As the end of my senior year slowly creeps upon me, I’m starting to look back at the things college has taught me. So many people convinced me beforehand that college was not the real world but indeed, it is. I learned this the hard way. First day of freshman year, I was certain of two things: one I could finish college and two I knew everything there was to know about college. I was wrong on so many levels. College has taught me many valuable lessons and no overpriced book was needed.
The number one lesson I got from my college experience was how to budget my money. I could stretch a twenty further than anybody I know. I kid you not. In high school, my job paid me once a week, in college that moved to once a month. Boy that was hard. I had to make tough decisions every month like if I wanted to eat take out or buy soap or buy toothpaste or the new high heels on display at Rue 21. I don’t care what anyone says, when you have dilemmas such as these, you are in the real world.
Second on my list of valuable lessons I’ve learned would definitely be tolerance. Being cooped up in a building with estrogen just flying around, I’ve learned to have a higher level of tolerance for stupidity and ignorance.
I’ll never forget the year I ran for student government vice president and at the height of our campaign, this one girl took the flier I had given her and looked at me before crumbling it up. She tossed it in the trash, looked at me standing there and slammed her door in my face. I would have been fine with an “I don’t want to vote for you” or “I’m voting for my friend.” I smiled before walking away and screaming, “Have a nice day.” I could’ve chosen to respond so much differently but I let it go. Maturity is optional for everyone.
Third Lesson. Living with new people can be so difficult. Every year I’ve had a new set of roommates and I’ve welcomed the experience with open arms. Most of the time I’m all “just give it a shot.” And when that doesn’t work it turns into four months of silence between me and a roommate or an empty bed where said roommate would sleep but because the tension is thick, she disappears. I am well prepared to live with just about anything or anyone.
Fourth lesson. I never knew there were so many perks to being a college student. You get to sleep in on the weekends, walk around in your pajamas on a regular basis and you get student discounts. Student discounts on food (for late night study sessions) and on clothing.
When I discovered that for just being a student I could shop at various stores and they would give me a discount, I wanted to jump for joy. “It’s only for full priced items” I remember the clerk at Charlotte Russe informing me and I smiled at her. She had become my angel that day that I walked out with a blue jean dress and jewelry. I like to shop and I love a discount when I can find one.
Fifth Lesson. Cafeteria food is not necessarily the greatest thing to eat. Especially if you’re like me and you don’t eat any red meat, your selections become very limited. It is possible to live off of junk food. I’ve done it for four years and avoided the freshman 15. Cups of noodles, frozen egg rolls, cookies, and an infinite supply of apple juice and M&Ms have kept me going. Every meal I create I’m pretty sure a nutritionist is dying.
Sixth Lesson. “Everything on fifth goes to downtown everything on Forbes come from downtown.” That little piece of knowledge would’ve been helpful my first year here as a commuter. It would have avoided me so many unnecessary trips downtown. First day, freshman year my first commuter experience, I caught the bus downtown instead of home, but thankfully, it circles back around. I made it home but I caught the scenic route.
Thanks to freshman year, I’ve mastered the bus system here. Maybe not mastered, but I’m so used to getting lost that I don’t panic anymore.
Seventh Lesson. Time management is simple in college, I’ve come to accept that I simply have no down time between extracurricular activities and classes. There have been many five AM nights filled with homework or the few times I’ve been told that the library was closing and I would have to layout my newspaper the next day.
It’s so hard to do everything and I just want time to relax. I used to do my homework ahead of time every Sunday but Fridays and Saturdays became filled with parties and I was always in recovery on Sundays. Time for things just fit in where they fit in.
Last but not least, college has taught me that the friends I have made here will be my friends forever. Living with a bunch of strangers, I have encountered some of the greatest, most kindhearted people I know. There have been so much laughter and craziness that these four years just seemed to float on by. It’s good to meet new people especially for a new journey like college.
There have been so many goofy times like getting in the moving carts and attempting to ride down the hall, getting stuck in the elevator, the numerous pranks, or going out for twelve hours straight.
