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The clothes sold my forever 21 etc don’t look good on larger bodies anyway, speaking from experience 

If most women are above the size stores sell, then they aren’t plus sized. They’re average size and stores aren’t accommodating the average woman.

I love you, kittenwalks. 

I would agree if it weren’t for the fact that, even though 54% of the American population is overweight, I literally can’t find a single store in my local mall that carries my sizes. Clearly there is a market for plus size stores, so why are they sequestered into either highly specialized strip mall areas or like in the corner of town/one ever twenty skinny people stores? Oh, that’s right. Because skinny people have more power, and it is a power having to do with the fact that they control the ad and fashion agencies, NOTHING to do with a realistic depiction of the “real” woman in American society. I don’t mind buying clothes that fit me, but I hate being ghettoized, and I hate double standards. : /

I agree. You don’t hear skinny people complaining about not being able to fit into the clothes that plus size stores have to offer. But of course certain people have to act like their situation is way worse than anybody else.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - This.  Thank you.

I have never considered myself “plus sized”…I am petite, small-framed, but with curvy hips and breasts.  I am on a diet to just hedge my bets because I have gained a few pounds, but when you are not a big girl and most stores’ “size L”shirts are too tight in more than just the curvy areas…  I don’t know.  Doesn’t seem right. 

How about if you’re not plus sized but not “average” sized either? Yeah, that sucks too. Just sayin’.

I think sizes are actually getting larger. I’ve always been more of a medium, but I fit into smalls more and more now. Sometimes at Victoria’s Secret I have to get extra small panties which is ridiculous because I’m about a size 28/7 in jeans.

I really don’t think you understand until you’re in their shoes.

Tell me, have you ever been overweight, struggling to find some good and decent clothes to wear? Maybe it’s not their style or taste in those plus sized stores. Every story is different, maybe it’s physically impossible to lose weight, or maybe it is.

I don’t have much to say in this, but before you start accusing, know how it truly feels.

The problem probably has something to do with the fact that the clothes are designed on (or based on the bodies of) smaller women, size 8 or 10 maybe (I’m British I don’t know what that translates to..). So even if they do stock larger sizes of the same designs they just look terrible on larger body types.

My mum’s a British size 22, and I refuse to let her go shopping without me because she can’t tell what looks good on her! :L

part of the problem is that what is now considered a plus size is not actually fat.   if marilyn monroe were alive today she would be plus sized.   It’s heart wrenching for a woman who is not overweight to be limited to shopping at such a comparatively small number of stores.   In my mall, which has over 200 stores, one is a plus sized store.   why should someone who is not even overweight at all be forced to go from having 199 stores to shop at to only one?

Also, many plus sized stores (not all) only sell very grandmotherly styles.

my biggest problem is the slight size gap in between plus and regular sizes.   There are some stores where I cannot fit into even the largest size they offer, but there is not a single plus sized store that carries clothes even remotely small enough for me.   The smallest plus size looks like a tent on me.   clearly stores which don’t offer a size I can fit into are only catering to teeny tiny customers if they’re leaving that big a gap between their sizes and people who actually need to move up to plus sized

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - Yeah, because if a rising percentage of the population is overweight, that makes it okay! I love health epidemics!

Seriously, I hate how people are so lax with their standards. If you aren’t fitting the clothes, consider that perhaps the clothes are the not the problem. And if the average American woman is a cow, I thank my lucky stars that I’m a social freak.

No I don’t. 

@Apple_or_a_Gun@xanga - @ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - agreed

and what about this post is useful?

I would definitely enjoy clothes shopping in the US because I fit in size 8s. Asians basically have smaller sizes which they based on petite Asian women, which is not accurate anymore given how the problem on weight has spread all over. It’s a problem for me since I am not an average sized Asian. I have ample breasts and hips, and at 5’4, considered tall. I used to go to this shop where I can get myself clothes in L, but they’ve grown smaller. Their L can now fit my aunt, a size 6. So I am forced to go to plus sizes, which are few, ridiculously expensive, and seems to design clothes for women in their 50′s =/

@soulfuric - you can’t assume that people are getting fatter and that the clothes aren’t getting smaller, which they are.   like i said in my comment, marilyn monroe wore I think a 6 (i forget exactly but it was around there), but in today’s sizes she would be plus sized.

Hmm, I don’t really have a problem of not being able to find a size 12. Maybe because I mostly shop at Old Navy which is super good about carrying almost every size.

But when I was in the 14-16 range it kind of sucked because I was too big for some stores, and really too small for plus sized lines. In my experience, the plus size lines make their jeans in a way that accommodate girls with bigger waists, but not those with average waists and big thighs.

I dunno, just my experience, jeans will be perfect all over, including the waist, but way too tight on my thighs. But then again, I like Old Navy and their stuff fits me so I really have no complaints.

So what should people like me do? I’ll give you my situation.

I can’t afford clothes from stores like Torrid. Well, I can’t afford an entire wardrobe from those stores. And I have yet to find a cheap plus-size store. Now I can go to Walmart or Target, but for some reason, the sizes that I’m in (16 or 18) are never stocked enough. Even though it’s been shown that those are the most popular sizes in our country (meaning they go much more quickly), these stores don’t seem to be stocking the sizes to make up for the amount of people who buy those sizes. I’m lucky to find clothes in my size that are well made.

So you would say to just lose weight…I’m trying. For the past couple of years, I’ve been working with nutritionists and changing my exercise to include running and strength training and to increase how often I exercise, trying different things all to solve my weight issue. However, the weight isn’t dropping below 200 lbs. Now I know that I have muscle, but I don’t have that much muscle. So for a while at least I’m stuck in those sizes. And I know I’m not the only one with this issue. So what should we do?

Losing weight isn’t always the answer and not everyone can afford those stores. This isn’t as black and white as you think it is.

@Apple_or_a_Gun@xanga - I have exactly the same problem.

Wearing a bigger size doesn’t necessarily mean fat, sometimes it just means boobs. The only reason there are plus sized shops in the first place is because regular high street stores don’t cater for them. Why do we feel the need to section people off according to size? We should be shopping by style, not size and clothing stores shouldn’t force us to overlook their brand because our bodies are either end of the spectrum. No matter what they cater for they’re cutting out approx 50% of women by doing so.

I say that we fat bitches eat all the skinny bitches and sew their clothes together to make our own trendy plus sizes.
Problem solved.

But sarcasm aside, I actually don’t dislike thin people. 
I don’t think that EVERY store needs to have a plus sized section, but it wouldn’t hurt if they at least went up into the 16/17, XL range, y’know?  I don’t really think those sizes are too far off of the average female.  Not so much that they should only be found at specialty stores, anyway.

Not trying to attack you (the blogger) or anything, but I think the sentence “Let’s go shopping at the right places that suit our body types.” is a little discriminative…or at least unfair.

Every store I’ve ever been in has sold XS and size 0 bottoms.  So every store is catering to skinny women.  I’m not saying every store should sell size 24 (Not that there’s anything wrong with that size, but I’d say size 24 is as uncommon a size as 0)  Skinny people don’t have to go to specialty stores…why should I?

clothes were made to fit people. not the other way around. 

@jenessa1889@xanga - False. Marilyn Monroe wore what is close to a modern size 8. “Plus-size” is generally considered to be an American size 12 or
above. Marilyn’s bust-waist-hip measurements were  36-22-36. She was genuinely curvy, unlike most plus-sized women today who could probably boast waists no smaller than 30 inches. 

Do your research before clutching at straws.

i think people just need to start shopping in places that the clothes are fitting and there’s nothing inappropriate hanging out.  

@soulfuric - ”Cow?”  Ridiculous.  I have not heard girls call each other cows since 7TH GRADE.  For the love of Buddha, why is it so god damned hard to just have respect for people as human beings even if they are (God Himself forbid it) overweight??

And in regards to this comment from the OP: “Like I read in comments, losing weight is the best thing to do if you want to fit their clothes. I know it’s not easy, but have you tried? “

Yes, I have.  Most of us overweight girls have; how else would we know it’s hard?  You might not have meant it as bitchy, but that’s a pretty crappy thing to say.  If you didn’t mean it that way, then cool.

@soulfuric - Some stores don’t even sell over a size 10 or 5. A size 10 or 5 isn’t overweight.

@soulfuric - that’s debatable.   numerous sources report that she didn’t fit perfectly into any size (like most women her waist was best suited to one size and her breasts another) so her outfits were tailored to the point that you can’t officially say “she was size x” but we can estimate what she was around.   and dress sizes have changed.   what she wore then was called an 8 (or a 6 or a 10, depending on what point in your career you’re looking at) but that’s not the same as a size 8 today.

regardless or what size she was or wasn’t, the point is that sizes have gotten smaller.   A woman in the 1950′s would have to go up a few dress sizes if she time traveled to today without gaining any weight

@soulfuric - Well if a size 12 is a “plus size” and the previous post was complaining about Urban Outfitters carrying up to size 12, then by you’re standards they’re already carrying plus size’s anyway by carrying the 12. So they could just extend the plus size line even further and cater to everyone. 

@CommunismIsForLovers@xanga - you’re right size 24 is rare cause I wear a size 24 I would know
Size 23 is even rarer !!! and my friends are size 23  or size 00*
Its extremely hard for them to find clothes that fit too
They would have to buy it then pay extra to alter it

It’s hard to accommodate for everyone in clothing store — especially the small minorities in the extreme ends such as XXS – XXL

I think Torrid is a great store…my older sisters shops there and looks very trendy.  I am very thin and can NEVER find clothes that fit right.  I have tried gaining weight but I have a very fast metabolism.  This is not a complaint it is just provided for perspective.  I have gone clothes shopping, brought 10 things into the fitting room and am reduced to tears when NONE of them fit.

hmm that’s a tough topic…i mean on the one side a ‘legit’ plus size starts at a 12, but on the other side, i’m a size 8 (read upper comments…same as ms. monroe woohoo!) with a slightly smaller waist in proportion – and i have trouble fitting in some store’s large!

@jenessa1889@xanga - I see the shrinking sizes of clothes as a success story. American women of today have the means to work, exercise, and transport themselves as women of the 50s did not. Then, women were expected to loll around the house, cook hearty meals, and bear children — obviously concluding in a fuller figure than that of an active, strong woman.

@soulfuric - so you’re making the claim that more women in the 1950′s were overweight than today?

or just that 1950′s clothing stores catered to “fat people” when they shouldn’t have?

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - Believe me, companies do their research. If market analysis found that they would profit by expanding their brand without compromising their image, they would. Creating another line of sizes is not as easy as giving a call to the factory.

I think certain styles cater to certain people. I think that’s why they complain because they want to wear a certain style and can’t because the store doesn’t carry the size for example, American Apparel.

@aldane - THANK YOU! My thoughts exactly.

