I went to college at the University of Miami, which, as you might guess, wasn’t exactly a bastion of conservative wardrobe choices. We were more shocked when girls put cover-ups over their bikinis to go to class, instead of just wandering in in a two-piece and a towel.
Some famously conservative Christian colleges, however, are more concerned with how their female students dress, out of concerns for helping men tame their “lusts” and to promote an environment of chastity for all coeds. Here are the dress codes for women from 3 such schools (you can go to the sources to see what the codes are for men!).
Bob Jones University:
Classroom/general dress consists of a dress or top and skirt; however, pants may be worn off campus and for some recreational activities on campus.
Tops
- Tops must be long enough to cover the midriff.
- Sleeves are required.
- Necklines may come no lower than four fingers below the collarbone.
Skirts
- Hemlines and slits or other openings should not be higher than the bottom of the knee.
- Denim skirts may be worn for casual dress (not to class or other professional-type events).
Pants
- Loose-fitting pants may be worn between residence halls, for athletic events, and off campus (where appropriate).
- Jeans may be worn in and between women’s residence halls and when participating in activities, such as skiing and ice-skating.
- Shorts are appropriate inside the residence halls. Shorts that come to the bottom of the knee may be worn when participating in athletics on campus.
Ease
- Clothing should be modest. Clothing that is revealing either because of fabric, cut or tightness is unacceptable.
- Clothing should be loose enough to conceal undergarment lines and not to draw attention to the figure.
Other
- Hose are to be worn whenever men students are required to wear a coat and tie (including Sunday morning worship services, recitals and productions after 6 p.m., Bible Conference and commencement activities). Dress shoes are to be worn when wearing hose.
- Hairstyles should be neat and feminine, and hair color should appear natural.
- Earrings may be worn in the lower lobe of the ear (no more than 2 matching pairs). Other types of body piercing are not appropriate. Tattoos are not appropriate. Excessive makeup is not appropriate.
- Abercrombie & Fitch and its subsidiary Hollister have shown an unusual degree of antagonism to biblical morality. Therefore, BJU asks its students not to patronize these stores, wear their clothing or display articles containing their names or logos.
Women–Dress and skirt lengths and slits should come no higher than the top of the kneecap when sitting and standing. Culottes, split skirts, and walking shorts should meet the skirt length standard and be full enough to look more like skirts than pants. Dress necklines should be modest; no sundresses or spaghetti straps. Except for participation in recreational activities and on campus on Saturdays, our ladies wear hosiery outside the residence hall. Anything immodest, tight, formfitting, scant, backless, and low in the neckline is unacceptable. Shirts with tails should always be tucked in. Styles relating to counterculture, such as hair style or color, unusual nail color, clothing, and jewelry, are not acceptable. No pants or shorts, please. Young ladies should dress in a manner that others will focus on the face and particularly the eyes, for some say, “the eyes are the mirror of the soul.”
Although the wearing of multiple earrings has become common in the world, PCC ladies are asked to wear a maximum of two sets. These should be worn in the ear lobes only.
Sunday Dress: Dresses, skirts and blouses or sweaters, dress suits/Church services, recitals, Sunday meals, Vespers forums, and seminars
School Dress: Casual dresses, jumpers, skirts and blouses or sweaters/Classes, chapel
Casual Dress: Jean skirts, culottes, walking shorts, split skirts, and tennis shoes/ Work where casual wear is appropriate, recreational activities. No pants or shorts are permitted. Jean jackets or stone-washed denim may not be worn. Swimsuits should be one-piece
and not French-cut.
Sports Center: General activities–Skirts, culottes, or loose-fitting walking shorts (to the top of the kneecap). No sweatshirts, sweatpants, jean skirts, denim, spandex, tank tops, T-shirts, caps, or writing or pictures (except PCC shirts) on clothing.
Ice skating–Skirts, culottes, loose-fitting walking shorts (to the top of the kneecap) with optional opaque tights or spandex tights. Loose-fitting nylon jogging suits may be worn. Change into skating attire in the skating area restrooms; change back to general activity attire before entering the recreation area.
Physical Education Classes: Royal blue culottes or walking shorts (loose-fitting and to the top of the kneecap), a royal-blue polo shirt, and white gym shoes and socks. The shirt, culottes, or walking shorts may be purchased on campus.
Hair and clothing styles related to a counterculture (as determined by the Student Conduct Review Committee) are not acceptable. Dresses and skirts should be no shorter than the top of the knee (sitting or standing). Skirt slits should be modest; open slits should be no higher than the top of the knee, closed slits should be no higher than two inches from the top of the knee. Shoulder straps should be no less than two inches wide. Anything tight, scant, backless, see-through, low in the neckline or revealing the midriff (in any position) is immodest and unacceptable. Slips should be worn under thin material. Earrings and plugs are permitted in ears only. No other facial piercing or plugs are allowed, including tongue.
Class Dress
Sweaters, loose-fitting tops, sweatshirts (no inappropriate logos), skirts, dresses, pants, which would include capri/cropped pants and neat jeans (no holes, patches, or tears), footwear (sandals or flip-flops are acceptable).
