not too racist, because well, we are still friends. Plus…who doesn’t love chocolate? It’s great to be compared to something people love. I’d be OK if people called me creamy vanilla ice cream too. lol It’s much better than what I am normally called. She needs to calm down.
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@annamariuhh@xanga - Nope, you’re not the only one… I think it’s hilarious! Also, way to go Naomi, people who never would have noticed this ad (me) now crave CHOCOLATE, and want to buy some Cadbury eggs.
orchid / 140 posts
I think she’s just proving their point that she’s a diva. But as a white person, I kind of feel that I have very little business saying what should or shouldn’t be taken as racist. In a way I see her point, but then again it could have been an oversight by Cadbury. I didn’t take the ad as calling her chocolate or anything derogatory (except diva) until I read this. But then, as I said before, I’m white and I’m not as sensitive and aware of racism as a black person would be. I don’t think she has a great lawsuit, though.
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I’m fairly certain people don’t know what racism is anymore.
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I just find this silly. Why is this offensive?
I’ve been called WAY worse (N**** Lover, Feather Head, Illiterate Indian, Half Breed, squaw, savage, redskin etc).
Get over it Naomi.
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@lilytran - lol @ mustard..
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My first thought was not that it was racist. My first thought was that they were calling her a DIVA… not chocolate…
I’ve only ever heard “chocolate” used in a positive manner. Like one of my friends getting complimented on her beautiful chocolate skin. If someone compared my eyes to chocolate, I wouldn’t be offended, I’d be flattered, because people generally think of chocolate in a positive manner anyway…
Obviously they came out and admitted it was a reference to Naomi Campbell, but BEFORE they admitted it, when she first saw this ad, how did Naomi herself know it was talking about her? Isn’t that a little conceited, to think that everything in the world with your name on it must be talking about you?
PS I have no idea who Naomi Campbell is
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@bmillerssailor@xanga - I agree 110%
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Put the card back in your wallet, Naomi. Damn!
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She is most definitely playing the race card. I saw nothing wrong with it, but I do think they could have picked a better ad. Annoying? Maybe. Racist? Not at all.
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the i guess she would be pissed if i called her my dark chocolate?
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@Ailean@xanga - exactly.
she can be pissed that she’s being called a diva, but they’re not calling her chocolate. in fact, she’s proving her diva status by the way she’s reacting to the whole situation.
daisy / 639 posts
Pulling the race card.
She just wants something to add to her case to make it look worse.
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I don’t even understand what she thinks is racist….
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lol are you kidding me? whenever i heard a black woman or man be referred to as “chocolate” i just thought of the shade of their skin tone. sometimes i wonder if celebrities fuss over silly things just to get more air time.
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Oh, Lord, here we go. Of all the silly things to get worked up over.
If anything, I would be upset about being referred to as a diva. Why has that become something wonderful to be described as? When I think of a diva, I think of someone who is impossible to deal with, bratty, has to have their way all the time, and only cares about themselves. Yet, for some reason, we black women love that title. Ugh.
GOSH I want some chocolate.
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As long as easter eggs are still being sold I don’t care.
Anyway, a tpoic like this, with the information that’s given..can go both ways. Peopel can say it’s legit and people can say she’s over reacting. In the end nothing will be resolved…so lets all just have some EASTER EGGS NOM <3
sunflower / 264 posts
I used to call my dad’s indian friend “Uncle Chocolate” when I was a kid. I didn’t know any better and it was totally innocent. I mean, better being compared to chocolate than to poo, right?
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First of all, the ad just said “Naomi.” It did not specify Ms. Campbell, so you could make the argument that it could refer to anyone named Naomi.
Second, even if the ad is referring to Ms. Campbell, it sounds to me as though Cadbury is referencing her reputation for, shall we say, not playing well with others. A reputation, I might add, that is well earned, and this little temper tantrum is doing nothing to alter that perception.
As the saying goes, methinks the “lady” doth protest too much.
I do see the ad as being racist. I see Naomi Campbell as being opportunistic; looking for a chance to grab some quick publicity for herself. If the Cadbury Dairy Milk Bliss bar was available in my area, I would eagerly buy one.
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She has a valid point about mentioning her name, but the ad isn’t racist. I hear black people describe themselves as “chocolate” and others as “chocolate” in turns of it being sexy. Example: The one woman on the view kept going on about wanting a stripper named “Chocolate Thunder”.
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It’s calling them both divas. If it were any other product, it’d be okay, but since it’s chocolate, she can pull the racism card. Even if it was BECAUSE of the coloring of chocolate, she’s still overreacting. Some people are too sensitive.
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I literally just came from reading a 4 page HILARIOUS thread on a message board where several black women were going on and on about how much men loved their ‘delicious chocolate skin’ and ‘wanted a bite of chocolate’ and ‘love the taste of their chocolate’ in response to a perceived racist comment. LMAO.
Sooo. Going to call BS on this one.
Maybe it’s racist to her… but there are clearly black people out there promoting the idea that being compared to chocolate is a good thing.
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Just goes to prove how much of a diva she really is
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She’s definitely playing the race card. But then, she’s an entertainer and so she’ll do anything to get more publicity. There is definitely nothing racist in that ad.
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@lilytran - are u really that spicy ?
orchid / 198 posts
She can pose on top of a choco Playboy Bunny and that’s fine, but Cadbury cannot create a catchy ad without her blowing up? Can we say “race card”?
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I’ll just say this: it’s pointless to ask White people about race issues regarding Black people. Most of the time they’ll just say something ignorant or ill informed because they probably will never understand the concept of racism because comparatively they don’t really experience it. So why bother asking a White person what they think about it? Seriously.
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@JandJinJapan@xanga - Sitting on chocolate and being compared to a chocolate bar are two different things.
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Overreacting. Big time. It took me a while to even figure out how she would be offended by that. Haha.