I am more then happy to shop at a plus size store cause i know the clothes will fit my body the way it should but i was at meijer one day looking for a bathing suit and its like omg im fat not 50! im glad there are plus size stores i just wish your everyday stores would carry better ones too. but do you know how much money hollister and aeropostal would make if they carried a plus size? My favorite store is deb cause i can shop for everyone in my family no matter size but do you see the difference in the styles? i mean i want to be trendy to im only 22…

Mmmmmm, I have to say, someone will get offended at how ignorant this post sounds. What if someone is so obese, they can’t shop at the plus-size store in their mall? What if there IS no plus-size store near them and they can’t shop online or anything like that? You kinda can’t just tell fat people to go shop at the plus-size store, like you can’t tell me “Oh, you can fit into anything!” I’m thin, probably 115 lbs. or so, but I have hips and a nice chest for my frame. Sometimes I burst out of small-sized tops and sometimes, jeans are made too small for my hips. It’s not as simple as throwing out one solution that will work for some people.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - Most stores carry up to size 14. Average women. Plus size is like sixes 14 and higher. Which is not average. At least thats how it is where i live.

i liked this entry.

i hated some of the comments like skinny people rule the world, though. stop crying, lose weight, be healthy. or just be a nice chubby who doesn’t cry.

Oh yes because everyone knows these plus size stores are in every mall across the states. The only plus size store in the mall here, is for old women. Just because im overweight doesnt mean i must also dress like a grandmother.

and alsooo, bigger clothes mean it costs more to make them. so stop bitching that they’re not as flashy or stylish as smaller sizes, because if they were you’d bitch more about the already high prices to pay for the plus-sized garments.

and i like torrid. and i don’t fit anything there.

and you all  have internet so chubby or not, you can shop online and if shit doesn’t fit you ship it back.

Well…this was kind of a waist to read.

People are going to complain, then there are those that complain about others complaining.
People are fat, people are skinny. Clothes fit, clothes don’t fit. Geez-_- Lets blog about something less obvious, and that actually has a purpose other then to tit about something as petty as fashion.

@weaponswired@xanga - you should get a sense of respect that’s not based on superficial things like weight. 

@yourarmsfeellikehome@xanga - ”sixes 14 and higher”

Are you saying a size 6 is plus sized?

@supcheyenne@xanga - Yes, the discussion could be productive if there were informed people on here making logical arguments… but… it’s Lovelyish.

@jenessa1889@xanga - Average American adults are about an inch taller, but 25 pounds heavier than they were in 1960. But while the woman of the 1950s was lighter, she was also bustier and more “bootylicious” than the woman of today, which probably accounts for the sizing discrepancy. I was not a shopper in the 1950s, but I would argue that the American population was much less diverse in shape and size than it is today, not to mention more women were handy with a sewing needle, and thus woman would have had less trouble finding their size.

I am just disgusted by modern America’s complacency with its weight issue. We have taught our children that they are perfect as they are, and that their faults make them who they are. But some faults are not cute quirks, but problems with consequences that must be addressed. We have not given ourselves the wisdom to distinguish between shortcomings that can be changed for the better, and those that must be accepted as immobile. This thinking has bred a generation of people who,  when confronted with problems in their daily lives, instantly conclude that they cannot be held responsible.

I don’t see why anybody would want to shop at a store that has obviously offended them.

As for sizes getting smaller. Not all that true. Hollister sizes have actually gotten larger. I can fit into their xs now when I’m usually a medium or large. 

@FIREExATxWILL@xanga - I think so too.  I used to wear a size 5 in juniors (about 5 years ag0) and even though I still fit into those pants from back then, nowadays, the pants I get are all a 1 or a 3, or a 25/26.  It’s ridiculous.  

@soulfuric - I did know that stat about the 1960′s to today in weight, but I’ve never seen a stat that indicated the average woman had a large chest or butt back then.   Do you have a source for that?

I don’t disagree that we have a huge weight issue in this country but a) not every plus sized woman is overweight. and b) shrinking sizes is not going to help/isn’t the right way to go about it.

If it’s a health issue then why on earth would we try to fix it by pushing the aesthetics?   That’s just manipulative and wrong.   some people are perfectly healthy but never-the-less are forced to shop in plus sized stores and limit their wardrobe significantly because someone has decided they’re fat.

It seems quite clear that if you’re saying the size changing is good then you are saying that women in plus sizes should perceive themselves as fat and want to lose weight and that the old sizes were allowing fat people to feel like they weren’t fat.

On top of that, if someone wants to be fat that’s their right.   It’s no one’s job to try to force them not to by manipulating their emotions, especially if that means manipulating people who aren’t actually fat

I’m sure shopping at a plus-sized store is sometimes easier said that done. I’m SUPER petite and have a really hard time finding clothes to fit my body. a lot of the clothes that i like the appearance of are too big and the ones i can find that do fit me are often REALLY expensive (or i have to get clothes altered and that ends up being expensive too). I’m sure it’s the same with someone who is plus-sized, just the other way around. We don’t have endless amounts of stores to choose from like “average” people do and we can’t always spend endless amounts of money to find the “perfect” fitting clothes.

@aldane - i don’t care about anybody’s weight but my own. i just don’t see whyy anybody fat/skinny should complain about finding clothes. there’s the internet for that. and it’s annoying seeing plus-sized people complain about stores carrying certain sizes. just don’t shop there. common sense.

@soulfuric - i gtg to bed.   work tomorrow.   i’ll respond later

Ladys,
ladies, ladyz 

The reason they don’t sell your size is because the powers
that be, think you are fat and they don’t want to encourage that type of behavior,
(1800 get slim). They are repulsed and don’t want you in their stores, trying
on stuff let alone wearing it out in public. Now with this said this is a
mainstream western culture problem. The way around it is to one; get in good
with some one that likes to sew or develop this habit yourself many dresses
patterns or sold 10x cheaper for material + pattern (not practical I know).
Second option is if your city, town or village doesn’t have a plus size store.
I suggest mail order or online ordering. Option 3 (the way I would do it).
Demand these stores stop discriminating, I would arrange a nation wide boycott
of one of these stores around Xmas. The message would be sent loud and clear.
 Support the grown and sexy!

I completely agree with you. Regular clothing store clothes made for average fit people size in America–nothing more or less that that. I went to Japan and found most womens clothes are hard to fit in westerner’s body because they made it fit in average Japanese people’s body.  In a same sense, plus size people should shop in their own category and there is nothing wrong with that.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - No. I’m saying if you are size 14 or higher you are plus sized. 

By standards nowadays, I’m plus sized, if only because of my boobs. I wear a size eight. I’m not skinny, but I’m slender, and I’m toned. BUT I have big boobs and wide hips, but a thin waist. My legs are short and not thin- they’re pure muscle. Simply put, I hate shopping, because very little fits me at all. I have the Barbie figure, and I can’t dress myself. How bout that?

It’s not easy for some people to lose weight. I’ve 25 lbs, but it took me 3 years (my diet is weird because I have a metabolic disorder).

Women, unfortunately, are given the task of child bearing which among other things, tells their body to be softer than a mans. And, further more, it would seem each woman is different, not in just bmi, but over all shape. Personally, I wouldn’t waste my time in a department store. Just a cheap bear of jeans and a  T would settle with me very nicely. 

@yourarmsfeellikehome@xanga - Actually, the average is 14. That wouldn’t be “plus” because plus is implying over the average. But irrelevant anyway…

 My point is – What about the stores that don’t even carry 10s, etc. It’s ridiculous.

@jenessa1889@xanga - I can remember reading it, but god knows where, so you can throw that into the dish of hearsay.

There is no way to foster change in people without manipulating them. Cigarette taxes are “manipulative,” by that measure. And frankly I think obesity is as revolting as smoking, for it is the choice to remain unhealthy because changing is too difficult.

I am going to attempt to learn to take-in my own clothes so that they can fit better, because I am an XS on top and a M on the bottom, and thus have to go a dress size up at the expense of losing shape in the waist. There is really no other to account for each individual person’s dimensions — if you want something to fit perfectly, you cannot turn to large-scale industry to cater to you. So do what you can with the options available to you.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga -  I agree.  Personally I have issue in the US where they have changed the sizes so that what was a 18 they are now labeling as a 16 so that women will feel “skinny” and will buy MORE…… 

@jenessa1889@xanga - Oh, here is that article I read: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-shape-of-things-to-wear-scientists-identify-how-womens-figures-have-changed-in-50-years-516259.html

I may actually have misinterpreted the results, because while the waists of today’s women have expanded by six inches, today’s women also have bigger busts and hips. I reevaluate my statement: the hourglass figure was more prevalent in the 50s than it is today.

@soulfuric - Haha!! Well said.

@FIREExATxWILL@xanga - I think it’s true. Forever21 small sized skirts used to fit me just fine, if not a bit tight. But now, a small is LOOSE. So noticeably loose that it moves around. You’d think a girl would be happy to see that she now has to wear a “XS”..but no. I am actually quite disappointed and enraged at this fact. I am NOT an XS and I am ashamed to tell people I can fit into XS in some stores.. because my body is NOT XS. It just feels as if I am telling an obvious lie because I am not skinny. I have a belly…so if a girl with a protruding belly is is now considered XS then wtf is happening to our world?

People need to stop eating so much. If you’re going to eat a lot, eat too much, eat until you’re bloated …then DON’T COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR WEIGHT. There’s a reason why America is the fattest country in the world. For some it’s genetics, but for most… the weight is just from unhealthy eating habits.

When i was a size 10 i never had a problem finding clothes that fit. But we probably don’t live in the same area. That is stupid though.

In regards to your about me description: it’s “who is” or “who’s” not whose. 

Yeah… A HUGE percentage of Americans are overweight… so I think fat women should stop saying they’re “normal” or “average” sized. If nothing ever fits you in any stores, and you’re not gigantically tall and just BIG, then you should probably not complain about the store and go on a diet.

I’m not skinny by any stretch of the imagination and I can almost always find things in my size except for at stores like wetseal because my boobs are too big.

I’m too small for plus size but not small enough for regular sizing. I’m right on the line. I’m still losing weight and will fit soon, but finding clothing this past year was a complete bitch.

@CommunismIsForLovers@xanga - C0MPLETLY AGREE (:

People need to chill out on this post. It’s not a personal attack.

Buy clothes that fit, and try shopping in more places than just the mall. Every mall basically has the same 8 stores, so go look somewhere else if you are unhappy.

I don’t even know where to start with this. I guess I don’t really care. I kind of hate posts like these. Nothing is going to change by what these posts say except that people might argue more (and maybe find better ways to do it).

@soulfuric - This, for sure. I’m so sick of the Marilyn argument.

“I know it’s not easy, but have you tried?”

Really?
REALLY? 
You have to go to be fucking kidding me. 
Please. Stop. Blogging. About. Shit. You. Don’t. Understand.
And these “plus size” blogs are getting on my damn nerves.
Everybody just needs to get over themselves and figure out what they need to do to be happy. If you are happy the way you are, then be happy–and live your life the way YOU deem necessary and appropriate.
Whatever. Just QUIT TALKING ABOUT THIS SHIT.