Class Dress must be worn in academic and administrative buildings before 4:30 pm on weekdays and in all classes, regardless of time.
Casual Dress
Shirts, neat pants, jeans, wind suits, loose-fitting, modest shorts (mid-thigh or longer), shoes (sandals or flip-flops are acceptable).
Casual Dress is acceptable in academic and administrative buildings after 4:30 pm on weekdays and in the Reber/Thomas Dining Hall for all meals.
Swimming Pool
Swimwear is only appropriate at the swimming pool. Students are to wear appropriate casual or sport attire (as stated in The Liberty Way) going to and from the pool. Women are required to wear a one-piece suit that is in good taste. Swimsuits that are see-through/mesh, expose the midriff and/or are low in the front or back or cut high on the legs are not acceptable.
Does your school have a dress code, Lovelies? Do you think these dress codes are too strict?
daisy / 617 posts
Bah, I’m not a fan of Liberty University. I only live about an hour and a half away from Lynchburg, and they are entirely too strict with their students. The student can be fined if someone they know shows up intoxicated to their dorms. I can see why they have that rule, but for real, who can control the actions of a drunk person? And furthermore, if my best friend shows up at my door drunk, Liberty wants me to kick her out? What if she doesn’t have anywhere else to go? I just feel like Christian schools put too much time and effort into keeping their students well-behaved, when they should really be focusing on their educations.
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Personally, I hate the way the Christian community practically punishes the woman for a man’s lustful thoughts. Men need to have some responsibility for their own thoughts and actions and not blame it on a girl who “wore spaghetti straps.” It’s not MY responsibility if a guy can’t control where his thoughts go. Plus it’s not like I can read minds, ANYTHING can be taken as immodest. There was this website once where guys chimed in and said what they thought a woman should wear that wouldn’t cause THEM to stumble. One guy said that when a girl exposes her CALF that he had lustful thoughts. Sorry, not my problem, that’s his problem.
I’m all for dress codes, to a certain extent, but this is outright blame shifting, and utterly ridiculous.
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@ohveryoung@xanga - Agreed. You can’t force morals on someone. You can set a good standard but punishing those who don’t live up to an ideal is wrong.
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Wow, I wasn’t aware that there were colleges that still stuck to such strict dress codes. But I guess with the whole private school thing, they can do these types of things. It’s not like you’re forced to go there, you’re aware of these things when you register.
hydrangea / 50 posts
As a BYU grad who followed the honor code, I think it’s less about “helping a man with lustful thoughts” and more of about women respecting their own bodies and dressing in a way that will demonstrate self-respect.
sunflower / 339 posts
You have got to be kidding me …
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Didn’t even read through all of this because I got so bored. This is just such a boring way to live your life, so many rules, regulations. All about the way you look?? TFG I don’t have to go to any of these schools. That would be torture.
i call bullshit!
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oh and ps. the girls in that picture are wearing HIDEOUS clothes and look bloated.
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I live in Denmark and we don’t have dress codes anywhere.. You can wear whatever you like (except for walking around naked, anything goes)
dahlia / 2382 posts
@amymichelle - I do agree with you on the respect part but I dont think it’s fair to just someone by what they wear. Whatever happened to “you cant judge a book by its cover”? 99% of the time, these honor codes are directed at women because clothes “make men think lustful thought”? What about women who are sexually assualted wearing clothes that had them covered? It’s not about what a girl wears. Everyone has common sense & free will.
orchid / 217 posts
And meanwhile, in the real world…
How do these women function in real life after college? Or do they only attend for the MRS degree?
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These girls made the decision to go to these colleges, and no one held a gun to their head when they signed the standards of living agreement. Wear what you want, that’s definitely your choice. But as a student at a liberal Christian school, I respect these dress codes.
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My thought is, if you choose to go to any of these 3 colleges (or others that aren’t listed), then you should expect to abide by the rules and respect them. I considered going to Pensacola, but there is no way I wanted to live my life with that strict of a dress code for 4 years. I don’t think I dress immodestly, but I like to lounge in yoga pants, and I LIVED in jeans and sweats during my classes. My professors rocked the jeans or athletic wear all the time! I ended up graduating from a small, private Christian college and I’m attending a different private Christian University right now for grad school. Neither of these colleges have a dress code (that I was/am aware of). My earrings, tattoos, and body piercings kind of ruled me out anyway. And the “unnatural” hair color.
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I think in general those are pretty decent dress code guidelines to follow when presenting yourself to the outside world. Not that I mind too terribly since I’m lazy, but America has become overly casual in dress. I like that they challenge their students to be aware of how they are presenting themselves in and outside of the classroom. Yes, the guidelines might be a tad strict, but I see nothing wrong with preparing your students to be aware of their appearance.
Besides, people who go to these school were aware of the dress code before they signed up I’m sure.
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These dress codes are ridiculous. And please, not all Christian colleges are this insane. I happen to go to a Christian college and I am currently wearing a Scott Pilgrim t-shirt with a picture of two people making out on it, tight black jeans, converse, and my hair is definitely not a natural color. My ex-boyfriend who also goes to my school has a lip piercing…so. Yeah.
ranunculus / 3457 posts
And Americans say Muslims are bad…?