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damnit, now i have to get myself out of bed this morning and go buy a case of cadbury. thanks.
daisy / 568 posts
@MissAshley - oh man i’m dying at your comment because it happened to me on mommaroo too. people on here are nuts and they’ll attack you no matter what.
As for the ad, I bet if they used Beyonce, she wouldn’t have complained about it. In fact, she would have bought the Cadbury company.
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Haha the fact that she blew up makes the whole thing quite funny. Way to prove them right, Naomi.
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everytime i hear someone say something about a black person being referred to as chocolate it’s from a black guy asking if i want his chocolate lol
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I don’t see how this is racist. I’ll admit that sometimes black people are too quick to play the race card.
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Was she actually being called “chocolate” or was the chocolate being called “diva?” This is a dumb story.
orchid / 198 posts
I’ll just say this: it’s pointless to ask White people about race issues regarding Black people. Most of the time they’ll just say something ignorant or ill informed because they probably will never understand the concept of racism because comparatively they don’t really experience it. So why bother asking a White person what they think about it? Seriously. –six6vi@xanga
This has to be the most uppity, ill-informed, racist statement I have ever seen in my live long life. Six6vi, DO NOT judge a person until you have taken the time to walk in their shoes. You have NO idea what I’ve dealt with as a White man concerning racism, and before you get all hotty-totty about my retort, please keep in mind that other countries have racists and racism that is FAR more rampant than anything black people have EVER had to deal with in the USA. Further, study Irish History in the USA, and you’ll get a goooooood education on racism. The word “Mick” is as offenseive to an Irishman or Irishwoman as the “N” word is to black people….
Per your statement concerning the chocolate bunny and Ms. Cambell, there isn’t a bit of a difference. She has advertised herself on that bunny as being sweet as milk chocolate (if not sweeter); Cadbury only took the concept and put it to work for them, and she has the audacity to cry “Foul! Racism!”? After she advertisedh erself in such a fashion? Shame on her!
Please. Do tell if there is a difference (but keeping in mind the uppity, high horse, “moral high ground” attitude you are taking, I’ll be surprised to see any kind of congenial, well-phrased reponse)…
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she’s upset because they are calling out her skin tone solely and completely. It’s not necessarily unethical to do so, but it’s not smart or polite. i see her point, i don’t think she’s being over-dramatic.
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@JandJinJapan@xanga - Now who is just pulling the race card? You clearly missed the point. Your experiences of racism as a White man? Are you told by society every day of your life that you’re inadequate and that you have to work harder than everyone else to be accepted as a White man? No you are not so cut your bull shit, no one has time for your crying.
You will never know what racism looks like in the eyes of a Black person so you will forever be clueless. That’s obvious. Therefore your opinion on racism from a Black perspective is *gasp* irrelevant.
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@CaliQt009@xanga - How does she prove them “right” and about what exactly?
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@srsly__x@xanga - Want to know why it took you a while? Because you’re clueless to the cultural stigmas when it comes to being Black and being called certain things. And you’re clueless to that because you’re not Black. Duh.
orchid / 198 posts
Who’s missing what, six6vi@xanga? You obviously, in your pumped up “anger” seemed to miss what I said: The United States of America isn’t the only country where racism is rampant. To be quite honest, racism in the USA is CHILD’S PLAY compared to other parts of the world. I’ve lived in a country where, yes, six6vi, for twelve years of my life, I was told by my employers that, being a White man, I wasn’t good enough, and would never be accepted. I was forbade housing in one city because I was a White man and the housing owner didn’t trust White men. Black people in the USA are not the only ones who’ve suffered racism, and, as such, do not have the moral high ground to say who can and cannot speak on the topic of racism. I’ve probably dealt, six6vi, in my twelve years in antoher country, with more racism than you will ever experience in your entire life. So, yes, *gasp* my opinion is ENTIRELY relevant to this case. Naomi Cambell needs to grow up.
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@JandJinJapan@xanga - Who said I was angry? Or did you just assume that because I’m Black?
And what country was that? Because I’m pretty sure you’re lying. Either way, it doesn’t make racism acceptable, nor worse for you or White people in general. It has nothing to do with a “moral high ground.” Racism is racism. And since you’re such a victim of racism you should have understood that, but since you don’t it’s obvious you’re not a victim.
“I’ve probably dealt, six6vi, in my twelve years in antoher country, with more racism than you will ever experience in your entire life. ”
Actually since I’m over 12 years of age, you haven’t. And your opinion is still irrelevant to Black conceptions of racism. Get over it?
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oh come on..the ad was referencing DIVAS, not race. she needs to get a grip.
however, they prob. should have asked her permission to use her name..obv. they didn’t.
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@JandJinJapan@xanga - Nice edit of the comment, after blatantly insulting me yet again.
orchid / 198 posts
six6vi@xanga - see above…thanks….
orchid / 198 posts
You know what, six6vi@xanga - you seem a very intelligent and confident lady, and I appreciate that. I’ll admit that my first responses to you were a knee jerk reaction, and my sincerest apologies for them. I lived in Japan for 12 years. During the entire time, every day I was there (and later, after I married my wife, she, too) I dealt with unimagineable racism at one level or another. I was told that, no matter how well I learned Japanese, no matter how much I understood the culture, no matter how integrated into Japanese society I could become, I’d never be good enough. My wife, who’s Korean, was called so much worse. When I lived in Hokkaido there was a Kerosene Spill at my apartment, which made my life miserable and my apartment unliveable. I sought a new place, and was told, at the first place I tried and wanted to move into that I couldn’t because I was white and foreign, and the owner didn’t trust foreigners, especially white ones (in Hokkaido there are a lot of Russians who come over looking for work).
Now you can believe all of this if you want, and you can still say my opinions are irrelevant if you wish. But honestly, I’ve seen the face of racism, and it is ugly, and evil, and intolerable. The Japanese killed 9 million Chinese during World War Two simply because they were Chinese. There’s an old Japanese saying that goes, “Its so easy even a Korean can understand it”. I’ve been called gaijin so many times I’ve stopped counting (and no matter what Japanese people here in the good, ol’ US of A tell you, gaijin does NOT simply mean “foreigner”; it is akin to the “n” word for black people).