I guess i’m lucky in some ways.  I have the best of (most) worlds.  I’m really tall (6’0″, 157lbs) so i have to buy large sizes at most stores for length reasons, but i can also buy super cute clothes at plus size places in smaller sizes.  You would think i would have it made, but it’s completely true what they say “clothes are made to fit people. not the other way around.” I mean lord forbid my DD boobs ever wear a baggy top, i’d look like a WHALE. And just because certain styles don’t suit me i don’t wear them.  They were not made for ME. Finding clothes isn’t always easy just because i’m tall and of a healthy weight. Finding shirts?= great. Finding jeans?= great. finding a skirt or dress that’s long enough? … total nightmare in most stores.  and shoes? baby i’m a size 12. good luck finding that anywhere accept online.But i’m not ashamed to shop at “Big&Tall” type stores because the tag DOES NOT MATTER.  no one sees the tag when you wear an outfit, but everyone sees what you look like in it. Know your body. own your body.  Besides, fashion is about dressing YOURSELF…clearly that includes your body.  You don’t need every store to make your choices for you, you need creativity. Thats why it’s an art. Art supply stores don’t supply us with every color we can imagine, but we learn how to improvise and mix and create beautiful beautiful things. it’s about how hard you’re willing to try.

Fashion is about work. Lose the weight if you want to wear the clothes. I abhor that sizes are getting bigger these days (a large is now a small sometimes) and it sucks because I can’t fit into the clothes because now they are made for bigger women.

Fuck fatties, they are ruining fashion.

I’m overweight, size 16. I kind of agree with you in the statement that plus sized stores don’t carry regular sizes, so “average” stores shouldn’t have to accommodate plus sized fashion. It just pisses me off, to no end, when a store carries XS but not XL. XL, to me at least, is an “average” size. (whatever that means) Stores should carry it, especially if they have XS.

I think the problem is just that it’s harder to find trendy plus sized clothes, so plus sized people want the trendier clothing stores to sell things they can fit into.

What’s considered “plus sized” is actually getting smaller in some circles.  14 is the borderline – I’m a 14 (I’m chesty) and can wear both misses and women’s sizes.  But actually, some fashion designers are considering 12 plus-sized.  Really shitty when you consider that the average American woman is a size 14. 

i shop at places that fit me best. because even though i fit into extra smalls ans smalls the fit isnt always fight. we just need to know where to shop for our body type.

I wish it was that simple. And I’m sure it’s the same case for skinny girls or very petite girls. I’m plus size and in my city it is a challenge finding anything that looks half decent. I shop at these “plus sized” stores and end up paying an arm or leg for clothes or finding something that is just eh. It seems like anything made for bigger girls suddenly lacks any creativity and color. Just because I’m bigger doesn’t mean I cant be sexy or cute. Luckily for me a few stores in my city are adding plus size sections (Target, forever 21) that actually have beautiful moderately prices clothes that don’t fall apart as soon as I throw it in the washer (thought the sections are so damn small = (

@aldane - This reminded of that movie Bride Wars .. where Kate Hudson says “Vera doesn’t fit you. You fit into Vera!” or something like that.

Anyways … I am happy to say that in only one mall here, there are three different stores that carry only plus-sized clothes, and a couple of others that carry everything from XS to XL (:
And there are 4 or 5 malls here!

But the problem is that there are way more stores that accomodate thin or average people than stores that make clothes for plus-sized people. This makes no sense, because a greater proportion of people are plus-sized!!

Dude. Don’t hate on fat people or skinny people. 

Don’t be a hypocrite, either.No one’s alike, but don’t tell people what to do, k?

I agree with this post. I’m petite and don’t carry a personal vendetta against stores that don’t have clothes my size… I just shop where I can find clothes! Let your money talk girls…

Plus size stores are expensive! I go to Lane Bryant sometime but you have to pay over $30 for a cute shirt…or $50 for a pair of jeans…its hard to find cute stuff also….

Why can’t regular stores just make the same product in a larger size?

@TheDeadWhale@xanga - If you think sizes are getting bigger and “fashion is about work”, then I guess you should take your own advice and try to gain weight heathily and bulk up. XP

@Ailean@xanga - Gaining weight is difficult and I’m lazy. So I choose the easier option: making my own clothes. ;P

@phuck_diz_shiz@xanga - It’s true, it is very hard to accommodate everyone.  My ex-girlfriend was a 20 so I definitely know all about having difficulty finding sizes.

Has anyone considered that maybe we don’t like the plus sized clothes. I know beggars cn’t be choosers but sometimes, we like skinny clothes better. And considering that the highest of fashions are always made for skinny girls, I always feel like they’re clothing is, well, cuter. If a skinny person, and I’m being hypothetical here, saw something in a plus sized store that they really loved and wanted to wear, wouldn’t they be dissappointed if it didn’t fit? But of course this would never happen because the skinny girls always have the perfect clothes that they can wear. I know you think they should just diet, but thats so much easier said than done. And sometimes, the clothes still don’t fit right.

thank you!

@TheDeadWhale@xanga - Bahahaha, congrats on being a total dumbass.

As someone who has recently lost a serious amount of weight, I have experience with buying plus-sized clothing. My biggest issue was that I am 5 ft 10 inches tall. I had a very difficult time finding cute pants, jeans, shorts, etc. I was happy to see that some popular stores like Old Navy and Maurices expanded their line to include plus sizes. At my largest, I was a size 26. I’m now 14-16 and loving it. My biggest issue now is finding clothes to fit a smaller waist and large chest.

um, no. rude.

Most of you are ridiculous. This is a retarded post. Clothes at the mall like Forever 21 are the cheapest pieces of shit ever made. Their fabric gets tears and holes in them like a crazy bitch. And FYI my friend who’s a skinny ass bitch and actually has breasts couldn’t fit into a medium or large dress at Forever 21. Which in my eyes is a shitty shitty store with crap for merchandise. The best thing about that store is their sparkly floor which I adore. 

P.S. Ross isn’t a plus sized store and I can still find a plethora of sizes there, SO SUCK IT!!!

@CommunismIsForLovers@xanga - Congrats on missing my point!  =D

You sound bitter and egotistical. If girls want to complain about their struggles of fitting into clothes that they would like to wear, let them.

Stop being so preechy. Thankfully, I have never struggled with my weight but a lot of people I love have and they have tried losing weight thank you very much. Grrrrr you’re annoying.

I don’t like how we’re fighting about this now.
Switzerland: Shouldn’t all women be represented in all stores?
It’s not going to happen, but isn’t it some form of discrimination anyway?

(I’m averageish and don’t have problems finding clothes but this is making me upset)

@CommunismIsForLovers@xanga - So random, but have you ever read A Modest Proposal, that’s what the first part of your post reminded me of. 

If not, you would deff enjoy it. That’s all I have to say. 

There is not a single woman in the world that can fit perfectly into every single item of clothing that she comes across in every single store.

Ladies, let’s stop tearing each other down over our weight because that is what we’re doing here. If we can’t unite on that front then the dispute over clothes is probably the least of our worries.

@jenessa1889@xanga - No, Marilyn was a size 12 back in her time, but it would be a size 8 today, which is average.  But most to of the time, her wardrobe was custom made to her measurements or went up a size to accomodate her large assets…..  If she were a size 6 back in the day, she would be quite thin in today’s sizing.

@jenessa1889@xanga - sizes have not gotten smaller. in fact, vanity sizing was a major marketing decision made in the hopes of capitalizing on people’s desire to fit smaller size clothing. the reason sizes like 00 exist now is that a 0 is larger than what it used to be, and something needed to replace its niche.

@NymphaeHecati@xanga - ‘But actually, some fashion designers are considering 12 plus-sized.  Really shitty when you consider that the average American woman is a size 14.’

But currently 34% of Americans are obese and 33% are overweight. So therefore 67% of Americans are obese or overweight so the average size 14 woman must be overweight and a size 12 woman probably would be too (unless she is very tall).

I’ve heard complaints from both sides of this, not just the “fat” side.  Newsflash, most everybody who’s commenting here, I would bet, has complained about at least ONE thing in their lives.

That said, if you yourself are “kind of fat”, then why make the statement “haven’t you tried?” in regards to losing weight to others? 

And really, these stores may not give two craps about what some person’s opinion is.  Just because someone chose to publicly share their OPINION about what they think a store should do, doesn’t mean the store is being FORCED to do it.  These stores don’t have plus sized options, so the answer is still to go to the seperate stores anyway. You really don’t have to tell us to go shop somewhere else. Last  I checked, that still wasn’t an option.  Why get all bent out of shape about it?

overdramatic.

@stuipdthing@xanga - that’s why they don’t make larger sizes!

@belladonnabutterflies@xanga - A British 8 is a US 6, I’m pretty sure.  And you guys don’t even have the super-small sizes, right?  People are expected to be of *normal* weight, rather than size 3 or something.

People seem to forget that bone structures of women have a natural curve.  My best friend is 5’9″, so she’s naturally got more hips than a petite, 5’2″ gal like me.  So, at as thin as she could possibly be, she’s a size 8 (British 10).  If she gained *any* weight at all, it’d be nearly impossible for her to shop in regular stores.

This, I know from experience. I’m a well-rounded 12 (British 14), and I’d probably be an 8 if I decided to stop eating and exercise my poor little heart out, but I just don’t think it’s worth it.  Especially since most of the trouble I have finding clothes comes from my chest size,  L to XL  (and sometimes medium) will be loose on my waist, but super-tight on my chest, and I don’t want to lose anything from there, anyway. >,< 

Plus size stores are *very* hard to come by, unless you want to shop online.  Even then that’s SUPER hard to do, because when you’re busty like me, EVERYTHING has to be tried on.  Sizes and styles are *never* consistent.  It’s practically ridiculous.

I agree completely… and I don’t know anyone who isn’t average that can’t fit into Forever 21.. I saw some comments saying that they can’t fit and they are average. I have DD boobs and I definitely have hips and I can fit into all of their clothes with the exception of maybe some shorts.. SO I go somewhere else rather than complain about them not fitting. I find a store where the clothes fit. Like your point, exactly. 

@soulfuric - but that’s the problem, quitting smoking is hard, but losing weight is damned near impossible for some people.  and like I said, not every plus sized body is an unhealthy body.   first of all, the average woman in a size 12 dress is probably at most 20 pounds overweight.   That’s not super healthy but it’s also not the same as being 100 pounds overweight.
If you measured my waist and hips I’m no where near a size 12, but I have really big boobs so in certain dress styles I have to go up to those sizes and then either tailor them, belt it, or deal with the fact that I look like I’m wearing a trash bag, or in some of them the style is right that it does more or less fit.   Should i feel like I need to lose weight?   I have a 26 inch waist and I’m in perfect health, but according to what you’re saying i should feel like i’m fat and gross and need to lose weight.

Take for example a recent girl who auditioned for so you think you can dance.   She was definitely a large girl, but she was an amazing dancer.   In order to have the kind of technique she had you have to spend years in a dance studio and you need some serious muscle.   It’s quite obvious she was in good health, she had to be to have gotten to that point, she was just big.   Someone like that is always going to be big, that’s just the way they are.

for some people, being that size is not a choice.