They all have been good times that I would not and could not trade for the world. I did not expect to leave college a different person. The girl from freshman year is gone. She has grown into a beautiful, intelligent young woman with a support system bigger than she had arrived with. She speaks up for herself now, and isn’t afraid of a challenge. I started here a follower and I leave a leader.
Lovelies, What has your college experience taught you? Have you changed from the person you were in high school?
orchid / 144 posts
I’ve definitely improved my study skills and time management skills. I’ve become an obsessive flash card maker (and even discovered a site http://www.studyblue.com that allows you to make virtual flashcards, so you don’t have to spend a whole bunch of money on index cards on a college student’s budget). I also have made my school day my “work day” so to speak. I go to school every day between 8 and 3 ,do all my work there, and rarely have to do anything at home. It allows me to relax and be on top of everything.
sunflower / 392 posts
Having to move in and out of the dorms at the beginning and end of every semester taught me to pack efficiently and with just the things I need instead of everything I wanted. I can pretty much pack all my worldly belongings into my car in a days notice.
I think the biggest thing I learned was not to stress over everything. There are things you can control and things you can’t. There’s no point in obsessing, getting upset, and worrying over the things you can’t do anything about. Sometimes, the best thing you can do for your situation is relax.
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@glittershadow@xanga - Study blue is such a lifesaver!
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@shinoseishi@xanga - Please, my heart. I just moved OUT of the dorm the other day. Jeeze. So much stuff! I am definitely culling through it before I go back to see what I really need. My little bitty car was crammed, and I had already taken a load home 2 weeks before!
orchid / 191 posts
My college experience has taught me that college just ain’t worth it. It costs too much and the return investment is too little, and it’s so bad that often times you’re worse off financially if you go to college.
These days, I literally go out of my way to discourage people from going to college. It’s just not worth it.
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - It’s not worth it if you go for something that doesn’t leave you many options, like creative writing/journalism or social work. If you’re planning on going to med school, your return will be insanely huge if you stick with it and if it’s what you love
You can make a mountain out of a molehill if you work at it long enough and know the right people. Can I ask what you went for?
orchid / 191 posts
@ohforrealson@xanga - Sure. I started off as a software engineering major and a mathematics minor. Halfway thru undergrad I decided I hated writing programs and flip-flopped my major and minor, and graduated with a mathematics major and a software engineering minor.
I found employment as a high school math teacher for a year, and then I started work on a MS in math where I was supported by a graduate teaching assistantship. I only lasted 9 months until I quit that because I was totally miserable.
So I took some time off, changed careers, went to flight school, and I’ll be starting work in November as an airline pilot – a job I could have gotten without a college degree. Essentially, my BS and my work on my MS will go to waste, and I’ll never use them.
orchid / 127 posts
@StatelessPilot@revelife - So you’re discouraging people from going to college because you’re a failure and wasted your time and money.
That’s lame. Obviously you’re just a shitty person.
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@StatelessPilot@revelife – You could’ve gotten said job without a college degree, but that college degree helped you out.
College is what you make of it. There’s no way in hell I could’ve gotten as far as I have without college.
orchid / 191 posts
@Kendall - Actually, statistics are on my side. College doesn’t really net you any financial gain in the long run, on average. Check this article out:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_M3e5tqm90kfvWDU0BD4tOL
Excerpt from the post:
Consider two childhood friends, Ernie and Bill. Hard workers with helpful families, each saves exactly $16,594 for college. Ernie doesn’t get accepted to a school he likes. Instead, he starts work at 18 and invests his college savings in a mutual fund that tracks the broad stock market.
Throughout his life, he makes average yearly pay for a high school graduate with no college, starting at $15,901 after taxes and peaking at $32,538. Each month, he adds to his stock fund 5% of his after-tax income, close to the nation’s current savings rate. It returns 8% a year, typical for stock investors.
Bill has a typical college experience. He gets into a public college and after two years transfers to a private one. He spends $49,286 on tuition and required fees, the average for such a track. I’m not counting room and board, since Bill must pay for his keep whether he goes to college or not. Bill gets average-size grants, adjusted for average probabilities of receiving them, and so pays $34,044 for college.