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I think it’s downright stupid. I go to a Christian university and we are allowed to wear what we want. After all, isn’t our God one of FREE WILL?
AND REALLY, WHAT IS THE LACK OF SLEEVES GONNA DO??
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HA! Oh man, I love my public university. Gotta watch out for all of those heathens with counter culture hair, OH BOY!
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I have visited Bob Jones University and Pensacola Christian College, and I know a lot of people who attended all three. I have a lot of problems with these colleges in general beyond just the dress code, and I don’t think that any of them are very good images of what God intended Christianity to be. I find it exceptionally controlling for the administration to decide what constitutes “modest” dress in the students’ everyday lives. That being said, most of the people who attend these colleges do so because they choose to, and if they want to be under that set of rules, they have every right to.
magnolia / 1369 posts
i think the picture of the two girls is great . they look absolutely beautiful and they’re not half naked . i mean, you knew what you were getting into before you applied there. it’s not my cup of tea but at the same time i’m not applying to go there either. if that’s what their dress code is and you decide to go there then you should abide by it .
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Well, I did go to a chirstian school for elementary school and highschool. And yes, we had a dress code. But, the boys had a dress code too.
If you’re going to any school, that has a dress code, you need to honor it, whether you like it or not. There were defitely things I found frustrating about our dress codes, but I couldn’t argue about it. The way my school looked at it was, you’re going to find yourself in a job that could potentially have a dress code. Deal with it. That’s life. We were told to wear slips, under our dresses or skirts, but HEAVEN FORBID you actually see it peeking out. I got in trouble, once, for having my slip hang down too far below my slit in my skirt. I found that ridiculous, especially since the teacher called me out on it in front of my class. I was mad. I haven’t worn skirts or dresses much since I got done with school there, lol.
But yes, in my school, we had a meeting on girls dress code and one of my teachers (who had all sons, by the way) outright said that girls were the reason guys lusted. It was all our fault. That, pissed me off. I don’t think dress codes are big deals, but the idea that guys are just weak minded and need us to “help them out” is ridiculous. I realize guys do struggle with lust and everything, but teach your damn sons some self control and responsibility for himself and not push it onto all the girls around him. Good grief.
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@amymichelle - I agree that more young women should think carefully about how they choose to represent themselves, but banning sweatpants at the gym is a bit too much for me. I also don’t understand the no pants thing…
sunflower / 327 posts
i wont go to this college even if its the only college tht accepted me.
@forever_musing@xanga - totally true.
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the dress code doesn’t seem that bad. for the girls who go there, it must not bother them that much or they wouldn’t have gone there in the first place.
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@MoonFaeEyryan@xanga - what does that have to do with anything?
these institutions you go to by choice, so they are aware of dress codes before they applied.. i know the norm is booty shorts and too tite dresses now and days and only in certain parts of the world but not everyone dresses that way. i know i wouldnt be able to survive because i wear little to no clothes but im not gunna bash sumone by the way they choose to dress especially if it custom and religion related. i have too much respect for their customs to judge like that.
&& its conservative christian solleges… there r many christian colleges not as strict
tulip / 6 posts
I lol at the hollister and abercrombie and fitch part XD
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They’re not unreasonable in the sense that its hard to do. But it is a bit strange to see a dress code in college. Although I don’t want to see anyones ass or boobs in class….
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wow, can everyone just stop being haters?
A someone who had gone to a college like this, I like it. Our rules were not near as strict. (i.e. professional dress code for classes, and modesty dress code outside of classes. But basically, no skirts above the knees, short must reach finger tips, we’re allowed to wear pants/jeans, but they can’t be super tight, 2 inch straps on shirts, etc…)
And yeah, going to a more relaxed school now, I wear shorter skirts and short once in a while, etc. But some girls just LIKE dressing modestly, or do so for religious reasons. Why does that bother so many of you?
My legs look most flattering in slightly longer shorts, I don’t look good in low cut tops, etc… plus that way I don’t have to worry about guys thinking I’m ever going to be a booty call or whatnot, because that’s not how I choose to live my life. That doesn’t mean denim jumpers, ugg. When I’m walking around, I fit in seemlessly with the general crowd. I just choose dress modestly, but I’m still wearing all the latest fashions, etc.
Plus, you wouldn’t put chocolate cake in front of a kid and tell him to hold a conversation with you while staring at it. That’d be mean! Same with the guys and lust. If I dress modestly, the guys can clearly focus on having a conversation with me. Guys respect me more – it’s a visible difference, and I LOVE it. It’s for my sake as much as his.
Respect people, people.
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This bunch of crap makes me so embarrassed to be a Christian sometimes. Not because of what I believe, but the kind of attention we get. People already think we’re fucked up because the only things you ever hear about are the negative – people burning Qurans and God Hates Fags and stuff like that. I’m not offended per se, but I’m annoyed that this kind of post has made it to lovelyish because the young women (and men) here who have already decided that they don’t like Christians really don’t need any more reason to judge us and make comments.