Have you noticed how motherfucking expensive plus-sized stores are? 

I once went to Torrid with a beautiful plus-sized friend of mine. I wish I could wear some of the clothes there!

@TheDeadWhale@xanga - Fuck fatties, huh?  Your comment does nicely to demonstrate my sentiment, which is this:  “Fuck disrespectful, superficial people; they are ruining our society.”

I don’t hate skinny people.  I don’t hate anyone based on looks alone.  But what I do hate are people of ANY size that base their judgments of others on something as stupid as how much people weigh.  You can have your fashion, I’ll keep my respect for myself and other people.  I know which one is actually more important.  Apparently no one ever told you to treat others as you would want to be treated.  If they did, it obviously didn’t sink in.

Who’s not whose

@aldane - it’s just to piss people off. the writer is obviously ignorant and feels the need to aggravate others ahaha

I’m a size 2 but that doesn’t mean everyone else is

Yep.  I agree.  I think that (some) plus-sized people just want to make themselves the victim and whine and complain about stores not having their size.  Seriously, if they put all that effort that they take complaining into eating better or even finding a store that actually sells clothes their size, it would be fine.  But, no, companies have to cater to them or else it’s discrimination or something.  

And I’m not skinny.  I’m average.  Yes, average.  And I can fit into clothes at any store.  So don’t tell me that overweight is average because it’s not. 

Thank you so much for writing this. I’m sick of overweight/obese people bitching about not fitting into clothing that is not intended for their body, or for certain stores not catering to their unhealthy lifestyles. If I owned a clothing store, I sure as hell wouldn’t want obese people advertising my brand either. If you’re unable to find clothing that fits you in ANY store, maybe it’s time to re-evaluate what you’re putting in your mouth. As for all the overweight people who say they can’t lose weight, bullshit. I used to be overweight and I decided I was done being lazy and gluttonous. You either care enough to take care of yourself or you don’t.

I have to say right now that whoever wrote this is an idiot. Shame on Lovelyish for accepting this post. It’s obviously demeaning and tactless.

Lol… You’re kind of fat huh?? Well I love your fat nerve! Maybe we complain because paying 50 bucks for a pair of Lane Bryant pants gets annoying, no matter how good they make my booty look. But like you said, we should just lose weight, I mean, have we tried? And what size are you again?? Riiight, kind of fat. Great post lmfao.

I’m kinda at a funny size… I can buy from most “normal stores,” but I usually have a lot of issues finding stuff to fit my breasts. Stretchy shirts and tees fit just fine, but more fitted stuff (button ups and whatnot) don’t fit my upper area. Dresses and swimming suits are even harder to find, but that’s another story entirely.

I’ve tried to shop at plus size stores, in order to accommodate my “plus sized” body parts. Unfortunately, most plus sized stuff doesn’t fit me either. It’s too big and baggy around my stomach, even if it fits my boobs.

So, I’m at this weird in between place. I can sometimes find stuff from normal stores and sometimes stuff from plus sized stores. But really, very few things fit correctly. Too small for plus sized and too big for normal. *sighs* Pain in the butt!

@needmoreink@xanga - Just wanted to say, I love you for that comment. I’m sooo sick of all the judgment based on size or looks or whatever. People are people, fat or skinny, ugly or beautiful. And I agree, superficial, disrespectful people ARE ruining our society. How sad!

@betterdesigned@xanga - AGREED.  The problem is that a lot of the commenters are also demeaning and tactless so I guess they’re sort of catering to their target audience.  “I’m sick of overweight people complaining blah blah blah.”  Idk about you, but I’m sick of tactless bitches, be they fat, skinny, purple, white, or green– complaining.  If they can’t have tact and respect, then they should consider shutting the fuck up!

@jenessa1889@xanga - Mmmm agreed. I’m in that in-between state too. I can find SOME stuff at normal stores (I usually wear L or XL in those stores), but I have big boobs. Therefore, most stuff that is button-up or non-stretch won’t fit over my breasts, even if it fits my abdomen. So, I tried to shop at some plus sized stores, but that stuff fits my boobs and not my stomach. It looks like a tent, like you said. There is a gap of people who are in-between and we get totally screwed. Shopping is so irritating to me because of this. 

@Masked_Melody@xanga - Thank-you!  I know, it is sad.  We all have problems with our bodies of some sort, it’s really stupid that we use it against each other.

@ventimochamom@xanga - Yeah, I certainly HAVEN’T tried lately, how about you?  I like to sit around on my big ol’ lazy fat white butt and complain.  Sheesh…morons.

@needmoreink@xanga - Agreed with you on that one. I read, maybe, three comments and had to click off Lovelyish. People are just so ignorant! I wish Lovelyish actually did what they are say they are and give people objectivity and an array of posts that encourage them to be the best they can. This kind of post just generates hate on so many different levels and it’s not the first of its nature.

@needmoreink@xanga - It seems to be the new trend to hate fat women. I never see posts about fat men, their belly rolls dont seem to matter. But women, oh no, how dare them be fat?!? And then have the nerve to complain!?!? Blasphemy. I am sick of it, tired of defending myself. Being skinny does not automatically make you cute, and it damn sure doesn’t mean your perfect. Being fat doesn’t make me the victim and being skinny doesn’t mean you have to be a bitch. I agree with all your comments.

@Apple_or_a_Gun@xanga - I’m the same.  I’m petite size, so I should shop at a petite store, except my boobs are a D size (not petite) and I have womanly hips.  My bit of a tummy doesn’t help either.  So plus size for petite?! Yeah right…

@jenessa1889@xanga - While I have been neither a nicotine addict nor an overweight person, I would venture to say that substance addiction is much harder to overcome. Losing weight is very simple: calories consumed – calories burned = weight lost. And in fact, overweight people burn calories more quickly than someone of a healthy size, because their heart must work harder to support their extra weight. But most people are not educated about healthy eating, and go about weight loss in all the wrong ways. When I wanted to lose weight earlier this year (after gaining the fabled freshman 15 that I had thought was mythical), I did my research. I didn’t consume a single salad, but I worked out 2 hours a day, ate plenty of protein and high-energy foods, and lost ten pounds and a inch from my waist after two months.

People give up when they don’t see results, either because they did not know how, or because they were not patient enough to keep up with their routine day after day. It’s exhausting, to be sure, but it’s worth it. I highly doubt that 54% of all Americans have thyroid problems that make them overweight, and thus the only explanation can be that people lack determination and education with regard to weight loss. Thus people resort to “self-acceptance,” because putting a band-aid on the problem is easier than fixing the root of it. It’s a different matter entirely if people are genuinely happy being overweight and not giving a good goddamn. But in that case, stop complaining about your conscious choice to remain outside the target audience of these trendy teenage stores.

You already stated that you are a size 12 in boobs only, but would be nowhere near otherwise. I have a pretty big ass for my otherwise tiny frame, so I have to go up in dresses, too. But I love my body because it is lean and strong, and since a high percentage of it is muscle I can conclude that this shape is my natural shape as dictated by bones, not layers of fat pretending to be what I was born with.

I have nothing against plus sized girls, I’m not tiny myself, but I fucking HATE when people try to argue it by saying “well it’s the most common size now”.

Does that mean since lung cancer from smoking, since it’s one of the most common things in america, means it’s okay to smoke?

Why is everyone on here saying that Marilyn Monroe would be plus sized if she lived today? It’s definitely NOT a fact and NOT true.  Historians (verified through the fashion designers that made clothing tailored for her) have been able to ascertain her measurments, weight, etc.  Here’s a tidbit from the official MM website:

Height: 5 feet 5 1/2 inches
Weight: Varied, 115 – 120 lbs.
Measurements: 37-23-36 (Studio’s Claim); 35-22-35 (Dressmaker’s Claim)

If you compare this to a size chart at the Gap, this correlates to a size 0 for her waist and a 4 for her hips/bust.  So yes, she was curvy as hell (damnit, aren’t we all super-jealous?) but definitely not plus-sized, ESPECIALLY by today’s standards.  She was like the Kim Kardashian of her time.

@soulfuric - You just stated that you have never had to quit a substance addiction and that you have never been overweight.  Obviously you are educated about exercise and nutrition, and I agree that it’s pretty common sense and that it takes hard work and determination to make it work.  I know this because I’m doing it now.  I WISH I had 2 hours a day to exercise, but that’s beside the point.  I do what I can with what I have.

My problem is with people who judge others, call names, and basically trash-talk people who are in situations they themselves have NEVER experienced.  It shows a lack of tact and open-mindedness, and I wouldn’t expect people to treat you in a civil manner if you don’t do the same.

It’s much more of a pain in the ass to be in-between plus sized and normal sized >_< Plus sized stores, for the most part, are too big for me. They assume that because my hips are bigger that my legs must be huge as well..and they are not. And normal sizes barely cater to big boobs or big hips so I’m stuck in the middle and get my clothes from everywhere, hoping they friggin fit.

Someone else mentioned it, but Torrid is quite expensive and cheaply made. I have found some cute things from there, but they hardly last and I usually wait until the stuff goes on clearance to buy it. Old Navy is fairly priced, but they have begun raising their prices too (these changes came with the new president of the company.) For a thrifty shopper, or someone concerned with cash, then finding decent cute plus sized clothing is an ordeal. Lane Bryant is horrendously priced and while one may find clothes at Wal Mart or Target, they aren’t the best quality.

I worked at Old Navy and I heard just as many complaints from size zero, super thin girls that they couldn’t find clothing small enough. Both sides of the scale aren’t thrilled.

I do have to mention though- I have never heard a thin girl walk by Torrid and say, “Man, I wish I could wear that stuff.” Why do I think that is? They have a wider variety of clothing available.

Why so much distress over something as simple as clothing?

I say we should just go naked. Problem solved

@aWishfulCynic@xanga - Thank you

@ventimochamom@xanga - Thank-you   Yayyyy for double-standards!

@needmoreink@xanga - I work full-time during the summer, and am a full-time student during the rest of the year, but I always find time for my workout, because it’s one of my priorities. I understand that it is not for a vast majority of the population. I am just disgusted by the level of health of this country, and I think people are too used to being coddled. The weight to which you would float if you ate whatever the hell you wanted and moved only when necessary is not your “natural” body shape. I don’t want my taxes to pay for the bills of heart disease patients who brought it upon themselves. If you make a choice that impacts your health or appearance, don’t raise a ruckus about its consequences. I complained about doing poorly in accounting this year, but I fully realized that it was my own damn fault for not studying hard enough.

I apologize for my offensive word choice, however. This topic infuriates me like none other.

agreeeeeeeed.

wow, I”m a little offended by this post. You know how many stores there are for skinny people or “normal” clothes sizes? I am so serious. I hope some day  you experience having to only get to choose from 4 different stores, all of which sell different styles, and have to live in their clothes. Skinny people can go anywhere to buy clothes. I have to shop at Lane Bryant, Torrid, or Romans to get my clothes because that’s pretty much all I have to choose from. I had the gastric bypass and only when I hit size 16 was I able to buy at regular stores. If you’re lucky, you can buy from stores like Walmart, but they sell really tacky crappy clothes. 