He leaves school with an average-size student loan and a good interest rate: $17,450 at 5%. The $16,594 he has saved for college, you see, is precisely enough to pay what his loans don’t cover.
Bill will have higher pay than Ernie his whole life, starting at $23,505 after taxes and peaking at $56,808. Like Ernie, he sets aside 5%. At that rate, it will take him 12 years to pay off his loan. Debt-free at 34, he starts adding to the same index fund as Ernie, making bigger monthly contributions with his higher pay. But when the two reunite at 65 for a retirement party, Ernie will have grown his savings to nearly $1.3 million. Bill will have less than a third of that.
orchid / 191 posts
@MoonFaeEyryan@xanga - In what way did it help me out? The only qualifications for airline pilots are a Commercial Pilot License (Airline Transport Pilot License if you want to be promoted to Captain eventually), the required medical checks, background check, and type ratings in the aircraft you’ll be flying.
College degree mentioned nowhere.
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5. Wow – impressive!
Thanks for the post
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I think so too..unless you’re going in for something practical and can be applied in the real world. A lot of my friends are becoming doctors and nurses.
OP:
I learned that students are horrible on the weekends because they get drunk and trash everywhere and are very noisy. And make it impossible to sleep if you have work the following morning.
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So far I have enjoyed my first year of college, and have learned many of the things on your list! As for a waste of my money and time,I think not! I am an English major, and how dare you for insulting what I do! I might be taking a risk in pursuing writing, but I can take pride in knowing that I am pursuing something that I love.
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@curledupwabook@xanga - aww I majored in writing also. I think it was my best decision ever. I learned so much about writing and so much about myself in the four years. I think college is so worth it. Good luck chica.
orchid / 127 posts
@StatelessPilot@revelife - Heard the same argument from some WhistleBlower guy. Utter crap if you ask anyone with a lick of common sense. And statistics actually show that on average people with a college degree earn $9,879 versus those with only a high school diploma.
As for the little story, that’s be true if we lived in a Utopian world where everything turned out perfect with no unexpected bumps along the way. But in real life it’s a huge, and unnecessary, gamble to try to make it in the real world with only a HS diploma. But if you want people to risk working a minimum wage job for the rest of their lives more power to ya. I’ll be in my comfy house with my start salary of 150K a year and all the benefits you could imagine that my college degree is giving me.
You have fun flying planes though, hope your eye site doesn’t decline or your fucked:)
orchid / 127 posts
@StatelessPilot@revelife - hahaha couldn’t help also pointing out that the word “opinion” is in your link to your statistics. Maybe a college degree could have helped you realize that an opinion is in no way, shape, or form connected to statistics.
orchid / 191 posts
@Kendall - 1) Your eyesight does not have to be perfect to be an airline pilot. As long as you’re correctible to 20/20 you’re good. I wish that myth would go away. I already have a pretty strong glasses Rx and I still qualified. The only pilots that need perfect vision are US military pilots, and I would never fly for them because I hate war and I hate America (hence my departure from America and renunciation of my US citizenship).
2) If you bothered to read, you’d see that I do in fact have a college degree. Quite frankly going to college was the stupidest decision I ever made. It wound me up in a career I hated, trying to teach math to a bunch of lazy, unteachable, loser bums. Even with the curve for a C being at 55%, I still failed over half of my college algebra class.
3) if colleges would only admit the top 10-15% of applicants like they should, then maybe the college degree would be worth something again, instead of worth nothing like it is now. College should be for the intellectually/academically elite only. Period.
4) When I make it to the Captain’s seat I’ll be making just as much money as you. Also, the two richest men in the world don’t have college degrees. Yeah, it seems like non-degreed people are sure destined for poverty, LOL! Though I don’t see what money has a lot to do with it. Yor comment about your starting salary shows me you only care about money and that being rich is what makes you happy, and that’s just sad. I don’t care what my salary is so long as I’m happy. The love of money is the root of all evil, after all…..
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - Your posts are cool. Props. Also: http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-question-youre-not-asking-should-you-go-to-college/
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I don’t understand why you are so bitter about University (you guys call it college in US?? not really sure about the terms. anyhow..). Don’t you have any positive things that you could take from your college experience? There has to be something.. or you could take it just it is you know.. it doesn’t have to be all negative.