I go to a private Christian university and we have a bit of a dress code, but it isn’t horribly strict. We’re not allowed to wear tank tops/spaghetti straps unless we’re in the gym, that’s all. It doesn’t even really “fit” with the guy-lust crap because guys and girls work out/play on the sports teams together and see each other in tank tops, but whatever.
I agree with the other comments about respecting the dress code – you got yourself into the situation if you wanted to go to the school, so deal with it. It bothers me that these schools get so hung up on how people look that they forget what the whole point is. It doesn’t make Jesus cry or make anyone any less of a Christian if they wear pants to class and not a skirt. It feels like legalistic garbage sometimes. I would hope they’re basing this off not wanting to cause someone else to stumble, what’s good for you isn’t good for everyone else kind of stuff and not just blaming the girls’ dress on guys’ lust.
orchid / 204 posts
Do these colleges have high suicide rates? Because that is what I would do lol
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A friend of mine had no choice but to go to a strict Christian university – her parents told her they wouldn’t pay for college anywhere but the one school they chose for her – and if she tried to pay her way somewhere else they would disown her.
The dress code there wasn’t quite as strict as the ones mentioned, but yes, some people do have to go to these schools and are forced to wear clothes that “keep men from lusting” (uh, news flash, it doesn’t matter what you’re wearing – men know what womens bodies look like and they can certainly use their imagination with that long-sleeved top and calf-length skirt you’re wearing).
The reason they outlaw hair colors and clothing that identify with a “counterculture” is because anything that doesn’t glorify God (and they decide what does and what doesn’t) is considered sinful. They want everyone to be cookie-cutter Christians, which is utterly stupid. You can go to church and worship whatever deity you want – didn’t your God make you the person you are, with the personality you have – including those that embrace various countercultures?
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This is fucking bullshit.
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@Arien_Elf@xanga - Your attitude is extremely insulting to men. Pretending that you have to be the bigger person and dress conservatively to save them from their evil thoughts is demeaning. A guy isn’t going to respect you less if your skirt is above the knees instead of below it. He WILL respect you less for thinking he can’t control himself.
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it is nice to know someone is wearing morally decent clothes
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@sorority_girl86@xanga - what’s so impossible about dressing modeslty in the realworld? My school isn’t as strict, but we still have guidlines as to what we should wear in class/chapel/ around coeds. And in the real, working world, you have to look professional (dress shoes, nice pants, neat hair ect ect. )
I love my school because we can express ourselves with our hair, tats, piercings, whatever but we are still held responsible to not look like grungy teenagers who can’t express themselves any other way then through their dress… it’s clothing, get over it
orchid / 217 posts
@sierra_nichole@xanga - I just think these women are in for a culture shock when they take jobs and have to interact with women who don’t have to/haven’t been forced to dress so conservatively. Not to mention that I’m sure they are subjected to many side-long stares.
yes, in the real world you have to look professional, and for many women that means wearing pants or a blouse that’s unbuttoned. That can include having tattoos or piercings that no one ever sees, or wearing jeans in front of a man.
Personal opinion on my behalf, but I think it makes young women look dowdy as well. I did attend a college, a christian college, that enforced a dress code similar to the ones above. It was ridiculous. Every weekend the girls would be out in hoochy skirts and tummy-baring tops, having the guys they are supposed to be keeping from “lustful thoughts” buying them drinks or hitting on them.
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I went to a private Christian school and these 3 (plus another nearly local Christian college) were pretty much where everyone went to. I can count 5 people in my mind that actually went to colleges OTHER than these.
Like these universities/colleges the school had a similar dress code. Pantyhose. No open toed shoes. Skirts below the knee. And since I was large chested, I was asked (and so were my sisters) to wear two bra’s. BTW: You should’ve seen my mom LAY INTO the teacher that recommended this. Haha. But seriously. I would NEVER EVER let my kids attend a school like that. Everyone was preppy and in a clique. I was the classroom “rebel” and spent half of my high school years in detention for things like saying that God didn’t want masochistic, abusive men in power. My senior year, we actually went to a few of these places to see the “great things God was doing” there. All I saw were repressed and sad individuals taking classes in things like “How to be a Godly Preacher’s Wife” And dude, I’m not even kidding.
Safe to say, I went to a wildly liberal college where they let you wear pants and drink when you turn 21.
I remember the first day of classes in college. I looked my professor and said “ZOMG! I’m WEARING JEANS in class!!!”
Hehehehehehhehe.
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I go to a christian high school and they arent that strict. We have a uniform, as do nearly all Australian schools, but we still shorten the below-the-knee skirts to above the knee, wayyyy above the knee. and we usually dont get in trouble for it either.
those schools are just a tad weirdd
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Um, if you work in almost any office setting, this is pretty much what you have to wear.
So for all you people threatening suicide or insanity if you had to dress like this, have fun with fashion-induced mental illness.
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@forever_musing@xanga - I dunno…i never thought of it as punishing tie women, but more like disrespecting the men. They are practically saying the men have absolutely NO self control, and if they see you in your bikini, they will be humping you a couple seconds later. If i were a guy, i would be offended they thought so little of me. But thats just my opinion.