Torrid bases their styles on where they are located. If you live in Poughkeepsie, their Torrid sells preppy clothes, if you live in West Nyack, they sell more gothic and club style clothes. There isn’t a Torrid where I live within 50 miles. In fact, I dont’ know where one is at all. I have to travel 45 minutes to a mall far away to get clothes from Lane Bryant which sells crappy clothes for women in their 30-40′s and they are “business” type clothes. I am more of a casual person, so my best bet is Fashion Bug, but even they are switching to mostly preppy business style clothes not to mention, to quote my favorite What Not To Wear host Staci, they are disposable, in that they fall apart easily. I can stroll the mall and site about 20 different clothing stores JUST for “normal people.” 
Also, Fat people aren’t spoiled, they are the majority. The retailers and designers are realizing that the “normal” size of an average American woman is actually a size 14. That is considered plus. (Which I think is a joke, but whatever) So they are expanding their clothing sizes to make more money from the average consumer. None of us fat people are begging them to, or bitching because they haven’t already. Although in my opinion, we should be able to without criticizm, considering you my love, are the minority.

@soulfuric - No, plus size is a size 14 and above. 12 is still normal sizes, hence the point most stores sell up to a size 12. And BTW, women who are plus sizes aren’t all cows. I get told I’m pretty all the time. 

@CommunismIsForLovers@xanga - 

why should you have to shop at a specialty store while skinny people don’t? I’ll tell you. Society has decided that thin is beautiful and fat is grotesque. Yeah, that sucks for you, but it is what it is. Deal with it. For all the people that say big is beautiful, society doesn’t agree with you and those people need to realize that. These stores don’t want your business. If they did, they’d sell your size.

I realise that the following is going to make you all think I’m a total bitch, but I honestly don’t really care.

@needmoreink@xanga - ‘Yeah, I certainly HAVEN’T tried lately, how
about you?  I like to sit around on my big ol’ lazy fat white butt and
complain.  Sheesh…morons.’
‘I WISH I had 2 hours a day to exercise, but that’s beside the point.  I do what I can with what I have.’

You’re going to hate me for this, but judging by the number of comments I’ve seen by you on here, you do seem to be spending an awful lot of time sitting around, complaining on the internet, rather than doing something productive.

I realise that I have probably spent a bit more time on here than I should have in the last couple of weeks, but I’m still finding time to work out (I’m going for a run in an hour), and if I didn’t have enough time, I certainly wouldn’t be wasting time by complaining on the internet about my lack of time.

Lack of time is rarely a good excuse. If you want to do it, you make time. They’ve done fitness studies in prisons (where people have unlimited time), that showed that they still had a similar drop-out rate from the fitness program (ie very high) compared to the real world.

Anyone who spends time whining on the internet about anything has enough time to get a little fitter.

Obviously, there isn’t as much offering of stylish clothing for plus-size women. I see both sides of the argument.

However, “plus size” women are more common in the U.S. Wouldn’t it be more profitable to market to them as well?

@soulfuric - Being overweight doesn’t necessarily make you unhealthy. And being thin doesn’t necessarily make you healthy.

My aunt is very petite and skinny, yet has high cholesterol levels. I can refer you to this article which points out that there are many people who are overweight and are perfectly healthy.

“In the study, about 51 percent of overweight adults, or
roughly 36
million people nationwide, had mostly normal levels of blood pressure,
cholesterol, blood fats called triglycerides and blood sugar. Almost
one-third of obese adults, or nearly 20 million people, also
were in this healthy range, meaning that none or only one of those
measures was abnormal. Yet about a fourth of adults in the
recommended-weight range had
unhealthy levels of at least two of these measures. That means some 16
million of them are at risk for heart problems. It’s no secret that
thin people can develop heart-related problems
and that fat people often do not. But that millions defy the
stereotypes will come as a surprise to many people, Sowers said.”

So those tax dollars you don’t want to spend to pay for all the “heart disease patients who brought it upon themselves” could just as easily be for someone thin as someone overweight.

@Anna - Excuse me…you have absolutely no right to judge how I am spending my time.  I work 9 to 5.  I multitask very well.  Also, I really DO wish I had 2 hours a day to exercise; that was not a whiny complaint, but a statement of fact.  I have one full-time job, 2 part-time jobs, and am a full-time student.  I said that I do what I can with what I have because I DO (I’m going for a run too, at 6:00).  I do NOT just sit around and complain on the Internet.  In fact, I do not have Internet or television at my apartment.  I cook my own food and eat out twice a month at the most.  I run in the evenings on the 5 days a week when I don’t work a 12-hour day.  Perhaps instead of commenting to your bullshit claims I should get up from my desk and run a lap around the block.  You are a complete idiot.  And defending myself against stupidity and bitchiness is not the same thing as whining.  I don’t whine but I do stick up for myself.

I don’t hate you, but you’re right in that I think you are a judgmental bitch.  I was offended by what you said for about 30 seconds, and then I realized who the sad individual is in this situation.  I actually think it’s pretty funny how awesome you are in your own mind.

I would rather be me any day, at any weight, than be someone with the type of personality to say what you said without knowing anything of someone else’s life.  If you want to say anything else, go to my blog and say it to my virtual face.

@soulfuric - Judging by everything I’ve read here, it infuriates a lot of people.  I don’t like laziness at all; in fact, I have absolutely no respect for lazy people.  But I also don’t tolerate stereotyping and hasty judgments (i.e. fat = lazy, etc).

I get worked up about this stuff too   (see above….haha).

@MissPixieGlitter@xanga - that contradicts what I have read.   according to snopes.com a size 10 now is smaller than a size 10 years ago.

@Masked_Melody@xanga - yeah that’s my exact problem and I love how buttons ups look but I can’t wear them either for that reason.   if i had the kind of time and money I needed I would get them at plus sized stores and go to a tailor but right now I just have to deal.   clothes with stretch are a god send, but then I always have to hear my mom saying how my boobs look like they’re gonna bust out fo shirt lol

@needmoreink@xanga - All I know is, every thread I’ve looked at in the short time I’ve been here on Lovelyish, you seem to have about a dozen comments in each of them. I personally don’t slack off at work on the internet, so I tend to assume that other people don’t either. I’m not sorry. I say what I see and I see you spending *a lot* of time here and then complaining that you don’t have enough time.

“If you want to say anything else, go to my blog and say it to my virtual face”.
I actually have no inclanation whatsoever to read your blog or comment there (what a waste of time that would be). But again, I do think it’s interesting that you have the time to write a blog, and yet you “don’t have enough time”.

Off for my run now…

@Anna - Whatever.  Screw you.  Have a nice time being self-righteous and enjoy the view from your ivory fucking tower.

@soulfuric - well substance addiction should be that simple to.   just don’t do it, right?  especially with cigarettes where you can’t die from the withdrawl, worst comes to worst someone straps you to a table and doesn’t give you a cig for 4 days.

Just as there’s so much more to it with a substance addiction, the same is true of weight.   If it were really just that everyone could and would do it easily.   But so many times that rule of in vs. out is violated.   think of plateaus for example.   people trying to lose weight could lose ten pounds, then go weeks doing the exact same things where they lose nothing, and then lose another ten pounds the next month, having never changed a thing in their diet and exercise routine that entire time.

i’m glad that weight lose was that easy for you, but it’s simply not for others.   every body is not the same.   there are plenty of overweight people who could do exactly what you did and not lose a pound or gain it right back.   also, if you were always one weight and you gained 15 and then immediately tried to lose it that’s easy.   the older the get the harder it is, and the longer you’ve had the weight on you the harder it is.   also, when your body makes new adipose cells (the ones that store fat) you don’t lose them when you lose weight, you only drain them of the fat, so past a certain point those fat cells are drained but still taking up space.   only liposuction can remove them.

I agree that it’s not all a thyroid problem, and I don’t think you can just say it’s genetics and leave it at that, but genetics do make it harder or easier for some people.   like i said, two people can do the same thing and one will lose weight and the other won’t.Beyond that, as other posters have pointed out, not only does plus sized =/= overweight but overweight does not always equal unhealthy.   if you’re only 10 pounds overweight your body won’t really know the difference for the most part.

I think coming at it from an aesthetic perspective is fundamentally the wrong way to go about it, and I think that’s why we have such a problem in this country.   If we tackled it as a health issue we’d be significantly more successful than our current attempts to simply belittle the overweight and tell them they’re ugly.   If it’s a health issue then we can separate out who needs to lose and who doesn’t by something other than the highly inaccurate dress size or BMI or charts like that that simply cannot take into account personal differences.   If someone has healthy cholesterol and blood pressure and everything else then it’s no one’s business but theirs what they actually weigh.

Honestly, to me the idea that we’re going to use dress sizes to encourage people to lose weight is no different than the idea of encouraging children to make fun of fat kids to make them lose weight.   If it worked, which it won’t, it would be wrong to do it.

Another thing on the cigarettes: hitting someone in the wallet is a lot different than attacking them as a person.

and if someone’s happy and fat, why should we take it upon ourselves to make them feel bad about themselves?   grown adults get to make their own choices.   as long as they know the health risks it’s their choice if they want to ignore it

@thegreenlinda@xanga - i’ve always heard it reversed, that sizes have gotten smaller so whatever she was  then she’d have to go up a few now.   In fact what i’ve read said what you said, that she needed everything tailored anyway, but that she was around an 8 then, which is more like a 10-12ish today, so the opposite numbers

@glittershadow@xanga - that may be dependent on the store.   i’ve seen many stores where 12 is plus sized and actually some plus sized models are size 10′s

@jenessa1889@xanga - LOL yeah, I have that same problem (with the boobs busting out hehe). Pain in the butt, for sure. I hate getting dresses and stuff too, because they always fit me awkwardly. I have to get larger sizes than necessary, because of my boobs. Swimming suits are the same issue. Nothing fits my boobs. hehe 

@needmoreink@xanga - It’s just my opinion, but if your going to judge me on one single thing I’ve said so be it. I’ll let you continue to think I’m a horrible person when really you don’t know me at all.

@Masked_Melody@xanga - i feel like I’m talking to my twin lol.   i’m seriously considering a reduction because of those problems.   i really can’t shop anywhere

@jenessa1889@xanga - I’ve thought of that kinda thing before as well. I don’t know that I’d ever go through with it though. It is difficult to find clothes, but I deal. Hehe, it is comforting to know that I’m not alone!  

@TheDeadWhale@xanga - Never said you were a horrible person but I’m pretty much done with this thread.  Everybody have fun.

I used to have this problem and get really upset, but now I find it easy to find clothes in my sizes that I like. I guess thats because my upper half is a lot smaller than my lower half, and I can usually fit into Juniors XL, depending on materials and stuff. 