Now I appreciate your candor, your emotions, and your feelings about this. You seem a very capable and intelligent young lady, and your article on your site was very well written and thought out (the one concerning this particular episode). I disagree with the racism charge, in that this candy ad was nothing more than Cadbury taking on Ms. Cambell for her Playboy Chocolate bunny photo shoot and other divas in general.
Again, my apologies for my earleir, emotion controlled words. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my posts….
Have a blessed evening….
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@JandJinJapan@xanga - Unfortunately I’ve had similar experiences in Japan, as does my brother who currently resides there. I think it’s interesting that Americans are such rabid fans of Japan because they don’t realize that the sentiments towards people who aren’t Japanese aren’t exactly the most pleasant. Even Japanese Americans are given the same treatment.
Having Japanese blood in me I truly wish it would change but I don’t see that happening any time soon. I apologize for assuming that you have never been through racism, but seeing as you have I am glad it allows you to understand that to an African American it can be seen as an issue even if you don’t agree with it. Most Caucasians don’t have your experiences honestly, especially if they haven’t left the country. In the end I assumed you were just talking about experiences in America.
It’s also discouraging that when I see something that can be seen as racist (and validly so) that so many Caucasians respond to this with the same thing that Black people ALWAYS have to hear: “you’re just pulling the race card” or “black people need to get over it.” It says to us that in reality our feelings and opinions don’t matter, and that if we’re discriminated against and recognize it we’re simply being crazy or just out to put ourselves on some moral pedestal. This isn’t true in all cases, of course, but we are obviously far more vocal about these things because we’ve been taught since birth that we’ll have to deal with it and it isn’t right.
Thanks for reading my entry, too. I feel like just a few comments can’t express my sentiments in the matter and I appreciate you taking the time to read it. =)
orchid / 198 posts
six6vi@xanga - Yep, yep, and yep. I had students in Japan who were dcalled “gaijin” and were shunned by even their closest friends for bothering to study in the USA (they went to high school here, two of them did). One of my best friends in Japan was also shunned by his peers for daring to get a Bachelor’s in the US (as did and was his sister), and my Japanese mom was not only shunned, but totally disowned for spending “too much time” in her Studies in England. Fortunately, the younger generations are seemingly doing better with regards to racism in Japan. It’s hard to swallow often because the Japanese can be such sweet, sweet people.
Basically racism is stupid.
Thank you for your replies, and there’s no need for you to apologize. My words were hars, and I am sorry that they were so….
Have a great evening….
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@JandJinJapan@xanga - Have a great evening yourself =) See you around!
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I think she proved Cadbury’s point with her diva-like reaction.
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Just a question: Am I supposed to be offended if a blue-eyed model is used to sell sapphires?
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@six6vi@xanga - Excuse me? Relax. It took me a while because when I looked at her, I immediately associated her with the word Diva, not chocolate. That was the last thing on my mind. Sorry for noticing beauty before skin color. Oh, and fuck off.
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@srsly__x@xanga - Shut the fuck up you fake bitch.
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okay, now that i’ve had my piece of chocolate. let me pick this thing apart.
1)naomi campbell should be thankful of cadbury to even mentioned her name, lets face it, she’s just a “has been” its not like people are wild about her these days, and besides, cadbury had millions of other black female actresses/models to choose from. but they picked her.
2)if it were some other famous black celebrity, im sure they would of handled the situation with more finesse.
3) she’s just mad because no one tells Naomi to move over, nor is anyone allowed to openly declare that she’s a diva.
4) its not really raceist when your comparing someone to tasteful luscious irresistible chocolate; personally i think white people have it worse, i mean who wants to be compared to a cracker?
5) she can sue them for using her name against her knowledge, but that’s pretty much it.
6) its not like they are calling her out and teasing her as “chocolate!” its a nice classy add that actually accentuates her,
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@six6vi@xanga - Hahaha, nice comeback. =].
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I think she’s overreacting, but I can see her argument. More power to her, I guess.
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that’s absurd. they’re not calling her a chocolate bar, they’re
calling her a DIVA, because the product is comparably higher quality,
and chocolate is commonly associated with both women and luxury, which
equates more or less to a diva. Naomi has no right to call racism on
this advertisement simply because she’s apparently incapable of
properly interpreting grammatical structure. if everyone just learned
to fucking read, the world would be a better place. I swear 95% of all
the world’s conflicts are rooted in miscommunication…
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I think she’s completely over reacting. And to all the people commenting on here saying oh white people can’t understand because they aren’t black. They haven’t had to face shit for being white or whatever. THAT’S pretty racist of you assuming white people don’t get shit for being white or asians don’t get shit for being asian.
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@lanney@xanga - Is sapphire a racial slur that blue eyed people hear all the time throughout childhood?
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It’s just a marketing ploy. She’s just bringing more attention to the product, I’d say. That’s just how I see it.
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@boilingicicle@xanga - wooooord.
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@six6vi@xanga - I have never heard chocolate used an an insult, just as a description. I’ve been called milky-white as an insult, but it wasn’t racial, it was personal. I guess it’s an experiential thing, but I just can’t see it as being about race at all.
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@lanney@xanga - Of course you can’t see it about race because it was never directed towards your race. I think that’s something that people on this post don’t seem to understand. Just because you don’t recognize the negative stereotype behind being referred to in such a manner doesn’t mean the stigma doesn’t exist. I recognize it, Naomi recognizes it as well as many other African Americans that have heard it used against them.
Why should that experience be any less real just because you think chocolate is delicious?
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@jazbajunoon@xanga - You do realize that the slur against White people “cracker” is not in reference to the food right? It’s in reference to the sound of the whip that slave owners used. I’m not sure if your statement is supposed to be satirical but it just came off as ill educated.