I grew up in a third world country where education system is very very poor. I loved reading but there were no good books. I don’t think people in 1st world will ever understand that sort of deprivation. I used to be bitter about it but now I understand it’s an invaluable experience in itself. I might be less then what I could be now but at the same time I am something more then what I ordinarily would be if I had the “luxuries” of the 1st world.
I worked in a highly paid bank job to pay for my University and I paid 10′s of thousands of pounds(£s) in international fees and it’s worth it even though I wasn’t a top notch student. Education should never ever be just for the elites. In my humble opinion, I believe everybody should have a chance. I did Software engineering too with AI and not every moment at University is plain sailing. It’s really hard work and at times I really hated it but it’s all worth it in the end. I don’t know, it’s like not everything that you enjoy is good for you and not everything that you hate is that bad.
PS. There are no bad students, just bad teachers.
orchid / 191 posts
@annamariuhh@xanga - That’s a rather humorous take on the issue, I enjoyed that. What they didn’t mention though is the lost savings from those years. That’s what really eats you alive. Since you have virtually no income during college, you lose out on the savings. That’s what allows Ernie in the story I referred to, to have three times the amount Bill does. He saved early.
Early savings = bigger payoff, not a fatter paycheck.
orchid / 191 posts
@AngryNuclearRabbit@xanga - “
PS. There are no bad students, just bad teachers.
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BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. Sorry, but nothing pisses me off more than students blaming teachers for their failures. It’s up to the students to learn the material, not up to the teachers to baby them and make sure they learn it. The teacher’s job is to present the material and to check understanding. There are some students that no matter what you do, will fail. That’s just reality.
The only reason students get through college today is through ridiculous grade inflation (note I said a 55% was a C on my grading scale). If I had given them the grades they deserved, only 7 or 8 out of the 40 students I had would have passed. You know what? That’s the average caliber of the college student today. My colleagues all had the same problem.
Don’t you go blaming teachers for your failures. It’s not their fault. Own up to your own failures for a change.
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Oooo and, I forgot to add, University (higher education) is free in most Scandinavian countries. In fact, I’m thinking about going to Lund University for my further studies.
I love being a student.
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - lol.. you are so confrontational it’s a bit funny. I’m not blaming teachers or anyone for that matter. Sometimes it’s not just about presenting the materials.
You could always go to a nice private school for nice bright kids to teach but it wouldn’t be that much fun would it? Well at least for me it wouldn’t. It’s a lot, lot harder to teach some kids. You need a lot of leadership skills, charisma and have the ability to inspire. You also need to understand a lot more about human Psychology. Kids from poor background (sometimes abusive environment) don’t have the privilege for even properly development their brains.
Sorry about the abrupt end I have to go watch Dr Who. Would love to discuss more.
orchid / 191 posts
@AngryNuclearRabbit@xanga - Actually, I would have probably liked that better. Bright students = less difficult students = better experience.
Alas, I got out of the education business for a reason. I’m much happier flying airplanes for a living. =)
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I’m sorry to hear that your past attempts didn’t work out for you, but they kind of did in the sense that you found out it wasn’t what you wanted. You’re looking forward to piloting (if that’s the right word)? Way to go, persevering until you find something you’re happy with. Even if your college experience seemed a waste, I’m sure you realize that for many people, even if the return isn’t great, they wouldn’t change their experiences for a thing.
@Kendall - Way to make assumptions about people without giving them a chance to express themselves. Yet he’s the shitty person?
sunflower / 405 posts
Wait, what about community/city college?
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I find it sickening that anyone allowed you to teach with that mindset. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. Students begin to love what they’re learning once their teacher cultivates their minds to align with liking the subject. No wonder you didn’t last with your teaching profession, you couldn’t relate to them or rejoice with your students. Instead, you come to xanga to berate them for being lazy.
orchid / 127 posts
@ohforrealson@xanga - hon, he wrote a whole blog expressing himself. Way to be an asshole though, how about you let me express myself first?
orchid / 127 posts
@StatelessPilot@revelife - Are you Whistle Blower? Your ideas are identical and he was just as moronic as you.
