A senior Egyptian general, after previous denials, has admitted to performing “virginity checks” on female protesters who were arrested following the political demonstrations in Tahrir Square back in March.
Amnesty International says that the women were “beaten, given electric shocks, subjected to strip searches while being photographed by male soldiers, then forced to submit to ‘virginity checks’ and threatened with prostitution charges.”
The so-called “virginity tests” were performed in rooms while numbers of male soldiers watched.
Disturbingly, the general defended the horrendous practice by shaming the women, saying: “The girls who were detained were not like your daughter or mine. These were girls who had camped out in tents with male protesters in Tahrir Square, and we found in the tents Molotov cocktails and (drugs).”
OH! Okay.
Says the Atlantic:
He then offered the bizarre rationale that the virginity checks were done so that the women would not later claim they had been raped by Egyptian authorities. “We didn’t want them to say we had sexually assaulted or raped them, so we wanted to prove that they weren’t virgins in the first place,” the general said. “None of them were (virgins).” He did not further explain this confounding logic.
Can you even imagine being beaten and forced to submit to something so humiliating? Surely we have our own issues with sexism and misogyny in America, but at least ours isn’t so pervasively sanctioned by militias and government. In a society where women are freely beaten and humiliated and treated as property simply because of their sex, I’m not sure where you would even begin to change the horrors that exist.
To learn more or donate to human rights campaigns, visit Amnesty International or MADRE.
magnolia / 1369 posts
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Extremes in any religion and culture, treating people in inhumane ways, these things make me really depressed in life…
dahlia / 2103 posts
Wow. Just…wow. This is sad, sickening, and infuriating. Thank God I don’t live in a place where stuff like that is allowed by the government.
I think that all officials who participated in and/or viewed such “virginity checks” should be castrated and/or sterilized. I bet they wouldn’t like them apples very much.
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How disgusting.
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Terrible.
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Gross. Why there isn’t any feminist country where the woman perform such “virginity checks” on man.
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that is terrible..
perhaps things like these that would make the muslim brotherhood etc more popular with the masses there, as women would feel more safe etc
daisy / 734 posts
This is awful.
dahlia / 2747 posts
=__________= really… i would be a bit more lenient if they performed virginity checks for maybe the sake of virginity checks (because that sort of thing is KIND OF normal in that culture), but to prove that they were raped? so does that mean they raped non-virgins?
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@XoAsianBabioX@xanga - The idea that you can even perform a “virginity check” at all, anatomically speaking, is ridic.
dahlia / 2747 posts
@Jessica - i mean, it is pretty ridiculous, but virginity checks are pretty common in cultures in the middle east.
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this idiot is tryna justified that he was making sure these girls weren’t raped or sexually assaulted when indeed he was the one that ended up raping and sexually assaulting them.. i don’t understand human logic.. it’s just ridiculous and angers me that people are so damn selfish in this world.. they only care for their needs and could careless what happens to another human being let alone even see what they are doing to another human being.. it sickens me it makes not want to have kids in this world nor live anymore..
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@Jessica - Right?!
This was not a virginity check. I’m pretty sure even these ass-backwards pigs know you can’t anatomically check for that sort of thing. It was a way of humiliating women who not only dared to disagree with their politics, but with the cultural gender norms imposed by those in power. And honestly… are we now saying that only virgins are raped? Eighty-year-old great-grandmothers are raped.
These women are incredibly brave for speaking out, and I hope they receive the justice they deserve, though it saddens me to know they probably won’t.
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@Pysia89@xanga - This isn’t religious. At all. Nor is it a part of their culture afaIk, unless we’re talking about the culture of that general and the soldiers that participated. It’s part of why, well, the Egyptians finally revolted after several decades. I know Egyptians around my age (similar age as the author of this post, possibly younger, same city. interesting.) born and raised there that can tell you you couldn’t even be religious there without fear of repercussion. Yes, (Sunni, the overwhelming majority) Muslims afraid of practicing Islam in a Muslim country. The oppression of religious liberties, however, imo is not a primary reason if at all for the Arab Spring.
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@Candilicious_Meanie@xanga - Because a lot of women are both better and smarter than that? …
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@versatil@xanga - That’s interesting. Sorry, I didn’t think too much before I posted because I am completely exhausted by finals week. I meant it more as a generalization, but I didn’t actually look into this issue enough myself. That’s interesting that people can’t be Muslim in a Muslim country. Why is that? And then what is the reason for virginity testing? It would seem like that’s tied in with religion to me…
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@Pysia89@xanga -
” Sorry, I didn’t think too much before I posted because I am completely exhausted by finals week.”