@Masked_Melody@xanga - yeah i flip flop on it too, no worries =)

Why doesn’t everyone just worry about themselves and stop poking their fucking noses in everyone elses lives? This post is stupid, who are you to tell overweight people where to shop? 

No. I don’t agree. I’m not saying every since store should carry every single size, but I do think stores like forever 21 should cater to people larger than a L. They consider XL a plus size. Honestly, that’s pretty ridiculous. Also, a medium, that’s not fat. If you ACTUALLY were a larger person, perhaps you would have a different opinion. It really sucks going to a mall, and seeing tons of cute stores (Forever 21, Bebe, Anthropologie, etc, etc) that don’t carry your size. And the whole “just go to a plus sized store” is b.s. How many plus size stores do you see? The only ones that exist, exist because…The other stores don’t carry those clothes. DUH. Quite a few of them are only online, or not in everyones area.
Your mall has ONE plus size store? Really! How wonderful. How many other stores does it have? I’m sure it’s easy for you to tell everyone who is bigger that they can just go shop in that one store.
Do you think it’s FUN for people to go the mall and not be able to try on clothes at any store? How do you think it makes people feel for you to say “just go to a plus size store”, did you even think at all? Some people are bigger by nature, you can be defined as “Overweight” and still be perfectly healthy.

Also, it’s pretty obvious you have an attitude just from reading what you wrote, and the way you wrote it. Did you know you don’t have to be a bitch? To quote you “I know it’s not easy, but have you tried?”

I think if anyone feels that they need certain type of clothing because it is hard to find their size they should probably do something by writing to the clothing companies. If enough people do this, they will probably consider making larger/smaller size clothing in their stores.

I meant to comment on this earlier, but this made me laugh.  No.  I don’t agree with you at all.  I think stores should sell clothes that cater to the average sized woman that lives in the area they are located.  If the average woman wears a size 14 (or Junior’s size 15), they should carry those sizes. 

Not every place has stores that works for plus sized girls, especially if you live in a smaller city.  I can understand the desire to have clothes sold in the other stores but in your size.  The alternative sometimes is frumpy clothes.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - like like like. nicely put! you took the words right out of my mouth.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - soooo true!!

@aWishfulCynic@xanga

 - @rafi09@xanga - “I really don’t think you understand until you’re in their shoes.

Tell me, have you ever been overweight, struggling to find some good and decent clothes to wear? Maybe it’s not their style or taste in those plus sized stores. Every story is different, maybe it’s physically impossible to lose weight, or maybe it is.

I don’t have much to say in this, but before you start accusing, know how it truly feels.”

I KNOW how truly it feels. If I was stick skinny, I wouldn’t have written this post to begin with. I have been overweight. I have struggled to find the perfect dress or the perfect pair of jeans. So excuse me, YOU stop accusing me. I have been in their shoes and I know what it feels. I’m still overweight, most of it is muscles from track. But I lost a lot of weight and can fit into large or medium. Kay, thanks.

Wow, they have a lot more plus sized stores in America than in England. I don’t personally shop in them, but I have plus sized friends and they have to internet buy (which doesn’t give them the “omg lets all go shopping!” white-chicks-girly-excitement-rush-or-whatever) because otherwise they’ve got Bon Marche or Evans. 

& Believe me – you just don’t go in those stores. You just don’t. Actually, Evan’s isn’t so bad, but my mother said to me “Soph, if you ever catch me going into Bon Marche, please send me to a nursing home, because I will have lost my mind”; and my mother is blind. I’m not joking, but the state of shopping in this country really is a joke!
As for some of the arguments on here, it’s good to see people getting passionate about stuff to be honest. It makes me laugh when people pop up to say something like: “STOP ARGUING *insert angry phrase/word/face*” when clearly all they’re doing is expressing an angry, argumentative half-opinion themselves.  
This post is offensive and controversial, but it got every one talking!

@xFgtxRainbowx@xanga - Everyone doesn’t have to agree. It’s a free country. Forever21 DOES cater to larger people. They even have a special plus-sized line. I’m a medium now because I exercise and burned all the fat off. I HAVE BEEN IN THEIR SHOES AND I KNOW HOW IT FEELS LIKE. You can’t blame clothes for being too small. All you have is too blame yourself for not being able to fit into it. At least they exist and most stores are making larger sizes. Few of them?!?!?!??! There are MANY online stores so you can buy plus-sized items.  My mall has more plus sized stores like Layne Bryant but I only went into that particular store. There is no fat gene, as someone else pointed out previously. I never said being overweight means unhealthy. Now your just bringing up stuff I never mentioned. Sorry, my attitude is genetic! I’m a bitch, I know but I didn’t try to be while writing this post. I know it’s not easy. But have you tried? Have you? I TRIED. I tried and now I don’t have to suffer. 

@ccarothers@xanga - I live in a really small city. Plenty of plus-sized stores. If you can’t find clothes where you live… have you tried online shopping? 

@xDanielle01@xanga - I’m not telling them where to shop. They can shop wherever the hell they want; if they can fit into it.

@jenessa1889@xanga - An educated health enthusiast knows that it is necessary to change up one’s workout routine every few weeks, because doing exactly the same workout consistently is exactly the wrong way to go about it. You have to confuse your body so that it never gets used to a particular exercise, and thus avoid plateaus. That is the reason why workout plans like p90x are so successful (and so exhausting), because the exercises are quick, intense, and change every day.

If an overweight person did what I did, I guarantee you they would lose weight. And they would only gain it back if they reverted to old habits. Age is indeed a factor, but I am thinking mostly of the young overweight girls who choose not to make healthy choices while they still can. And if not through body image, which is the most obvious way to judge if someone is overweight, what do you propose? A fat tax, to “hit their wallets” instead of their person? The fact of the matter is, weight is something inherently visual, and no matter how you phrase it, it will be more offensive to say to someone “I think you should lose a few pounds” than “I think you should drop smoking.”

I am not advocating that everyone adopt as strict a workout plan as mine, or that everyone should be athletic and muscular, but I don’t understand why people wouldn’t want to feel stronger and more energetic through exercise and eating. And frankly, I do think my fit body is more beautiful than a fat one.

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - ”Obesity accounts for 2-6% of total health care costs in several
developed countries; some estimates put the figure as high as 7%. The
true costs are undoubtedly much greater as not all obesity-related
conditions are included in the calculations.”

“The likelihood of developing Type 2 diabetes and hypertension rises
steeply with increasing body fatness. Confined to older adults for most
of the 20th century, this disease now affects obese children even before
puberty. Approximately 85% of people with diabetes are type 2, and of
these, 90% are obese or overweight.”

“Raised BMI also increases the risks of cancer of the breast, colon,
prostate, endometroium, kidney and gallbladder. Chronic overweight and
obesity contribute significantly to osteoarthritis, a major cause of
disability in adults. Although obesity should be considered a disease in
its own right, it is also one of the key risk factors for other chronic
diseases together with smoking, high blood pressure and high blood
cholesterol.”

All quotes from the World Health Organization.

The last sentence leads me to believe that high cholesterol and weight are two distinct risk factors, thus your aunt’s example does not really lead me to discount weight as a killer. There will always be exceptions, but exceptions do not change the fact that the fat are also too often the sick. While correlation is not always the same as causation, I think it is a safe assumption to make that fatness and disease go hand in hand.

@kittenwalks - Um this whole post is about where overweight people should shop, maybe you should’ve proofread better.. How about you stop caring so much about obese/overweight people and worry about not being so judgmental? If a person wears an XL and feels the need to wear a M then who the hell cares? It’s their life, stay out of it and worry about your own. That simple.

@soulfuric - my brother’s doing that p90x right now.

I really think you’re missing the point.   There are some people who can shed pounds in an instant and others who cannot, and it’s got nothing to do with anything they can control.   some people are just naturally bigger and have to literally work their asses of to be even remotely close to what most people consider thin.   plenty of people instead choose to be happy and healthy and 20 pounds overweight.

It does not have to be visual at all because no one other than a person’s doctor should ever tell them what they aught to do about their weight, and your doctor doesn’t just size you up to make that decision.   I think part of the problem is that you’re coming at it from the perspective that any joe schmoe does in fact have the right to judge someone based on their weight which we do not.   neither of us is a medical expert and neither of us knows their personal experiences and genetics nor do we know what their current health is, so we have absolutely no right to look at someone and think anything in particular about them based on their weight.   of course, if someone’s 300 pounds over weight that’s quite obvious and a call we could make, but the average overweight person is only a little overweight and we’ve got no way of knowing if they even are overweight and if it’s actually to the point of being an issue.

you have a right to feel that way (and I personally agree that I would not want to be overweight) and you have a right to find a particular size more attractive, but trying to manipulatively force that aesthetic ideal on another person is just wrong.

@soulfuric - Yes, correlation does not imply causation, yet you still make assumptions and generalize anyway. Not all overweight people are unhealthy, and not all thin people are healthy. Looking at this, there are obviously other factors involved in disease, which can be environmental, genetic, lifestyle, etc. that can affect both thin and overweight individuals. While weight can be a factor, you seem to have the attitude that all people that are overweight are unhealthy, which they’re not. 

Hey Lovelyish editors,

I think we’re completely sick of posts about “fatties vs. skinnies”.

Plzkthx.

@quebert06@xanga - Just because society deems something a certain way doesn’t make it right. 
At one point women couldn’t vote and black people could only go to places for “Negros”.
Its an extreme comparison, I know that, but just because “society” decides something doesn’t necessarily mean we should just accept it.
And ACTUALLY, these stores DO carry my size, thanks.  There’s nothing wrong with being plus sized, but I’m not.

@xeasternxglow@xanga - I’ve read an excerpt of it in my AP English class in High School, I believe.  I definitely see the correlation.  Its on my list of things to read before I die, though.

every time I go into a “NORMAL” or “AVERAGE” store, there’s tons of XXL, XL, or L. There’s never M, S or XS and if there are…it’s one or two. Same with pants. I wear a 1 to a 3 and I can never find those sizes. There’s always more larger sizes then smaller sizes. So, what’s the problem again?

this post seems a tad bitchy to me.

I mean, really, if you’re posting this, you clearly haven’t STRUGGLED like some people do.’

Losing weight isn’t that simple, and the fact of the matter is, a lot of places don’t have trendy plus size stores. Because one, there are so few to begin with, at least in comparison to all the trendy stores that carry “normal” sized clothing. And everyone wants to be able to wear something cute.

My weight has been a huge struggle for me the past few years, and I’m only a teenager. There AREN’T ANY stores with bigger clothing around here that is stylish for girls my age. I pretty much hide out in my house whenever possible, because I have NOTHING cute to wear, nothing that looks good on me, and it just makes me feel so terrible.

I don’t know. Maybe I’m a terrible person. Maybe I don’t exactly deserve to feel good about myself or wear cute clothes, but I know a lot of heavier people who are actually really good deserving people, and I know they struggle with this too. And it’s not right. Why should they have to deal with this, when it doesn’t HAVE to be like this.