Either person, not worth my time.
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@Kendall - I was responding to what you said to the commenter, not the OP. And you’re pathetic. I already responded to what you said on Datingish, so I’ll remain consistent and just leave you with this note: people like you, the narrow minded bigots who spit on anything unfamiliar, are saddening. I won’t waste my time trying to talk to someone who isn’t even worth my two cents. Hopefully you won’t procreate, pushing your mindset on other people in that way. Fuck you and all the people I know who are like you
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Gee .. people can get really worked up here..
@StatelessPilot@revelife - Yeah it’s important that you should do what you love doing. Good luck with your piloting job.
I’d like to be able to fly too one day.. I tried gliding once but I wasn’t too good at it.. + it’s quite cold to glide in the UK.
Although, I hope one day you would have a more balanced view on education. In the previous post I didn’t mean to blame teachers. I meant it to sound more like “it’s not that impossible to teach/inspire kids”. You just need a bit more faith in yourself and see the good in people in general. I’ve heard that grades are inflated, I don’t know if it’s true but after seeing “Precious” the movie, I was quite surprised that this girl who cannot read was getting A’s and passes. I can imagine this happening on a big scale if not as bad. For this, each school should deal with their system I guess, there’s no way around it. I don’t see this should interfere too much with the kid’s learning and inspirations though because as a teacher you have control over the kids’ learning environment. I’ve never cared much about grades as a student. It’s more about how to better yourself.
orchid / 191 posts
@heartcheerxheartlax@xanga - And you’re just regurgitating the liberal, idealistic BS that pedagogists spew. I don’t believe in pedagogy/teaching theory. I think it’s a load of liberal, idealistic bunk. Either students get it or they don’t. Either they’re motivated and want to learn, or they’re not. You can’t inspire a student to learn, that motivation has to be intrinsic.
Pedagogy is just a nasty field born out of the grossly flawed ideology that is liberalism.
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - “motivation has to be intrinsic” – not necessarily.
But of course, intrinsic motivation is the most precious thing. I believe you can cultivate it. One of the important factors for intrinsic motivation is self-efficacy and this I believe can be built up. Not everyone is lucky enough to have smart parents who can create a good environment for kids to be confident and self-assured. Still everybody has the right to achieve their full potential. I think you give up on people too easily StatlessPilot but I’m glad you are not a teacher anymore.
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My daughter is still learning these various valuable lessons which
you have learned. My son, has learned, that a college degree doesn’t
mean, he’s going to get the job of his dreams. He’s still looking.
R. Hood
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - Now, I may be wrong, as I am not a pilot myself, but someone I know works for American Eagle. He does not have a college degree, and he does have a job, but he can never advance to flying the bigger jets because he does not have a bachelors degree. Therefore, he can never climb to the top of the pay scale. He also will never be able to fly for the “best airlines,” as he describes to be JetBlue and Southwest.
This does not refute your argument about loss of savings or whatever, which personally I find to be a load of shit because there are very few people who actually save perfectly as you suggested. However, I find it ironic that the job that you are making the argument for does actually require some sort of degree, if I am correct to assume that this applies to more airlines than just the few commercial airlines that he mentioned, which I assume it does, otherwise he’d be working for them.
Just because you didn’t choose a degree to pursue that fit your interests doesn’t mean that college is pointless. You seem to have some other issues underlying this strong distaste for higher education.
orchid / 191 posts
@here_without_you41@xanga - There are plenty of airlines that will hire you without a college degree, you just have to know where to look. Now, if you want to get a job in the US, yeah, you’re sunk without one, but I would never fly for a US-based airline anyway, they overwork and underpay their pilots.