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@six6vi@xanga -. It’s not that her experience is invalid because I haven’t experienced it. It’s just that, it seems like a lot of people have only heard it used in a positive way, so how could the producers be expected to know it would upset anyone when this commercial doesn’t use it derisively at all?
I also didn’t know the etymology of the term “cracker.”
It doesn’t seem like any kind of a problem if a friend walks up to me and says, “Hey, Paleface, how are you?” but I would be offended if someone said, “Hey, Paleface, go back to Europe!” and threw rocks at me. That’s the issue here. It’s seems that people expect us to pretend that everyone is exactly the same in order to not be accused of hating them because their ancestry is different than ours. If no one is trying to put you down in any way, yelling “racist” at them just creates further division.
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@lanney@xanga - You say a lot of people have seen it used in a positive way. You should pay attention to the demographic of the people who say have only used it in a positive way; mostly Caucasians.
“It doesn’t seem like any kind of a problem if a friend walks up to me and says, “Hey, Paleface, how are you?” but I would be offended if someone said, “Hey, Paleface, go back to Europe!” and threw rocks at me. That’s the issue here. It’s seems that people expect us to pretend that everyone is exactly the same in order to not be accused of hating them because their ancestry is different than ours. If no one is trying to put you down in any way, yelling “racist” at them just creates further division.”
Being ignorant of existing race issues causes further division. What was done was racist, whether Naomi overreacted or not. The deed has been done. Keep in mind that Caucasians are the dominating race. To be blunt, “pale face” isn’t nearly as big of an insult when the entire world is telling us that being pale is far more beautiful than being Black. You’re not being discriminated against for being lighter skinned or deemed less attractive. She’s also a model; it’s no secret that African Americans in the modeling industry go through a hell of a time because of their complexion. Whether Cadbury was intentionally putting her down or not, they put her down. Period.
I think it’s just a shame that pretty much every single Caucasian person that has commented on this topic has absolutely no fucking insight when it comes to the fact that you won’t get it because you’re not Black. And if a Black person tries to explain it to you, all you seem to think is “Oh she must be crazy because she’s playing the race card right now” and you refuse to learn because you were probably taught to avoid these issues and assume that all Black people are just waiting to be offended. THIS ALONE causes a lot of the division.
How is it that so many of you lack any type of sense of perspective or reality??
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@hunger_isbeautifulxx@xanga - 1. Who said anything about Asians? and 2. Who said White people don’t get shit for being White? Are you honestly trying to put up discrimination of Whites at the same level as other minorities because if you are then you’re far more clueless than expected. Believe it or not things ARE NOT even.
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@six6vi@xanga - So, if pale is so popular, why all the tanning salons?
“Pale face” is what Native Americans called my ancestors. It’s not about attractiveness; it’s about my racial ancestors oppressing their racial ancestors. So apparently you’re being discriminated against because your skin tone is ugly and I’m being discriminated against because I’m a tyrant.
Really, you still think white people are dominant? Our President is half white and half black. Congress is predominantly white because the population is predominantly white. More rich people are white because they had a head start on building family fortunes. The country is doing the best it can.
If it’s truly impossible for white people to understand, why do you try to hold us to your standard?
You think it’s justified to call us out for something we had no desire or intention to do?
The ad is showing off that color as sexy and desirable, so how is that a put down?
Maybe you just need to publish a list of words and comparisons which are allowed and tell us how much more racist people have to be towards whites before we’re allowed to get upset about it.
Whatever, let me just say, I wish I had skin as gorgeous as that of the woman in the picture, and I hope that doesn’t make me racist.
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Chocolate = delicious, luxurious, rich, creamy, and wanted by almost everyone.
Naomi Campbell = worst temper tantrums ever. I can see why she doesn’t think it’s a fair comparison *shrugs*
The only thing she should have a problem with is the fact that they used her name (which she should have trademarked by now) to promote a product without compensating her financially.
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@lanney@xanga - Ok everything you just said … was mind bogglingly stupid. If you honestly think for a second that Caucasians aren’t the dominant race in America you’re in fucking denial. And unless your entire ancestry is British your ancestors weren’t called shit.
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@six6vi@xanga - Yeah, whites are dominant here because there are still a lot more of us, how else is it going to go? No one is dominant over anyone else just because one is white and one is black, though; that’s the point. That’s what has changed.
I’m not sure just what the deal was with that last sentence, but yes, my ancestors were called shit; most of them were Irish. However, that’s got nothing to do with me, and I also have no reason to be offended if a red-headed model is on a catnip commercial, no matter how many people I know have been referred to as “cat-lick.”
But I know how it is. It’s ok to treat someone unfairly as long someone possibly related to them was unfair to you first.
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@lanney@xanga - No honey I’m not even going to bother speaking to you. I’ve highlighted your ignorance in an edit on my latest blog because you proved the point I was trying to make – you’re only bent on covering up your own ass and you ignore the real issue. You’re a fake, lying bitch and you’re in denial and that type of ignorance I will never appreciate. You have failed to read, comprehend, and respond to anything I’ve ACTUALLY said, and have decided that I think it’s fair to discriminate against White people? Where the fuck did I say that? Oh right nowhere you dumb cunt.
I don’t need your bull shit lip service bitch, you have deliberately ignored the issue and tried to make me feel guilty for bringing it up? Too bad, it didn’t work. How embarrassing for you.
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@lanney@xanga - Also, if you were even REMOTELY aware of the fucking racial slur cat-lick for Irish people that’s in reference to being fucking CATHOLIC. IT DOESN’T HAVE SHIT TO DO WITH CATS.
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@lanney@xanga - Seriously, I know you don’t realize how stupid you sound right now, but it’s not helping your case. People like you make me think the worst, and you’ve proven to me that yes, White people will be dumb shit fucks forever. Is that what you want to hear from me? Hm? Did you want to be victimized so you can cry about it? Huh? Well there you go. Yes you are fucking ignorant because you were born that way and have been raised to be a dumb piece of shit. You’re welcome.