On the other hand, i dress TO make guys “stumble” because i’m married which means my man is stuck with me for life. So, I’ve gotta make sure his eyes are on me
instead of some whore
But i guess married women get that freedom
And do i care if OTHER guys are “stumbling” over me to? err…no! LOL! Just reminds my man how lucky he is to have me
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Um. Did anyone else notices Bob Jones University’s initials are BJU??? LOL!!! I go to BJ University
(well i don’t…but it would be funny to say if i did…although if i went to BJU…i’m not sure the people there would get the joke).
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In the Christian community it’s not about blaming the women, it’s more about that women should not have to dress provocatively to entice men. Each denomination like hardcore catholics and some baptist may think that but the denomination I am in, assemblies of God, we put way more blame on the guys but also try to keep ladies dressing modest to help the guys out a little.
Yeah it must suck to have a strict dress code but you have dress codes for your job that are pretty strict but of course since this is a “Christian” thing alot of people are doging it more. I personally dont care for liberty university just because some of their policies give Christians a bad name. And just throwing this out there not all Christians are like liberty.
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<li class=”itemsubmitter”>corpsegutted@xanga – I totally agree with you. I have friends that go to a christian college here in Texas and the dress code is pretty much like yours.
sunflower / 290 posts
It is true that anyone going there probably already dresses this way anyway and they know what they’re getting themselves into when they apply.
the point is not that this is strict and sucks for the individual; the problem is the message that this sends about female bodies and sexuality. The one school actually said that clothing “should not draw attention to the figure.” Explain to me how a polo tucked into dress pants does not accentuate the triangle-shaped male figure that is so sexy? The women are specifically being told not to wear anything that makes them seem like a sexual being, but when has a man in a business suit not looked sexy?
also: ” and off campus (where appropriate).”
It blows my mind that they would even go so far as to restrict what you’re wearing off campus. at this point i’m shocked they didn’t mention what are and are not appropriate pajams
hydrangea / 78 posts
I’m just glad my school doesn’t have a dress code like that. Plus I hate wearing dresses/skirts anyway…
I hate when “conservative christian’s” punish the women for another mans lustful thoughts. Men can still have lustful thoughts no matter how much clothing a woman put on.
These codes are too strict for me..
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I don’t find there being anything wrong with that. It’s the epitome of arrogant to think it’s SO unfathomable to consider dressing modestly and not intentionally throwing yourself at a guy.
It’s NOT a big deal! I’m actually looking for Christian- mainly Baptist- college for the very reason that it goes against everything this idiotic world stands for: sex, fame, idolatry. I mean, if I’m going to pay thousands of dollars to go to college, I don’t want to room with a psycho or slut, put myself in stupid situations, or be around stupid people… And by stupid, I mean a person who doesn’t care about anything but themselves, and gets drunk and/or high all the time. Grow up. It’s college, not high school; it’s stupid enough to be a slut/drunk in high school, but in college? Mommy & Daddy make you go to college & money isn’t a problem, or you killed to many of your brain cells when you were younger. Either way, you’re an idiot.
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well, they can choose not to go to the university if they don’t want….
I don’t mind it, I just wouldn’t like not being able to wear pants… I love my pants!!
@needtobreathe22@xanga - ”I don’t want to room with a psycho or slut” I totally agree… I hate risking that… every year I’m so worried!
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@ohveryoung@xanga - I’d just like to address this quickly. I attend Liberty University and while the dress code sounds strict on paper, it’s not that bad. Yes, it’s a little annoying when we can’t wear shorts to class and it’s really hot outside, but honestly it’s just a way for girls to keep guys from lusting due to the way we dress, and it works vice versa. Especially where we’re a Christian university, it’s a way to keep both genders honest.
And it’s actually a pretty good way to find a date. I mean, wouldn’t you prefer a nicely dressed significant other over a slob who can’t properly dress? It’s a winning system for us all =)
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@Just_For_Shits_And_Giggles@xanga - Actually, there have been multiple studies done (by people who aren’t Christians) asking guys for their thoughts on these things. They’ve actually responded more positively to women dressing conservatively because men are basically visual, which is in their nature. Maybe an inch off the skirt isn’t going to matter much, but other areas of dress code do, if that makes any sense. Hoping I could clarify for you =) Have a nice night!
orchid / 217 posts
I went to a Catholic school K-8th grade & got in trouble for not wearing a belt with my pants that were already tight enough, wearing too short of socks & wearing the ‘wrong color’ of socks..
A button on my shirt came undone at the top & a teacher felt the need to stick her hand in my shirt to fix it. She also felt the need to stick her hand in my pants to tuck in my shirt because it came untucked.. Yeah, the principal heard A LOT about that…
When we had out of uniform days, they were themed. i.e. you can only wear stripes or something green. If you didn’t go along with the theme, you had to dress in uniform. White shirt for guys & girls. Only sweatshirt you could wear was with the school logo, either black, blue or white above-the-ankle socks, navy blue uniform pants or the girls could wear navy skorts no shorter than 3 in. above the knee. No purses, no ‘distracting’ makeup or jewelry, you had to wear a belt with pants. Girls apparently couldnt wear a black tank top under the white polo..Still not sure why…
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i went to a college that had a dress code very similar to liberty’s dress code. and i would just like to say it’s really not a big deal. and i never dressed like those girls in the picture. haha.