I’ll take my $45K starting job with AeroMexico as a B-737 First Officer over any first-year job in the US any day.
sunflower / 499 posts
very good list
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College really isn’t the real world… at all. Yes, you can learn some valuable lessons, but for most students, it’s nothing like what life really is… and those that try to continue life as if it is all college end up being pretty sad. And you may think they will be your friends forever, but as you move away, get married, have kids, you’ll grow apart. Well, maybe facebook friends forever.
orchid / 127 posts
@ohforrealson@xanga - You’re calling me pathetic and unhappy; don’t be violently angry because somebody had a fucking opinion. You spout off about how you would rather fucking die that go with the crowd and your attacking me for saying an opinion. Fuck you and your hypocritical mindset. You are a pathetic little piece of trash trolling around the internet begging for attention, hence the attacks on other people. I’m not a bad, unhappy person. I get paid to comment of blogs and generate discussion so before you go off on your goddamn rampage, take into account what you’re reading and saying. And drop the lowbrow insults, they are pathetic and show your ignorance.
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I don’t think that means college isn’t helpful though. Like someone said earlier, if you wanted to be a doctor, that would have huge returns; in addition, it would help other people. You have to be trained to be a doctor; you can’t just DO it. I think you just picked something you didn’t like very much and it didn’t help you personally. :\
orchid / 191 posts
@Sirius_Fan_Girl@xanga - Even so, why in a school setting? Why do doctors have to learn how to analyze literature? Why do they have to know American/European/etc. history?
If college was 100% specialized, 0% “gen ed” (I think “gen ed” classes are a load of crap), then fine. But why the gen ed requirements? I’m all for doing away with the university system (and the education system in general, my philosophy of education most closely aligns with “unschooling”) and just doing specific job training in what you want to do.
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I just have to say THANK YOU! I have four days left of high school, and I’ve been panicking about college, but somehow this post comforted me beyond any advice I’ve gotten from anyone else.
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I feel you on the first one about budgeting money.I decided to go to a community college and rent an apartment nearby with a friend…damn you learn quick what your priorities are and where your money is going to go. Each of us paid $400 for rent a month. So whatever money was left over would be either for food or cleaning supplies. Taco bell and the dollar menu at McD’s were my main diet. My job has a limit so FAFSA forms are heaven sent. honestly if it wasn’t for them in one school year i’d be throwing down a minimum of $1000 for books, and that’s an extra grand i don’t have.
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@Kendall - “You are a pathetic little piece of trash trolling around the internet begging for attention”
Ow. I may never recover from that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!11!!!!!!!!!1
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I worked for Delta before coming to Japan and teaching English (I share your view on students btw, if they don’t want to learn they won’t no matter how “cool” or “fun” you try to make things) and the ASA guys made 18k their first year as did the Pinnacle pilots. Pretty pathetic really. And yes, those guys were run ragged by the end of the day.
I did ground handling, gate, counter, etc. (common at the smaller airports) and I made slightly less than they did, we all commonly worked 12-14hour days.
orchid / 191 posts
@Yoru_Kendo@xanga - Yeah, I feel sorry for the regional pilots. Their jobs truly suck, and the pay they get is absolutely shameful. It’s no wonder hardly anyone considers an airline pilot career, and why the industry may be hurting for airline pilots come the next decade or so when gobs of them will be due up for retirement.
Yeah, like I said, I’ll stick to starting on the B-737 for AM. It’s a much better deal.
orchid / 127 posts
@ohforrealson@xanga - And your maturity shows.
bye bye bitch.
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@Kendall - I love you for making my day <3
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oh, fifth and forbes avenue. pitt?
congrats on graduating!
orchid / 127 posts
@ohforrealson@xanga - Just so you know, once you’ve been humiliated turning into a creepy freak is just further proving how pathetic you are.
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my college experience thus far has been awful. i’m a freshman, and my first semester i had to live in a triple. awful. one roommate was a party-freak, obnoxious, and had a head full of air. i couldn’t stand it after she threw up in our room, so i moved out. i commute from home, which is luckily only 30 minutes away. i’m transferring next winter (change of career path). i also learned that college, and the “real world”, is just like high school just with more people. drama, drama, drama.