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“Are you honestly trying to put up
discrimination of Whites at the same level as other minorities because
if you are then you’re far more clueless than expected. Believe it or
not things ARE NOT even.”
Maybe I misunderstood that.
Ihave done my best to respond to what you’ve said, but I just cannot see your point of view. I feel like, no matter how hard I try, I will never be able to satisfy you, and I’m sorry for that. I’m just happy that I have managed to never racially offend any of the people I know.
Perhaps the cat commercial was a bad comparison. I know it’s an assumption that all Irish were Catholics and it was a play on that. All I’m saying is, a lot of people have been called a lot of things, and it’s very frustrating to just out of the blue be reviled for something with no malice and no condescension intended in it.
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@six6vi@xanga - You’ve convinced me to educate myself. My cousin is black, so I’ll see if she has time to teach me some things.
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@lanney@xanga - Please, don’t talk to me. You’re not the type that can learn.
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@six6vi@xanga - I don’t know. My cousin teaches school; she might be able to help me!
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@lanney@xanga - Die in a fire you stupid cunt.
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@six6vi@xanga - YOU said white people don’t get shit for being white. oh gosh you literally crack me the fuck up. How ignorant can you be? Oh gosh and black people wonder why they’re stereo typed.
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@hunger_isbeautifulxx@xanga - 1. Where. 2. “Oh gosh and black people wonder why they’re stereo typed.”
And you wonder why the rest of the world thinks White people are ignorant. Wow.
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@six6vi@xanga - lmaooooo. yes sweetie so ignorant that’s why i have black friends
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@hunger_isbeautifulxx@xanga - Oh so the typical “I have Black friends” thing that White people say to excuse their ignorance towards African Americans. lol Fail.
I noticed you conveniently didn’t respond to my question either.
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@six6vi@xanga - i’m not ignorant. and truthfully i could give two shits about answering your questions. And how do you even know what race I am? hmmm? exactly.
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@hunger_isbeautifulxx@xanga - So in short you can’t point out where I said White people deserved to be hated on for being White and you’re just full of shit. Also hunger is not beautiful, you dumb cunt. ;x
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@six6vi@xanga - vaffanculo (:
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@hunger_isbeautifulxx@xanga - você é muito feia para foder.
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@six6vi@xanga - BECAUSE the situation is dealing with “food”, i.e. chocolate, i used the term cracker. dont you understand a joke when you see one? lol, lighten up.
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LOL I’m sure that she isn’t offended by them using her in a chocolate ad, but more of them calling her a ‘diva’. I love Cadbury chocolate and quite frankly, I see nothing wrong with them using it in the advertisement. I mean, there are many more Naomi’s out there…. all they need to do is find a dark skinned woman named Naomi to make a cameo in the ad lol and problem fixed.
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@six6vi@xanga - It’s nice to see someone who “gets it.” And nobody has even tried to address the fact that the backlash against her is ALSO racist. They’re telling her she needs to shut up and stop “throwing a fit.” Seriously?! People just aren’t willing to see the problems right in front of them.
I think it might be a good idea for more people to read some Tim Wise. Denial of white privilege is a problem in our country.
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i don’t live in the uk so maybe she’s more high-profile there, but when i think ‘diva,’ naomi campbell isn’t the first name that comes to mind, so the choice to use her name is a bit strange, and the obvious connection is that both she and the chocolate are brown “/ i say, bad move, cadbury.
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@jazbajunoon@xanga - It was horrible, work on it.
@arenfro@xanga - It’s good to see that someone not of color understands what I’m saying, the rest of these idiots are in denial because they don’t want to address the problem .
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@six6vi@xanga - and i care what you think because???
oh yeah, thats right i dont!
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i describe myself as chocolate. sweet and dark. Whats there to be offended about?
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well, now EVERYONE knows about this chocolate. good job, naomi, way to act like a diva and promote the brand/product for them.
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When I think of a DIVA…. I think of Naomi. She lived up to her name by freaking out over this. If the add would have shown the flavor that has white chocolate in it would she have been just as mad?
Now…. she has a point that she should have asked permission for her name. That was wrong and I think she has every right to be upset that she didn’t give consent to use her name. That is her brand and she worked hard to make herself a household know-me-on-a-first-name-basis name. However, I have a feeling if she was offered a cut of the profit for using her name, her tune may have been different.
What other diva could they use? I don’t think Katy Perry isn’t a big enough star to count as a diva… she still needs some time to claim that honor (and yes, I think being deemed a world famous diva is an honor). The other popstars of today just don’t do it for me as a diva. They seem more like party junkies… not divas. Mariah Carey is a new mom, lets give her some peace. Whitney? She is old news. Jennifer Lopez? I don’t really see her as big of a diva as the others, she seems to laid back to me to actually be a diva. Tyra Banks? She wishes she were a diva. World famous diva’s just happen to be black. They are not divas because they are black…. and being black does not automatically make them a diva. It is their personality and their behaviors that made them vamp up to diva status.
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@six6vi@xanga - Okay I want to ask you something without being called a bitch, intollerant, ignorant, or anything that you lash out when people try to have a conversation with you.
Just as a white person cannot fully understand what it means to be black and be subjected to the negative treatment a black person faces… how can you fully understand what it is like to be a white person and face the negative treatment a white person faces? Just because you are white does not mean you are clear from all types of racial slurs. There are racial slurs for white skin…. failing to recognize those is pretty racist.
Being white, I have been attacked with comments about my skin color and how pale I am. I constantly am told how I look like I’m dead or I’m a ghost or how I must show up as transparent in pictures. I have had people take pictures with me, turn around and look at the picture, and start busrting out laughing because I look like I’m “glowing” because the flash has made me look even more pale. It is hurtful. I have had guys tell me I’d be “hotter” if I wasn’t so pale. I have found out later that a guy I was interested in wasn’t into me because I looked like a “dead person” and that just didn’t do it for them. Some people think when they tell me how “milky-white” my skin is they are giving me a compliment, when really I find it as an insult. I don’t think being compared to milk is nice, I don’t want to be as pale as milk and I hate that people think I am.