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I would sooner relinquish my college education and live in a card board box the rest of my life than go to a school like that.
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Wow, that’s really strict.
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I would enjoy these dress codes.
Keep all the sluts covered up ! so sick of seeing girls wearing mini skirts when its snowing outside
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Girls seem increasingly to be dressing like cheap sluts, neither do they seem to be doing it with style. That’s alright for me because I’m a reprobate and I like cheap sluts for my own gratification. It is also alright if all they want to do is to look like cheap sluts and attract the sort of attention reserved for cheap sluts, but do they?
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okay, i’ll be honest, i pretty much stopped reading after i read this line. “…out of concerns for helping men tame their “lusts”
this instantly made me think of rape culture, and how women are essentially supposed to bend their lives/lifestyles around MEN in order to keep ourselves safe.
i suppose men should also not be allowed to wear speedos, go shirtless in public, or workout too much in case a woman or another man cannot control her/his “lusts”.
… oh, please.
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this is a wonderful thing. all colleges should have some sort of dress code similar to this. it really makes the soul and the goodness of heart stand out, rather then the outward appearence which is less important. im only 15, and i hope that the college i choose to go to has something like this. nt only does it make girls feel better about themselves and earns them respect for thier bodies, but it truly does help boys to respect the girls as well.
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If you don’t like the dress code don’t attend the school. What’s the issue?
sunflower / 264 posts
@Arien_Elf@xanga - I like your approach.
It is not that men can’t control themselves, but they need some help on our end. Simply, it IS hard for a guy not to look at you as a piece of meat (at least on first impression) when you are dressed super immodestly, or to be physically turned on. It is possible for a guy to control his thoughts even after being aroused, but it is very,very difficult. That’s all.
I have talked to quite a few men specifically on this subject, and I feel they were honest with me (it was out of curiosity, partly, but also to dispel any myths). And while I understand that no one is the same, there are general similarities that you can hold as possibilities with every guy (for instance: that he is turned on when he sees a girl in a revealing top, etc., only because he is pretty much designed to be turned on by that, and it is not all his fault.) But the men I spoke to said that it much, MUCH easier to be at ease with a woman and treat her with respect (both in mind and in manner), when she is dressed beautifully, yet modestly. Men love a woman who is beautifully dressed (and it doesn’t have to be so strict as the above examples), and who seem to respect themselves enough to “leave some for the imagination”.
..But, I do not think that the way a girl dresses says anything to her value, intelligence, or inward beauty, necessarily.
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Oh my god, i thinks its completely stupid, but then I wouldn’t be caught dead attending those schools…. ever.
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So, women are supposed to wear the equivalent of a burka because men are too weak to control themselves. It does not speak of much respect for either.
As for the overall apropriateness of the dress codes. My wife is a school teacher with moderately strict dress code. In general, I consider her dress to be rather conservative; but it would not be acceptable according to the above code!
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Wait… chicks go to school in a bikini?
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I go to a public uni in New York City (yea, not conservative at all.)
I dress the way these colleges force their students to dress anyway. I don’t think any woman is being “punished.” She is just being taught how to respect herself and to quit relying on sexualizing herself to get anywhere. I wouldn’t mind these dress codes (all except the jeans-I’m a big jeans wearer. I keep them fairly high rise and loose)
HOWEVER someone who is a legal adult should not be forced to dress in any way.
HOWEVER #2 – these girls KNOW what they sign up for when they go to these colleges. No surprise.
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@galadrielspitcher@xanga - My issues with those schools go far beyond the dress code (I know friends who went to Christian colleges that had fewer freedoms than maximum security prisons).
On a side note, nice to see you’re alive – I haven’t heard from you in a LOOOONG time.
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@Arien_Elf@xanga - It’s not about how it looks or what a girl prefers, it’s about the CONTROL issue. THAT is why people dislike it. If you are an adult, you have the right to make your own decisions and treating you like a criminal just because they don’t like a particular brand of clothing is just ridiculous. Do they also ban Victoria’s Secret underwear because it promotes immodesty? What about thongs, boyshorts, or other tight fitting panties – are those banned too?
Things like this definitely played a role in why I stopped being a Christian.
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@turnyalightsdownlow@xanga - I agree, the girls in the picture look fine, except they clearly violate these rules by wearing provocative shoes, short sleeves (well the one has 3/4 sleeves), and their shirts clearly are far too tight fitting for these rules. It’s sad that girls dressed as conservatively as that are still “immodest” by these schools standards.
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@MoonFaeEyryan@xanga - lol, Muslim girls have to cover their hair…though if you think about it, so do Orthodox Jewish girls after marriage (either w/ a wig, or a scarf or a hat…i think most opt for wigs)…But its funny, they say Muslims are bad, but aren’t the Christian schools listed above doing the same thing? And personally, its the 21st century, wearing yoga pants or jeans isn’t crazy for this day and age and one can def. have respect for one’s body while wearing pants and a tanktop.
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my school in hong kong has similarly strict rules~
‘ve gotten used to these =)
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@ohveryoung@xanga - Heeeey, I live about an hour and half from Liberty also! And I completely agree with you. Haha.