@StatelessPilot@revelife - that story is kind of ridiculous. the vast majority of people without college degrees end up having a hard time getting a decent job. obviously there are exceptions (my dad did not go to college, but makes a good living) but those people are, like i said, exceptions and not rules. also, if you go to a state school where tuition is probably one third to a quarter of private school costs you may not even graduate in debt at all.
like someone said, college is what you make of it. if you want a successful career in business, medicine, etc., then college opens a lot of doors for you. plus, if you study hard and get really good grades then a lot of fancy private schools (who have ridiculous amounts of money) will pay for a majority of your tuition… and not in loans. (ex; swarthmore college).
college is not for everyone, but that doesn’t mean no one should go.
orchid / 191 posts
@Rose_Hikari@xanga - If you notice, the article is pointing out average salaries for degreed and non-degreed. That’s not necessarily “good living,” if you noticed, Ernie started off at minimum wage, and STILL had more money than Bill (three times more). That’s the point, for a vast majority of people, it doesn’t return your investment. Further, it’s a testament of saving early. Putting away in savings early on is what creates wealth – NOT a big paycheck.
I had actually pretty good grades, I graduated with a (albeit dishonest) 3.59 GPA. It’s so easy to get good grades, all you have to do is cheat your way through college (like I did).
orchid / 120 posts
Ahhh I’m heading to college next year and this euphoria-feeling is not going away!!! lol
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@Kendall - I just can’t get over the attitude you have, some really shitty stuff must’ve happened in your life to make you like that, so for that I sincerely feel awful for you, having no empathy at all. You must be a sociopath. Am I right, or are you just a cunt?
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I have a lot to say to you. I am actually a math major in college right now and let me tell you, it’s been hell. Thank god I’m graduating in less than two weeks. Firstly, I used to be a dual math education major because I wanted to be a teacher. That fell through when the college jipped me of my chance to student teach on time, so I dropped the education part and now I’m just math. I’ll be graduating with a BA in mathematics. Because the math department here sucks terribly, I’ve grown to hate math with a passion. And I regret coming here for math in the first place. There are so many other things I’m interested in, I don’t know what possessed me to choose math. I mean, there was a time when I loved math and that’s why I wanted to teach it. Not anymore. It’s sad to feel like I’ve wasted 4 years of my life here. Ugh, and I’ll have loans to pay back which is money I feel this dang school didn’t even deserve with how much I suffered through horrible math classes and professors who cannot teach. I don’t know what I’m going to do after I graduate. I want to travel, I want to become a chef, I want to try modeling or acting, I want to write, and the list goes on and on. None of it has anything to do with math. Actually, I can’t say my time here was entirely wasted because I’ve become friends with amazing people. It’s really going to be bittersweet leaving here. Wow… I am venting too much but reading some of your comments almost made me cry because I feel like you know EXACTLY what I’m going through. And it isn’t just me either. Sadly, to the disgrace of this lame college, I know more than a handful of people who are in the same boat as me and who also hate the math department for basically ruining our love for math. One more thing, I agree with you on how ridiculous grading curves are. Some of the professors here are satisfied with making a 75 an A, 64 a B, and so on. Test averages are ALWAYS failing, yet they do nothing about it and at the end of the semester, they still give D’s to an entire class without realizing how badly that reflects on their teaching skill. If an entire class is consistently close to failing, obviously the problem isn’t the students. In high school it’s different of course, the kids are snots and just don’t care as much so it’s their fault if they aren’t putting in the work to deserve good grades. But in college? It just shouldn’t be like that. Okay I’m done. Sorry this is the length of a novel, haha. I had a lot to get off of my chest. If you read all of it, thank you so much! And let me know what else you have to say… I’m interested, especially since this is my life right now.
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - That article mentions an uncommon situation. Most people who don’t go to college don’t invest 16 grand, and even if they did, not all of those investments will return as well as the example. Also, most college graduates’ starting salaries are higher than $23,000. It all depends on the degree and your definition of success and ultimately, you. Some people, because of their personalities, will find their niche without college and succeed in ways other people, even with higher education, can’t. That doesn’t mean you should discourage anyone from following their own personal goals (in regards to attending college), even if you don’t have the same one. Becoming educated and bettering oneself is never a waste, and college can be beneficial in more ways than earning a degree. Networking and meeting people can take you just as far as any degree in many fields. Just a thought! No one should tell anyone their dreams are a waste and will get them nowhere. If college is a dream for someone, let them dream. Maybe their positive attitude will help them make the most of college and their degree will get them farther than yours got you.