I have felt this all my life. In high school I used to tan not because I thought it made me look better, but because I was ashamed of how pale my skin is. I didn’t want to be called milky-white. I didn’t want to be compared to a dead corpse. I stopped tanning because I know it is bad for me, and I don’t feel like I should have to subject myself to possible giving myself cancer just to be a skin tone that people don’t call names.
I am not trying to gain any sympathy. I recognize that there are differences between being a black person in today’s margainalizing society. However, if I can recognize the differences… isn’t there a way for you to recognize the similarities? Hurt is hurt. Name calling is name calling. Feeling ashamed of how your skin looks falls on all colors… not just people who are black. I agree that being comparaed to chocolate may not be something every and/or any black person wants…. even if the person comparing them has the best of intentions. Just as being compared to milk isn’t appealing to me, I ask that you take a second and accept that NEITHER races will ever be able to understand what the other goes through.
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@mydearparker@xanga - “Okay I want to ask you something without being called a bitch, intollerant, ignorant, or anything that you lash out when people try to have a conversation with you.”
Then don’t say anything that would merit that response like most people have. Let’s see what you have to say.
“Just as a white person cannot fully understand what it means to be black and be subjected to the negative treatment a black person faces… how can you fully understand what it is like to be a white person and face the negative treatment a white person faces? Just because you are white does not mean you are clear from all types of racial slurs. There are racial slurs for white skin…. failing to recognize those is pretty racist.”
Actually the definition of “racist” is to think one race is superior over another, so don’t be that type that just slings around the word “racist” without even knowing its meaning. And in response to this, I never said there weren’t racial slurs against White people now did I? Reading is essential.
Also keep in mind that throughout history Caucasians have been the dominant race here, period. You were never, EVER, EVER, put down like other races have been. You have never been in slavery in America. You have never been put in an internment camp. The list goes on and on. To sit there and try to deny that your White skin gives you an advantage in this country is just plain ignorant.
“ I have had guys tell me I’d be “hotter” if I wasn’t so pale. I have found out later that a guy I was interested in wasn’t into me because I looked like a “dead person” and that just didn’t do it for them. Some people think when they tell me how “milky-white” my skin is they are giving me a compliment, when really I find it as an insult. I don’t think being compared to milk is nice, I don’t want to be as pale as milk and I hate that people think I am.”
A couple of people you know think your skin isn’t attractive? The entire world thinks my skin isn’t attractive, even within my race. There are jobs that I haven’t been hired for because of my skin. There are people who thought it was okay to treat me as subhuman for my skin. And this is BEYOND common in the Black community. So what are you really crying over? Oh you’re hurt? Toughen up. We’ve had to deal with it for centuries AND STILL DO. I really have no sympathy for you, believe it or not, and most African Americans probably won’t.
“However, if I can recognize the differences… isn’t there a way for you to recognize the similarities? Hurt is hurt. Name calling is name calling. Feeling ashamed of how your skin looks falls on all colors… “In Asian culture they try their best to be your complexion. In European culture what do they try to look like? Your complexion. In African and Hispanic culture? YOUR complexion. You’ve got it easy kid, you’re not comparing apples to apples and to really think that is a blatant denial of the fact that you’ve simply got it better than us and you don’t fucking appreciate it.
“I agree that being comparaed to chocolate may not be something every and/or any black person wants…. even if the person comparing them has the best of intentions. Just as being compared to milk isn’t appealing to me, I ask that you take a second and accept that NEITHER races will ever be able to understand what the other goes through.”
No, I will not accept that. Why? Because to accept someone’s willful ignorance is a dangerous concept. You may never know what it’s like to be in my shoes through experience but if I give you the privilege of telling you, you better fucking listen. Ignoring it or trying to put it to the side is simply blissful ignorance and if I can be educated and angry about the state of the world then you can to, and do something about it. I will NEVER be accepting of ignorance, period.
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@six6vi@xanga - Racism isn’t just thinking one race is superior. Racism is also the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race… I have had SEVERAL people tell me that because I am the shade of white that I am I must have specific traits. Please do not assume what I have and have not gone through. I don’t do that to you…. why do you have the right to do that to me?
If you really want to tear apart every little word I said… allow me to do the same.
“The entire world thinks my skin isn’t attractive, even within my race.” -No… that is not true. People who are in love with Beyonce, Tyra, (and to touch back to what this article is talking about) Naomi, and other gorgeous black woman who think they are hot as any woman on this planet would beg to differ. There are people in the world that think darker skin is beautiful. I think dark skin is something to be desired. The most attractive real life woman I have ever met in my life is the mom my prom date. She has very VERY dark skin. She always wore bright colors and it made it look even more incredible. She looked elegant and graceful in my eyes and when she smiled she was flat out stunning. I am sorry if you’ve never met people that find the color of your skin attractive, but I know there are several people that do. If you’d like… I can give you some names of people you can connect with that can tell you that your skin IS beautiful. Sounds like you need that. Your skin IS BEAUTIFUL. I am so sorry no one has ever told you that before.
Yes, I have never been a slave in America. Have you? If so… I am so sorry. Please, I would love to help you contact the authorities and put whatever ASSHOLE put you in those means to rot in jail. However… my ancestors were put into slavery. Again, please do not assume to know me or what I have and have not been through.
I didn’t deny that being white has advantages. But so does being a minority…. do you know what affirmative action is? I have been turned down for jobs because they needed to fulfill their quota. When I went to apply for scholarships, I qualified for TONS of them…. except that I was not a minority.