At least skinny people can buy clothes that are too big, and at least they’re covered up. But if heavier people can’t find anything else, sometimes they HAVE to wear something that is too tight, and that causes terrible judgements about them. Like that they’re in denial about they’re weight or something. People look down upon it, but did you ever think it’s not a CHOICE? Maybe they sometimes just can’t find anything else. I mean, I’ve had points where I had nothing that fit properly, and it’s not easy to find close that do when you’re not a twig… and I can’t exactly leave the house naked to go shopping for clothes that fit right, so on a couple of occasions I HAVE had to wear clothes I know were too tight, and don’t think I didn’t hate myself for every second of it. But sometimes it must be done…

If there were a decent amount of plus-sized shops everywhere, I’d have no issue. But the fact is, they’re AREN’T. They’re are probably HUNDREDS of non-plus sized stores in the mall here, and ONE plus-sized store, that really seems to cater to pretty much JUST older women. That’s not fair. I think people have a right to complain.

@smilesawakeyou@xanga - Most of the stores I go in with my friends that are average either have juniors sizes, or there sizes run WAY small. So just because they have a size labeled “XXL” doesn’t mean the store caters to plus-sized people at all… so that’s the problem.

@AGreatPerhaps@xanga - stores shouldn’t be “catering” to a certain size. plain and simple. if you don’t fit into it then oh well. There’s so many things I would love to fit into, but I can’t. I don’t make XANGA POSTS about it. That’s life and life is a bitch. on another level, Rock your body confidence, because no matter what the piece of clothing is, it won’t look good if you don’t look confident.

@xDanielle01@xanga -  Totally missing my point. The reason I wrote this is because people were complaining that some stores didn’t have enough big sizes. Simple, goto stores that do.

@AGreatPerhaps@xanga - I’ve struggled. Don’t go assuming. That’s why I wrote this post. Because I understand.

@smilesawakeyou@xanga - So you’d enjoy seeing overweight people walking around naked because they can’t find clothes that fit? Okay. If that’s what you want.

The whole point is clothes are sort of a necessity as public nudity is actually a crime. If stores don’t sell clothes that fit people of every size, then what the hell are overweight people supposed to do? Really?

@smilesawakeyou@xanga - you go girl! Thank god that someone gets what I’m saying.. I’m not skinny but I know how skinny people have trouble finding clothes that fit too.

@kittenwalks - You clearly don’t since you wrote this the way you did. You can’t shop at plus-sized stores if there AREN’T any, plain and simple. So I mean, it may work okay for you, because you’re lucky, but plus-sized stores aren’t NEARLY as common as they should be and that makes it really hard for a lot of people. It worked out for you… great… but that doesn’t mean it will for everyone. I mean, take note how you talk about things at “your” mall. There are three in this vicinity, and all of them only have one plus sized store which sells nice clothes… if you’re a middle-aged woman…

I mean, my whole point is that there AREN’T enough plus-sized stores… that’s the whole issue. Have separate stores, I don’t give a flying fuck if they feel the need to have separate stores for different size people, but there are hundreds of “normal” size stores WHEREVER you go, pretty much anywhere, and there are always WAY less plus-sized stores, a lot of times there are pretty much none at all… and clothes are a necessity… for everyone.

@therantingprophet@revelife - I already been through that… Don’t ASSUME.

@kittenwalks - I never once said you didn’t know how it feels. I was just asking for a solution that helps out people like me as well.

Please re-read my comment. All I was doing was showing you a reason why a lot of us are still complaining about the size issue. And if you notice, I pointed out that the main problem is there not being enough of the sizes that most woman in our country fit. I was giving you a situation in which the people you are addressing could be talking about. Because normally when I hear people complain about sizes, they’re complaining about what I said in my comment.

There are few plus size stores to begin with, and the ones that exist are extremely expensive (trust me, I’ve tried getting outfits from those stores…I’m lucky if I can leave with 2) or not available in everyone’s mall (that store you mentioned, I’ve never heard of it and I know it’s not in my mall or coming to my mall soon because I was just looking at the list of stores in my mall to see if I could find a plus size store; another example–Torrid, I have to drive 1.5 hours to find the nearest Torrid). Cheaper stores like Target and Walmart either don’t have enough of the sizes despite the sizes being the most common or they don’t fit like they were made for a human. You said that regular stores shouldn’t have to be accommodating. Even if you’re not talking about Walmart or Target, I’ve also seen this issue in stores like Macy’s or Dillard’s. I’m asking you then what those of us in my situation should do. You instead addressed the other comment and just lumped me in with it. If you’re so familiar with the issue on sizes that you don’t see this common situation as an issue, then please tell me why.

@AGreatPerhaps@xanga - Exactly, this is the real issue. This post seems to assume that everyone is complaining about not being able to fit into clothes in stores like Abercrombie and Fitch. That’s not what most people are complaining about.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - I don’t know how stores are supposed to make their clothes BIGGER? O_o

TBH, I’m a size small at the stores I shop at (Forever 21 etc.) If they made their clothes LARGER then what am I supposed to do? Everything would be too big for me, and to be fair, I’m not actually THAT tiny. I don’t even know what girls smaller than me do.

Besides, if their clothes didn’t fit the average woman, then that would mean their clientele pool would be smaller and they wouldn’t be doing that well. Stores want to make money and they do that by pitching to the majority.

@AGreatPerhaps@xanga - Shop online? Most stores nowadays have websites where you can buy the clothes online. I know it’s not as good as going to a store and trying things on BUT you can always return things if they don’t fit right and if a store notices that it’s shipping to enough people in an area it would probably think about opening an actual store there.
It’s better than nothing.

Okay so I get what you’re trying to say here, but I live in a place where there are NO plus-size stored that aren’t at least a PLANE RIDE away. I live in Hawaii and we don’t even have a Torrid in this state, but any other plus size store would be on a different island…so it would cost me $100 just to go shopping in the first place. I have to order everything online, and on top of it taking over a week to arrive, it makes the garment cost about $20 more. I have had the same clothes in my closet for 2 years. I have bought maybe 2 new skirts since then…but I can’t get jeans ANYWHERE.

The truth is, stores should carry ALL sizes. Its segregation. I agree with the other blogger who compared it to “Colored” places and “White” places in the 1960s. They couldn’t control their skin color just like I can’t control my bone structure. 

I should be able to go to the mall with my friends and go shopping with them and try on cute clothes at American Eagle. I am a size 16, and almost every store in my area only carries to a size 13 and their XLs are really tight.I shouldn’t have to change my body for anyone. I am healthy, I am a dancer and I am a singer which requires an incredible amount of overall agility believe it or not. But I am tall and I am curvy. Why should I have to go out of my way to buy over-priced clothes because I am a bit bigger? And as far as shirts go, I have a broad chest, so for every shirt that’s not a t-shirt or made from cotton, I have to get one size bigger to fit across my chest. And that’s not weight, that’s bone structure.I don’t know what kind of body you have but if you knew how embarrassing it is to be with your friends in a store and have to stand outside the dressing room and wait because everything is too small for you, then maybe you would have thought twice before posting this.

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - 
My aunt is very petite and skinny, yet has high cholesterol levels.

That doesn’t prove that obesity is not unhealthy. That just proves there are also other risks for high cholesterol apart from obesity (ie poor diet, even if it is not an overly calorific diet, genetics, etc).

“In the study, about 51 percent of overweight adults… had mostly normal levels of blood pressure, cholesterol, blood fats called triglycerides and blood sugar. Almost one-third of obese adults [had] none or only one of those measures was abnormal [ie this means that 2/3 of obese people had 2 or more in the unhealthy levels]. Yet about a fourth of adults in the recommended-weight range had unhealthy levels of at least two of these measures.“

Seriously? You think this study helps your argument? Did you not read it properly?

49% of overweight adults don’t even have ‘mostly’ normal health indicators! That’s 1 in 2 have health problems (and I’d bet a lot of money that the ones who don’t are younger and are likely to develop these problems in the future).

And the risk of having 2 or more of these health problems jumps from 25% if you are normal weight to 67% if you are obese! WTF!

Something doesn’t have to cause bad health in every single person to make it unhealthy. Not every smoker will get lung disease, but I know for a fact that it is unhealthy. If you take these kind of risks, you’re playing Russian roulette with your health.

I am plus sized, but I’m on the smaller size of plus size. If I shopped at a plus sized store, I’d be fitting into some of the smallest stuff they have and still have some room in the clothes.

I usually shop at Target or Old Navy because I’m still a large in my shirts and an 18 in pants/shorts. I’ve tried shopping at a plus sized store. It was either get pants that were baggy everywhere, no crotch and just not a good fit. OR stay with the pants that I love and get a good fit with. Trust me, I’ve tried shopping at a plus sized store. The clothes are not made for MY body type.

I would always suggest shopping around until you find some stores that carry clothes that fit you properly.

WOW did you really just say “I’m yes, kind of fat” and then say you can fit a medium and sometimes large??  oh hunny, re-evaluate your image of yourself.  you’re no where NEAR being fat!

@kittenwalks - well if you can fit a medium majority of the time you’re not fat at all if you don’t like how it fits you, don’t diet just eat healthy and tone up your stomach,  I’ve lost 61 pound since february, and i can wear a large again, but i have 20 pounds to go before I can fit a medium. you can add me if you’d like, I can give you tips/advice and what not.  :)  

@paige089@xanga - But… I am. I don’t know how to describe myself but I am. I lost weight from doing sports but my love for junk food is killing me. I’m dieting again to lose more weight.

edit: The last time I weighed myself, I was about 154 lb and I’m 5”4. So I am overweight but not obese. 26.3 or something is my BMI and… it’s over 25. 

@BeccaBarrett@xanga - I don’t know what kind of body you have but if you knew how embarrassing it is to be with your friends in a store and have to stand outside the dressing room and wait because everything is too small for you, then maybe you would have thought twice before posting this.

I know how it feels like. Once, I went into Forever 21 before I lost some weight and tried on a large top that was WAY too tight. I handed it to my friend; she has curves in the right places, since she does many sports. It fit her perfectly and I felt.. embarrassed. So I went out and did sports with her while she encouraged me. I know how it feels. 

@paige089@xanga - That would be amazing. I’m eating so much healthier but once in a week, I treat myself to scoop of ice cream. If you have a baby cousin who loves soda and junk, it’s hard to resist. But I jog for an hour everyday and do other activities. 

@Proud2B2003@xanga - I think you understand my point.

You should shop at places where clothes fit. 

@ntancin@xanga - Yeah, I’m obviously ignorant because people should shop at places where clothes fit instead of demanding larger sizes. Drop a few pounds, drop that cake, and eat veggies. Okay, jokes aside. you shouldn’t be judgmental.