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I went to MVNU in Ohio and I don’t remember a dress code but I do have friends that went to the 3 colleges you listed.
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I live near Bob Jones University. The dress code…meh, like people have said, it’s pretty much standard office fare. It’s pretty obvious who goes to what university when you’re in the mall though, haha.
I still have my issues with dress codes enforcing gender roles, but I’ll save that.
My sticking point is BJU’s “dating and mixed group” policy. “We want students to have wholesome social opportunities in a setting that provides
accountability for biblical requirements of purity. It is with this in mind that we
chaperone campus activities where men and women students are present and we require a
chaperon when students date or interact in a mixed group off campus.”
Also: “For the sake of accountability, students must ‘check out’ when they
leave the campus. Students gradually acquire more freedom in this area
as they become upperclassmen and demonstrate trustworthiness.”
I’m not hating; I’m just very different. To each his own.
dahlia / 2012 posts
On the bright side, I bet these girls get less skin cancer with all that epidermis-covering.
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i’d rather have a girl who shows less skin than a girl who shows almost everything… plus the girls in the photo are actually pretty cute…
but nonetheless… why do some call helping dudes not falling into lust as a means of punishment? is it possible that a dress code is in play to prevent stupid measures from happening like a guy may not be given the means to do something stupid to a girl??? if that’s punishment or female oppression… then those promoting that aren’t loving and kind… they want the boys to falter and fall into doing something stupid… much rather have a dress code that will take preventative measure… but… granted… if you folks think Liberty is bad… Bob Jones U and Pensacola are worse… it’s not just dress code…
I heard that at Bob Jones, members of the opposite sex cannot walk on the same side walk… inter-racial marriage/dating was grounds for explusion till the 2000… one can ONLY listen to classical music, semi-classical music, or serious religious music… no VHS allowed… only appropriate home movies (no Disney or anything allowed in the dorms)… and you can forget about New Age music because the damages of that style is on a list in the dean’s office… and that’s just from the College handbook in the class year of 1994…
it’s more than just skirts/no skirts… i think the argument and implementation is ridiculous though i understand the motive behind it… still it can be implemented better…
nonetheless… the girls in the pic are cute…
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But…but…how will I show off my barely existent cleavage?
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It’s not about keeping men from thinking lustful thoughts, it’s about women respecting their bodies. I don’t go to a Christian college, but I am a Christian and being a Christian doesn’t mean you have to dress like this(you should always respect your body), but, Going to these particular colleges mean you have to dress like this, just as some schools make you wear polos or dress shirts and ties.
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the first time i heard of bob jones university, i didn’t think it was a real school. the name just sounds like it’s not real. anyway, that’s besides the point. i’m not a fan of such a conservative dress code in college. in my opinion, a school shouldn’t tell students what is and is not appropriate to wear. i understand that the students at conservative christian colleges are there by choice, but i think that enforcing rules in most aspects of their lives hinders maturity. how will those students ever learn how to make their own decisions when they are in the “real world” (and by that i mean when they are out of college) if they don’t even have the freedom to, for example, wear skirts with hemlines above the knee? that seems silly to me. also, i feel like most of the students who attend these schools already have a background that values extreme modesty, so why is it necessary to have such strict dress codes? in my opinion, rules such as extremely strict dress codes demonstrate these schools’ lack of confidence in effectively teaching the values important to their communities.
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@amymichelle - so wearing pants is disrespectful to yourself? I’ve never had a guy flip out and go crazy because I was wearing pants. I’ve had discussions where guys have said they don’t care if our shoulders our exposed, that it doesn’t make them want to “do us” so I don’t see what the big deal is.
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@faceofstarlight@xanga - If I had to do this, I would feel like we were going backwards in womens rights. I’m not saying that we should allow people to dress like sluts, but not allowing pants or sweatpants, is utterly ridiculous. I should not have to submit to men’s ideals of what a women should wear and not wear. I am not that old fashioned.
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This is why religion is a choice here in America. You can choose to follow ideologies and for some, the standards of these religious affiliated colleges fit perfectly with them. For others, obviously, as shown in the responses here, not so much. I don’t know why there should be hate against it though, they’re not hurting anyone, they’re merely expressing the standards they wish to uphold. And those who go to this sort of school are aware of what they’re getting into. Now, uniforms and such in public schools, that’s a legitimate issue because it’s hard to choose where you go to school, and because its government funded. But with this, it’s a private university, and you choose to go there, so there’s no need to get huffy about it.
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They’re not being forced to go there, and at private institutions, such rules are entirely reasonable. If you don’t like it you can go somewhere else.
However, God did make us naked. If you don’t dress for the purpose of making people have lustful thoughts about you, I don’t think he cares. It is up to each of us to control our individual desires.
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@corpsegutted@xanga - I agree- people take one look at some crazy people and think all Christians are like that. And yet, often these same people tell us not to judge Muslims by their terrorists.
It’s the same thing. And it offends me because I’m really pretty accepting of people and don’t try to force others to conform to me or anything. But I believe in God and Jesus and apparently many people think that equates to hate. How sad.
sunflower / 447 posts
Oh Liberty, you’re all such jerks. So glad I don’t live in Lynchburg anymore!