Guess what? I have been turned down for jobs because of my skin as well. I’ve been told I wasn’t quite what they were “looking” for or that I didn’t appear “lively” enough. One person flat out told me, “Come back after you’ve tanned for 6 months… then we’ll talk.” Yet again, please do not assume to know me or what I have and have not been through.
What I’ve gone through and the teasing, assuming I must be gothic because when I dyed my hair dark brown and treating me like some sort of freak, and having to tell people I am NOT a vampire nor do I want to be one isn’t exactly what I would call being treated like a human. I’d go so far to say it was like I was subhuman. However, I specifically told you I do not expect sympathy. I do expect understanding. You tell me I need to “toughen up” but cry foul play if you are told the same thing? How is that fair? You have not lived for centuries therefore you have no claim to saying what happened when you WERE NOT ALIVE. I do not claim what happened to my ancestors who went through all sorts of hell. It is tragic what happened to them, and I thank God that I did not live during that time and I didn’t face the same fate they faced. You have no idea what I go through on a daily basis, you have no right to point your finger and say who deserves to understanding and who deserves to “toughen up” simply because you decided your pain is worse than mine. How do you really know that? You don’t know how many times I’ve been hurt because of how pale I am. You don’t know how many opportunities I’ve been turned down because I was too pale. You can’t say that my hurt isn’t as big of a deal just because I happen to be the majority race. Just because I am apart of the majority race does not mean I am not marginalized. Once more…. please do not assume you know me or what I have and have not gone through.
Exactly how did I ignore your struggle? How did I brush it to the side? I never once put you down or told you that you are in less pain than I am. I never said what I went through was harder or more severe or anything of that nature. Why should I spit hate at everyone and anyone that is different than I am? Isn’t that doing the exact same thing as what people do to me? I don’t like it. But what really do you think I should do? Start a support group for white people who are constantly put down for being “too pale”? Oh yeah…. that will go over well. I am sure people would love to see that. No, I understand that people don’t understand what I go through and never will. Instead of yelling and screaming at them and turning them off to actually get to know me…. I try a calm, respectful approach. Just because I am not given respect right away doesn’t mean I can’t extend it. Most of the time, once I gain someone’s respect…. I can make them see what they are doing and change their behavior. You might want to give it a try.
Oh and one more thing that I have been DYING to ask you. Someone talked about being called a cracker. You corrected her by telling her the real meaning behind it. I agree with you behind the real meaning. HOWEVER, does this mean when I am called a “saltine cracker” or a “club cracker” I am supposed to accept that as a special kind of whip… or can I call the name callers (who have always been black) ignorant? Or is that also something I just need to “toughen up” about?
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@mydearparker@xanga - “Racism isn’t just thinking one race is superior. Racism is also the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race… I have had SEVERAL people tell me that because I am the shade of white that I am I must have specific traits. Please do not assume what I have and have not gone through. I don’t do that to you…. why do you have the right to do that to me? ”
No, that is not the definition. Get a dictionary.
“If you really want to tear apart every little word I said… allow me to do the same.
“The entire world thinks my skin isn’t attractive, even within my race.” -No… that is not true. People who are in love with Beyonce, Tyra, (and to touch back to what this article is talking about) Naomi, and other gorgeous black woman who think they are hot as any woman on this planet would beg to differ.”
It’s obvious you’ve never taken a sociology class or else you would realize that a few people liking these women whose skin is also QUITE often lightened in their photographs is not enough to negate the fact that pretty much the entire planet has deemed our skin as less attractive. It’s a blatant realism that Caucasians seem to be in denial about.
“If you’d like… I can give you some names of people you can connect with that can tell you that your skin IS beautiful. Sounds like you need that. Your skin IS BEAUTIFUL. I am so sorry no one has ever told you that before.”
Many have actually, out of being PC or simply for a fetish, and since my race is often hypersexualized I’m used to that. Thanks.
“Yes, I have never been a slave in America. Have you? If so… I am so sorry. Please, I would love to help you contact the authorities and put whatever ASSHOLE put you in those means to rot in jail. However… my ancestors were put into slavery. Again, please do not assume to know me or what I have and have not been through.”
Oh really? Was it embedded into your mind since birth that because of your skin color you were going to be deemed inferior for the rest of your life? That you will have to work ten times as hard to get anywhere because your skin is so unacceptable you were once deemed property? Hm? No really, since birth. If you have, then you can complain to your parents for being delusional because that shit does not even apply to you. You’re in denial.
“I didn’t deny that being white has advantages. But so does being a minority…. do you know what affirmative action is? I have been turned down for jobs because they needed to fulfill their quota. When I went to apply for scholarships, I qualified for TONS of them…. except that I was not a minority.”
Affirmative action has been dead FOR YEARS because it did NOT work. So don’t bull shit me you didn’t go through shit.
“Guess what? I have been turned down for jobs because of my skin as well. I’ve been told I wasn’t quite what they were “looking” for or that I didn’t appear “lively” enough. One person flat out told me, “Come back after you’ve tanned for 6 months… then we’ll talk.” Yet again, please do not assume to know me or what I have and have not been through.”
And where was this job? At a tanning salon? And you didn’t sue for discrimination, why? I’m starting to think you’re just flat out fucking lying to my face.
“You tell me I need to “toughen up” but cry foul play if you are told the same thing? How is that fair?”
Calling out people on being racist IS a part of being tough. If you’re weak, you’re quiet, and you seem awfully the quiet type.
“You have no idea what I go through on a daily basis, you have no right to point your finger and say who deserves to understanding and who deserves to “toughen up” simply because you decided your pain is worse than mine. “
It is. Period.
“Exactly how did I ignore your struggle? How did I brush it to the side? I never once put you down or told you that you are in less pain than I am. “
We are not the same, nor are the levels of our struggle. Black people have alwaysssss had it harder, get over it. It is really fucking obvious.
“Instead of yelling and screaming at them and turning them off to actually get to know me…. I try a calm, respectful approach. Just because I am not given respect right away doesn’t mean I can’t extend it. Most of the time, once I gain someone’s respect…. I can make them see what they are doing and change their behavior. You might want to give it a try.”