No worries. Your comment was the first I saw, I vaguely remember coming across your blog before so I figure you’d be up for doing better. and finals… ugh. sorry to hear that lol
“That’s interesting that people can’t be Muslim in a Muslim country.”
It’s not that they can’t be Muslim. They can be Muslim, but the degree to which you can practice it is curbed, especially if you’re a citizen. If you’re not a citizen, then, well, don’t plan on staying very long if you’re going to be outspoken. I was in a class the weekend the Egyptian protesting started and my teacher relayed what his father told him, that he gave the khutbah (religious talk) for salatul jum’uah (Friday prayer) for the first time in over 30 years.
It was worse, or rather different, in Tunisia for example. You couldn’t pray 5x a day, you couldn’t wear hijab, you couldn’t grow out your beard much if at all, etc. It’s why after their revolution (prior to Egypt’s) people began praying in the streets! All while under a “Muslim” ruler. If you google Ben Ali you’ll be hard-pressed to read anything about religious oppression, you might find mention of political oppression/rejection, generally all you find is either distinctly Islamophobic nonsense or something about him and Islamic extremism. It’s no wonder really that we don’t really have much of a clue of what other countries are like. Seems like neither side wants that to be known.
“Why is that?”
I’m not familiar enough with the history to give you a clear answer. But in general it’s basically the governments are a bunch of dictatorial/tyrannical sellouts/puppets.
” And then what is the reason for virginity testing?”
That was just plain (well, not plain) abuse. As for why come up with “virginity testing” as an excuse? If one is going to bother justifying something that cruel with enough mental gymnastics you can come up with anything and probably even convince yourself of it so you’ve nothing to account for, let alone anyone to account to.
“It would seem like that’s tied in with religion to me…”
lol there’s nothing in Islam that says, “Check women to see if they’re virgins.” There’s no rhyme or reason to any of what they did. If they had any modicum of God-consciousness, a hand would never have been laid on any woman. If there were an actual religious cause, where are the citations, where’s the jurist* that you got your broken logic from, made up or otherwise? Where’s the due legal process? There wasn’t any. They can’t get away with all their corruption/wicked acts on the books.
*(the good ones are probably imprisoned where these people belong with the kind of treatment these people should be getting)
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@versatil@xanga - That’s quite a long explanation! Thanks for taking the time to write all that. I guess there’s a lot I don’t know about that area. I’ve had friends from SO many different cultures and countries, but never from that area, and never any Muslims for some reason…
Maybe that will be the next thing I research lol.
Also, I didn’t mean Islam in particular, I just figured virginity in general is more important the more a person is religious, if that makes sense.
The world sure is a complicated place… :/
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@Pysia89@xanga - In Islam virginity is a bit different from Christianity. One ought to be a virgin if they were leading an islamic life up til marriage, sure, but say a woman divorced or is a convert or wasn’t religious or, God forbid, was raped, that certainly does not at all depreciate her value in any shape or form. Perhaps (and probably) culturally and/or at an individual level yeah even in “civilized” parts of the world it is still difficult for women of any walk of life to avoid some sort of stigma, but Islamically as far as I know there’s nothing like that at all. Just as much as sex outside of marriage is discouraged (pre-/extra-marital), having a healthy sex life in marriage is encouraged and is considered rewarding. as for virgins in the afterlife, that’s entirely different, partially a subject of translation, something like the chosen descriptive quality that says “this creature is mine” and gives it like a human upgrade (human women when in heaven are better by far probably not even comparable, yet the descriptions of these heavenly creatures, hur al ‘ayn, well, for example just a drop of their saliva could purify all of this world’s oceans), not sure i’m describing it well but i’m trying to piece together the things i heard/read. in any case, it’s not necessarily…..simple lol.
i would probably think higher of a Muslimah who converted and had a questionable (not criminal) history than a Muslimah who was just always Muslim simply b/c the former had a before and an after. (Not to mention when someone converts to Islam they start with a clean slate.) either of their virginity doesn’t really factor into their present/future religiosity.
with that said……how you can take that…a subject of marriage…. to … “virginity checks” is completely beyond me. i can’t at all see any dots connecting between their obscene, atrocious acts and Islam. it just boggles the mind, whatever of it could think clearly after reading something like that.
the middle east is very complicated. each region having its own issues, very serious at that. some things you might just assume/speculate may unfortunately very well end up being true in say, parts of Jordan, yet have no place in Egypt or even neighboring Syria.
i don’t think it’s an accident that we feel so in the dark about things either. i want to learn, but there’s only so much learning one can do, i’d rather spend that effort learning more about Islam in the mean time as i’ve got so much catching up to do with that as well.
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Absurd. If they were raped, they’re obviously not virgins….
I’m Egyptian, and don’t even come close to agreeing with these politics.