I get that women should respect their bodies, but who says we can’t dress as we see fit if we do respect ourselves? I mean really, I doubt my third set of earlobe piercings really means I don’t respect myself. And yeah that whole not-tempting-men thing, utter nonsense. I was raised Judeo-Christian, but I still find all these notions rather outdated.
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I do find it strange that the focus in some Christian schools is so much more on keeping the students well-behaved than well-educated. I’m in a Catholic university, and the only things restricted are overnight guests of the opposite sex and alcohol. But they aren’t strict on guests at all, and everyone is just careful to not get caught with alcohol on campus.
I mean of course their rules seem strange to me, but that’s their custom. If that’s what these girls want to follow, more power to them.
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i forgot what a culotte is
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@forever_musing@xanga - Word.
And way to take us back into the 19th century. These colleges are ridiculous. They should be working on empowering these women, not covering them up and hiding them away.
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This caught my eye because I went to a Christian college. I was thinking I’d read it to hear your thoughts on Christian modesty and dress codes: assuming you’d be bashing the whole thing and calling Christians out for being ridiculous. However, when I began to read the examples given for these colleges I realized that some Christian colleges out there are whack! Things like ‘No sweatshirts’ or only ‘matching’ earnings or forcing girls to wear hose seems way too strict. When it comes to keeping a man from stumbling into the sin of lust I doubt wearing sweatpants will put him over the edge!
At my school they did a very good job of keeping the intent of the dress code clearly evident in each rule. For example covering up is useless if you’re going to wear tight jeans or leggings but they weren’t completely banned. Tight jeans were appropriate in the private areas of the girls dorm and leggings could be worn under skirts that were the appropriate length (kneepcap-ish). We had no rules concerning jewelery or which brand of clothes you wore but there was the standard catch-all ‘use good judgment’.
Some of the rules were similar though. Skirts and dresses needed to be knee-length, no midriff when standing or sitting, straps needed to be at least three fingers wide, at most a fist width between your collarbone and your shirt neckline, and shorts needed to be longer than your finger tips when standing with your arms at your sides.
The boys had a dress code too: no going shirtless, no tight clothes, no wife-beaters, no cutoffs, no midriff revealing shirts, etc.
We weren’t allowed to wear jeans to class (except on fridays), that was probably the only dress code rule I had an issue with. Otherwise I feel that the dress code we had was beneficial and not ridiculously strict. The sports teams were allowed to wear typical attire (for example the volley ball team wore their spandex shorts while on the court) and other than class-time we were free to wear our pajamas all day if we wanted. As Christians its easy to get off track with rules. I think that the schools you gave as examples are examples of Christians who have turned modesty into a set of strict rules rather than a compassionate mindset.
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I’m a senior in high school right now and I’m actually considering going to Pensacola. Now I don’t agree with all of their rules. I do believe that you can be modest in jeans and a t-shirt. However, in saying that in today’s worlds people would rather be immodest. Girls basically walk around in their underwear and bras and think that’s perfectly okay, and they wear jeans that look like they had to jump off of their brother’s bunk bed to get into. Also, people who claim to be Christians in today’s society act just as bad as a worldly person. I’m not trying to bash anyone for the way they look or dress, but as Christians it’s our duty to look, act, and be different then the world. Does that mean we have to look like nuns all the time with our long skirts and sleeves down to our elbows? No. But I don’t think the girls in the picture look like that. They look like two modestly dressed Christian girls. I think that’s what the colleges are trying to convey with their “strict” rules.
peony / 1 posts
Wow there are so many negative comments! The girls at these schools have to follow dress codes but don’t forget that they require men to follow certain standards as well (baggy pants, no hats on indoors, no cut-off sleeves, etc.). I attend a secular university and there are many similarities in our dress code as well. It maintains a certain degree of professionalism as well as respect (for yourself, classmates, and the university). If you do not agree with a particular school’s dress codes or moral standards do not attend that school. I know people that have attended Liberty and some other Christian colleges and I never heard them complain. They hold the same values of the schools and that is why they chose to attend there. Choose a school that makes you comfortable! Don’t hate other people because they choose to follow standards you don’t (I’m not judging one side as better than the other)! Appreciate the differences, embrace other cultures, and love each other!
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I have been considering Pensacola for my daughter (my oldest). I really like that the school has not compromised on its faith, refusing government funding and even accreditation. I have recently found out that the Association of Theological Schools is now requiring Spiritual Formation which allows TM and Catholic and Christian mysticism into the schools (see lighthousetrials for article). In looking through the brochure, I noticed all the girls were wearing skirts so I looked up the dress code and found this site. Having to wear a skirt/dress is a bitter pill. I’m in my 40′s and despise wearing dresses especially when it is cold out. Pensacola could easily have a conservative dress code without being burdensome, even regulating your tennis shoe color. White tennis shoes don’t go with blue shorts. Remember how the first church had to resist putting burdens on the gentile believers such as circumcision and what they ate. I am so glad that Pensacola had strained out the camels and kept pure, but please give up this burdensome dress code and replace it with a more reasonable dress code.