I don’t care to buddy up with dumb fucks. I don’t respect the willfully ignorant.
“ Or is that also something I just need to “toughen up” about?”
Grow a pair.
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@six6vi@xanga - I looked racism up in the dictionary. I suggest you do the same. I still stand behind my answer because it is word for word what it said. To save you the trouble… just type in “define racism” on any search engine.
Actually no… affirmative action is not dead. Many companies still use the policy because it THEY think it works. The jobs I was turned down for were clothing stores, promotional sales representives, lifeguard position, a local AFL dance team, and when I was younger a local add for a person that created dolls. They did a runway where they dressed little girls in the likeness of the dolls. I was too pale to match any of the dolls, and yes there were black girls in the show. Girls who were quite dark. That was my first chance to see how beautiful dark skin is. I am quite sure there are TONS of people that love dark skin stars without them lightening their skin.
I don’t believe in a law suit would fix anything. As you so obviously demonstrate, people don’t care when someone is being racially profiled if they are white. If they are not a minority… they can be put through whatever treatment because they are white and they just need to “grow a pair” as you so eloquently put it.
Not all quiet people are weak. They are just smart enough to know when and when not to use their words. I like to believe in quality of speech, not quantity. Do you realize how often you stereotype people? “If you’re weak, you’re quiet.” Always? Really? Why must to put labels on everyone for every characterstic they have? Why is it so hard for you to grant people the same treatment you scream for yourself? If you so demand people to be “strong” and voice their opinion then let me state I feel that YOU are racist towards white people. You seem to have no interest in getting to know anyone that may have a different opinion than you while still maintaining a respectful and non-offending tone with you. Until my last statement, I have not said one mean thing to you. Yet you have clearly been nothing but harsh to me. How is that fair or just?
You never answered my questions. You just ran your mouth over and over how being black is tougher. I didn’t deny that. I never once said you were wrong. I just asked you questions as to why you think a white person can’t feel a similar kind of hatred? I asked you to calmly explain yourself and somehow you cannot do that…. why? Please, take a breath and provide answers that are not riddled with insult and hatred. You demand change… why don’t you start with yourself? If you want people to see what you see… then explain it to them in a way that won’t shut their ears off. If someone used such hatred language to you would you really listen to a thing they said?
Oh and I really really want to know your opinion on the saltine cracker comments. If you answer only one thing…. that is the only question I ask you.
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It’s funny how I’m reading comments from my fellow black people, and I agree. i don’t necessarily take being described as chocolate as a compliment. I love chocolate, yes, but I would rather not be described as a delicious sweet by the general public, because I am a human being.
Therefore, I can understand Naomi’s position on this. Even though I dislike her as a person, her point is valid. Maybe if you were being refered to as chocolate, you would understand… It’s similar to a white person being called a cracker, no?
“Move over Twiggy, there is a new cracker in town~!”
I mean, really?
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@lanney@xanga -
I like your thinking, very considerate and knowledgeable~!
btw, I’m black
orchid / 121 posts
@six6vi@xanga - Bahaha wow. Just wow. Way to class yourself up and block me because you can’t defend ANYTHING you said to me. I guess it is hard to defend calling someone all the horrible things you called me. I really hope you find peace.
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@mydearparker@xanga - There’s a big difference between someone saying “Wow you’re really pale, gross” and “Wow, you’re Caucasian, gross.”
How come you don’t know the difference? I’m White and I know the difference. It sounds like you’re just looking for pity.
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@stuffandthingspoop@xanga - Is there a big difference between saying, “Wow, you’re really dark. Gross.” and “Wow, you’re African American. Gross.”? Becuase I think both are racist comments.
@mydearparker@xanga - You opened up a can of worms and that you will never close. While I get your point, racism does happen to Caucasians, it is no where near what any other minority faces. So you will never get anyone to feel bad for something you’ve experienced because you are white. If you don’t like being so pale then go lay out in the sun and get a grip.
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@dont_look_for_me@xanga - The difference is that some people just aren’t attracted to certain things. If you’re not attracted to certain eye shapes, mouth shapes, skin colors, etc, it doesn’t make you racist because that sense of superiority over people with these traits isn’t there, right? But saying that someone is unattractive due to the fact that they are a certain race is worse than saying you have a preference. Not to mention it’s very general, general enough to fall into the category of stereotyping.
It’s a fine line between the two, but it does still exist. My point was that even though mydearparker has encountered people who aren’t attracted to how pale she is, it doesn’t mean that they’re absolutely disgusted with Caucasians and find them lowly.
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I think both of them should lighten up actually. I don’t understand how the chocolate could be a diva… Unless if they had a huge promotional campaign for the chocolate being a diva, I don’t understand any other connection. Mayhaps I’m missing a connection, but I think they could have taken it from another angle, probably…
That’s like saying “Finger Lickin’ Fried Chicken! Come on, Oprah! You know you’ll love us!” Which way are they trying to go. Hmmm?
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@kyessa@twitter - You must have time on your hands because that is not the way I ever intended it to be. I apologize if you read it into it that much, but this is Lovelyish, not the Washington Post and I don’t think I need to filter out all the political incorrectness that may be seen a certain way. Have you heard of sarcasm? Yes, my reply was using the comedic device. She is black. There isn’t any denying that. I didn’t mean her “soul” was “black” though. Haven’t you ever seen the movie Ten Things I hate About you? I’m pretty sure the teacher says something like that. The teacher who is black. But I guess because I’m white i Have to make sure that I keep my mouth shut when it comes to anything involving race. Again, I’m sorry you took the time out of your day to come up with this reply to a silly comment that was supposed to make people laugh or ignore it. Either way, you explanations to my statement are ridiculous and untrue.
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I’d seen this ad online independent of knowing what Naomi said about it and I just thought it was talking about… being a diva and things like that… I never connected it to race.