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what i love about such articles is that whenever theres an act of injustice or violation of humanity, everyone jumps on the “Religion bashing bandwagon” WTF does this have to do with religion? mind you, the uprising in the middle east has no relation what so ever to Religion, it has to do with political oppression, crooked governments and presidents who hoard up the wealth of the country. never did it have anything to do with islam, and nor can you justify the acts of this asshole general by saying hinting that the such happened as a result of or an effect of religion. that would just be raciest and bias, sexual assault/harassment towards both men and woman can happen in any country at a time such as this one. i could waste my time and point out the many atrocities committed by non-muslim governments twords their own peoples, but people here should know better.
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@Jessica - you cant perform such a “check” there isnt one, there shouldnt be, buy the standards of Islam there isnt such a thing. this is just some pervert taking advantage of the anarchy.
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@jazbajunoon@xanga - I’m sorry – while I agree with you that it was not completely about religion, religion did play a huge role in the egyptian revolution. The “political oppression” you speak of was also religious oppression, egyptian christians were persecuted (not openly) and received house calls at 3am from police then never seen again.
I am not suggesting that it was particularly islam, however, many people do think that the particular conservative views in egypt are in part due to muslim extremists.
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@fortheloveofquotesxx@xanga - many people do think and will always think that the barbarianism, which i refuse to call conservatism, since conservatism leans more towards being traditional, and for sure, raping, molesting or checking if females were virgins or not all against their will is not apart of the Egyptian or Muslim tradition. as for the Christian/Muslim oppression that exists in Egypt (or any other country in the middle east) is almost always a result of outside influence that sets off the situation. (Egypt is on the brink of becoming the next Lebanon….) . and furthermore, when a person or a group of people commit an atrocity towards another group of people, then i think its wrong to hold the religion of the oppressor responsible.you don’t see Muslims claiming that “the Christians” attacked our country, its always “Americans” or whatever. each individual (or in this case, government) should only be accounted for their own actions.- those acts are against the teachings of Islam. that man should not be even called a Muslim (both the virginity check freak and the cops you talk about) . its people like these that bring shame to Muslims and oppositional gains. Not all the Muslims in Egypt agree with the police doing away with christian Egyptians. in the end its all Egyptians rallying against Mubarak and his govt. Christians and Muslims side by side, under one flag, or am i wrong? don’t both sides want change? there will always be good people and bad people whom classify themselves within a religion, but that does not mean that they are perfect in their religion and know every aspect of it, that does not mean that they are learned in the religion, and practice it like one should. just because a person who call himself a Muslim and does something evil, it does not mean that he has acted as a spokes person for Islam or rest of the Muslim world. nor does it mean that his actions are in accordance to Islam.
furthermore, the Mubarak government oppressing Christians has nothing to do with Islam. i suggest you look into Islamic laws on residing with peoples of different sects. When Islam first spread, when an accord was first written by the Prophet of Islam (SAW), the accord clearly stated that Muslims were to live in peace with peoples of different religion, and yes they were allowed to practice their religions and build their places of worship. -this is the originality of Islam, i suggest you do some research for your own personal enlightenment and maybe you’ll see how Mubaraks government was different from the teachings of Islam, and was influenced by greed and personal gain, rather than Islam.
i feel like i keep having to say this over and over again but the world is just really deaf or really biased.
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@jazbajunoon@xanga - Sorry, I don’t think I was clear enough! What I meant to say was that religion is involved in this because it involves people who perserve beliefs – be it islam, christianity, or anything. And then it reflects badly upon the religion as whole, which is where I think the problem lies because for some strange reason, people are now looking to fight religion instead of the actual people perversing it.
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Maybe I was blind to the horrors, but while there wasn’t a lot of respect for women and the sexual harassment was pretty bad, I don’t think women in Egypt were often “freely beaten and humiliated and treated as property simply because of their sex”. I am positive most Egyptians would see this occurrence as absolutely unacceptable, and be as horrified by the general’s actions and abuse of power as we are. If anyone else has also lived in Egypt recently and can argue against this, be my guest.
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That is horrifying… If anyone tried to do any kind of “virginity check” (however that is even done) on me, they would get a knife in their eye. I would not even think twice about killing a person in those circumstances.
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Not all virgins have hymens. They can break and tear away slowly on their own. I’m a virgin, and I don’t have one. That’s disgusting. What he means is that none of them where virgins after they where molested and humiliated, and more than likely raped too.
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@fortheloveofquotesxx@xanga - honestly, what i believe is people who can do such things have never truly preserved any beliefs, if they had then they wouldn’t be barbaric. regardless of what i think as a single person, and my way of thinking, yes the world is going to jump on the religion and ignore the person who is manipulating their faith. but atleast someone here gets my point…