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@violetxsky3@xanga - Wow. Sorry about all that! Sounds like a miserable experience. I actually still really enjoy “practical mathematics” if you will (stuff like Calc, Diffy-Q, Linear Algebra, etc.), but where I really started hating math was the advanced theory courses (Real/Complex Analysis, Topology, Abstract Algebra, etc.). I found the theory completely boring and far too abstract for my very concrete mind to process. I think a lot of people who start off as math majors and end up hating math do so for the same reason. Like me, they get their view of what math is completely and totally distorted when they start taking proof classes.
That might be some of what happened to you, though if you lacked a good support structure, I can see why that would make you hate it too. I’m sorry, hopefully you can find something else to fill that void. I’m having a great time flying airplanes, that I can tell you.
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@r1bc4g3k1d@xanga - Well, I didn’t do any of that in college either, LOL. I only did schoolwork. No extracurriculars, social clubs, etc., I just did schoolwork. Maybe that was my problem.
I’ve seriously considered calling up my alma mater and asking them to revoke my degree, and I might still do that, because I feel it was such a waste….
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I’m amused to see another Pitt student on here! It took me a while, too, but I am indeed a master of Port Authority.
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - Yeah, thanks. Flying airplanes does sound like a kick-ass job. But yes, you’re totally right about the theory/proof classes. I like the rigorous kind of math where you sit there solving equations and what not. I hate proving things (though I am taking an analysis class and it’s not THAT bad… but then again, the professor is a kajillion years old and goes excruciatingly slow so I have time to understand it all, and his heavy Chinese accent is distracting, yet amusing). Linear algebra is more like the stuff I enjoy. Anyways, if I weren’t so afraid of heights, I’d look into flying planes too! You keep on hinting how awesome it is haha.
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I couldn’t agree any more with you! I’ve learned all these things and not to mention, I attended California University of Pennsylvania which is 30 minutes away from you
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I knew you were in Pittsburgh as soon as you mentioned the buses and they way they go on Forbes/Fifth! Yay Pittsburgh!!!
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@violetxsky3@xanga - Oh, trust me, it is. As far as I’m concerned I have the best job in the world. What other job allows you to see the world at your employer’s expense?
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@ohforrealson@xanga - You’re continuing to attack me for a comment, not even directed at you. No I;m neither a sociopath or a “cunt”. I’m a person with an opinion different from yours. You need to grow up and realize that not everyone is going to agree with you and dropping nasty words and insults isn’t going to help your case at all. If you don’t agree with me, then realize not everyone in the world is a carbon copy of yourself or be thankful of that fact.
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@Kendall - I think that was the first intelligent, well thought out thing you said. Good thing we improve with time, right?
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@ohforrealson@xanga - I think that’s the first time you didn’t sound like a sociopath. Maybe you
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change the clinically insane, there’s always hope for you at least. Now go troll with somebody else, I’m tired of wasting my I.Q. points on you.
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@Kendall - Pathetic attitude. Not even having a decent IQ could make someone a nice person, which is so much more valuable
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@StatelessPilot@revelife - I agree that college isn’t the answer that it once was. Infact, there was recently a guy in the U.S. that offered $100,000 scholarships to graduating high school students. The catch? They had to agree to bypass college and start up a business of their own.
However, it seems you have a misconstrued view of the American airline industry. Sure, the front desk agents are overworked and underpaid. But my brother was making $80k STARTING as an air traffic controller. Also, it isn’t uncommon for even flight attendants to make $80k. I also know pilots that have part time hours by any other job standards and make $120k+
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@TheExperimentalChef@ireallylikefood - Sure, if you’re a 12th year 747 or A380 Captain (the highest level on the pay scale) I can see them making that kind of money, but realistically, how many make it to that level? Maybe 2% of all airline pilots, at most? How many of them even make it to Captain, much less? With airlines like AA, UA, and SWA having not hired new pilots in like a decade, there’s basically no room for pilots to advance beyond their current assignment at the moment in the US (and likewise, no opportunities for fresh flight school graduates to make it to the airlines). It’s a bad time to be an airline pilot in the States.