@kittenwalks - didn’t see your edit before on your reply.  I need to get to 154 to be at 20% body fat myself.  (i’m just under 5’6″)  I have a large body frame so I hold my weight well. Once a week isn’t going to hurt you; it can actually help keep you sane while changing how you’re eating lol.  as for what you replied to that other person after you replied to me, that is a horrible feeling.  You’ll get there though, you don’t have much to lose so you’ll meet your goal in no time.  :)   I can’t exercise because my back is messed up, but I think I’m going to start swimming laps.  Not sure how well that will work out, but I guess I’ll find out lol

@AGreatPerhaps@xanga - Stop assuming things. Sorry, it’s annoying.

“You clearly don’t since you wrote this the way you did.” Well sometimes, life sucks. I can be understanding and comforting if it’s reasonable but sometimes you just want to say “GO COMPLAINT OUTSIDE, YOU NAGGING BITCH.” And I completely didn’t mean it that way. Just saying: think about the skinny POV. 

@paige089@xanga - Biking? Jogging? Walking for about an hour is as effective as running. I just learned how to bike. It’s actually fun.  

@rafi09@xanga - Okay, my mistake. Have you tried online shopping?

@kittenwalks - nope I can’t do any of that.  I broke my pelvic bone in a car vs. semi wreck when I was in highschool and even before I messed up my back it wasn’t comfortable at all to ride a bike.  Since my back is messed up jogging isn’t possible, and walking very much isn’t good either.  Occasionally one of my legs will go out from under me.  it’s no fun.  I’m doing alright not exercising and just dieting though, but I’d like to start swimming just to speed it up if it doesn’t make my back hurt more.

@paige089@xanga - Oh… well, good luck. How do you tone up your stomach? Do you mind sending it through message instead?

@kittenwalks - your settings are blocking it so I’ll add you.

@Anna - I would appreciate it if you refrained from putting words in my mouth. I did not say because my aunt is thin and has high cholesterol, that means obesity is healthy. In fact, you’ll find I said that being overweight does not mean you are unhealthy, and the only mention of obesity I made was the fact that it appeared in that study.

Most people here are talking about being maybe 10-15 pounds overweight, but nowhere near obese. Obesity is a problem and can lead to higher health risks. But so does being very thin. This girl is thin, but she took it to an extreme and she is far from healthy. You can’t make sweeping generalizations and say that every person that is overweight is unhealthy, and you cannot claim that just because you are thin, you are healthy. There are many other factors involved in addition to weight when it comes to health problems and diseases.

just the other day i was in the store, i was wondering if they’ll ever get it that there are not only normal height/normal weight or high and curvy pople but also people that are small and more of a XL people.. god damn that always makes me angry -.- btw. almost every fat/overweight person tries to lose wight.. 

We should not be made to FIT into clothes. Clothes should be tailored to us. Okay, I’m a very petite girl. I’m 4’9″, about 110 pounds and 34C breasts with somewhat of an ass. Okay, imagine me, going into stores trying to fit into clothes. I can’t buy pants at normal stores because they’re too long So I go into the children’s section of stores and they fit me fine but they’re unfashionable and sometimes they won’t go over my ass or thighs. I can go to Abercrombie Kids or the Gap or stores like that but I don’t want to pay a fortune for them. I found skinny jeans fit me fine in normal jean sizes but I can’t find them anywhere anymore. For shirts, it all depends. I just went shopping and bought a lot of shirts in a small, but they were all flowly and long and they fit me like a dress. If I bought a screen tee or something like that, I’d be a medium or a large because they wouldn’t go over my chest in a small. It’s a huge issue for me going out and buying one outfit because I’ll spend so much time just finding clothes that just FIT and then I have to put an outfit together.

@kittenwalks - I’ve gotten a couple items online. One sweater I needed for a play and I recently found that my bras are available online so I get those since I’m also unlucky enough to be stuck in the specialty bra stores. I avoid it though for any of my outwear that I would wear daily because I’m one of those people who really have to try things on. Shoulders aren’t proportionate to my chest, thighs and waist don’t fit in the same pants, those types of issues.

However, that is a solution for those lucky people who fit the way most clothes are made and who aren’t fluctuating in sizes a lot. I will admit that and I definitely didn’t think of that in either of my comments.

@kittenwalks - I’m thinking about everyone’s POV, and you aren’t here, and that’s the whole thing that pisses me off. You’re saying overweight people should shop and places that sell their size and at least try to lose weight. And I agree… but losing weight isn’t an instance process,  and it’s more difficult for some than others, it can take years and years of struggling for some and that doesn’t fix the problem NOW. And feel more than free to start a campaign opening more plus-sized stores, but the fact of the matter is that in a lot of places there are next to NONE. You can’t shop somewhere that doesn’t exist.

Like I said, at least for skinnier people, you can wear clothes that are too baggy, and avoid being judged. But no one EVER gives an overweight person a break for wearing something too tight… and no one ever stops to think that maybe that is all there is. I don’t care what size person you are, you HAVE to have clothes. And for some people it’s next to impossible to find clothes that fit or look good on them. And you have no idea how often that actually leaves overweight people like terrified to leave their house, and how is that fair.

If you can shop at normal stores sometimes, then you don’t know… what about those who can’t? And live in an area where there AREN’T any plus-sized stores? What do you expect THEM to do?

And can see how it would be hardr for skinny people to, so I don’t see why it’s so impossible to have stores in all regions that sell clothes of all sizes. Why is that such a ridiculous thing to want? I’m not at all saying normal size stores should make their clothes bigger, because that’s going to leave a whole different group out in the cold. I just want there to actually BE stores everywhere where people of a certain size can find clothes. Because the fact of the matter is at this point, there AREN’T plus-sized stores everywhere, and almost nowhere is there a good variety of them, like there are of stores that sell smaller clothing sizes, and it causes HUGE issues for those who don’t fit the sizes that society considers “normal”… it can kind of almost ruin someone’s life, and how is that fair?

And you can say people can shop online, but not always a possibility. Like for me… I’m a minor… my parents are super paranoid about buying things online… so not gonna happen for me. Not to mention, not everyone is completely dependent on the internet or knows how to use it. It’s just not going to work for everyone, and it’s still not really fair, because why should people not have the same opportunities to have a PHYSICAL store to go to wear they can really see the clothes, try them on, etc. before buying, just because they’re not the “right” size?

@jenessa1889@xanga - i think you just contradicted yourself.  it is true that sizes have gone “smaller” as the years have passed.  however, that doesn’t mean you “go up a few now.”  it only goes up in retrospect, thus the “opposite numbers.”

anything that was a size 12 back then is now an 8.  big (past) to small (now), since we agree that sizes have gone smaller over the years.  thus if she was an 8 in the past, she must have been a size 4 in today’s time (big to small).  only up the size when going backwards.

if we needed to “go up a few” to translate former and current sizing charts, then the large today, would be considered a small back then– and that goes against our established fact of sizes going smaller.

Plus size stores are way more expensive though, and they carry less of a selection. My solution? Ebay, craigslist, etc. There is no reason to buy almost anything first hand. Save some money and have fun finding cool things. Oh and stop complaining. Everyone has got things to deal with, and while I know it’s annoying when you can’t fit into things, you can try to make it work. Just think of it as another challenge. =) 

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - If the WHO is inclined to believe that excess weight is a risk factor for disease, then blimey, I think I’ll take their word over plaintiff “but if”s and personal anecdotes. Obviously not all fat people are going to collapse in the street of heart failure. Not all skinny people are guaranteed Dorian Grey-esque lifespans. But not all smokers are going to get lung cancer, and not all drunk drivers will steer themselves to a fiery lamppost-crash doom. Are you going to argue that the latter two activities are risk-free, as well? Because it’s only correlation after all, that smoke inhalation tends to coincide with cancer later in life. Maybe these people also work at glue plants or ate Ukrainian produce (true story actually, my Bulgarian friend had a relative die from eating cabbage that was still toxic from the Chernobyl fallout); consider the environmental factors!

My point is, it is a poor argument to say, “but not everyone is going to be affected by unhealthy behavior, so it must be okay!” The fact of the matter stands, more sick people suffering from diabetes and heart disease are fat than are of a healthy weight. And I think that is telling.

whoever said on here that Marilyn Monroe is plus sized is fucking dumb.

Uncool, flat out.

There are some regular stores that carry plus size clothes, and some that do not. I shop at both “regular” and plus size stores with no problem. I know what works for me and what will not fit. But what gives you the right to say that? A plus size woman has every right to complain because even some of the plus size stores are adhering to some pretty odd regulations for what they consider to be truly plus size. I do not agree. Although you’re making some kind of point ( a very, very slim one…*rimshot*), you sound just like every other “regular” sized person out there who is always blogging, twittering, etc. that we all should “stay in our lane”…but the interesting thing is that the people who bash us the most or want to tell us what to do (without having walked a mile in our shoes…and YES this big gal can walk a mile in real life…) are the ones swerving in the fat lane.

Talk to the stores who have opened that plus size section open. Talk to the clueless ones who say “we’ve got your size” but haven’t done enough accurate measuring to realize that just like “regular” people, we are sized differently too. I’ve got jeans all in one size that fit me in different ways. They come from Old Navy, Target, Lane Bryant, Torrid, and Cato. I’ve got clothes from Wet Seal that actually fit me perfectly but are from the plus size section.

Some women try to fool themselves by trying to wear certain sizes that don’t work for them. I don’t do that. And as I bust my behind trying to lose weight, I refuse to wear a potato sack over my body. While I don’t show everything off, I still want to feel good and look good for myself. People think their opinion is fact when it comes to larger women and the clothes we wear. It’s another reason why I’ve grown a deaf ear over the years over what is in and what is not. If it’s not your body, if these are not your clothes or your wallet, you’ve got nothing to worry about. As long as I’m not out wearing something that is obviously ridiculous for a person my size, you’ve (which includes the original poster and the peanut gallery who agree with her…) got no authority where I should shop.

Your ignorant.
Nuff said.

Boring.
This has all been said before.
Next?

everyone needs to shut the hell up

@soulfuric - You will find that I never said that everyone should run out and gain all the weight they can because the effects are inconsequential. Obesity it a problem, I’m not disputing that. But from what you have said you seem to believe that even being a few pounds overweight leads to a death sentence. Clearly you’re too bullheaded with you’re loathing of the overweight and plus-sized to even consider another person’s perspective, so this is just completely pointless. Enjoy your life up on your high horse.

@thegreenlinda@xanga - no I meant like people have to go up from what they would have worn 50 years ago.  like if a woman from 1950 time traveled without gaining a pound she’d have to go to a few sizes bigger.

let’s say the dimensions of a size 6 were 35-25-35 and now a size 6 is 30-20-30 (just for the sake of argument, obv that’s no where close) so the size got smaller.   if that’s the case then a woman who was 35-25-35 would wear a size 6 back then and maybe a size 10 now.

that’s a scary lookin’ picture

@CommunismIsForLovers@xanga - Skinny people have the choice to shop at Forever 21 or AnF. Maybe in the Juniors section at JC Pennys. At least people as skinny as me. And as for the size 0′s being ALL OVER THE PLACE…i guess it depends on what state you live in. When i was in Florida I actually DID find a lot of size 0′s and i was happy. But in California people are a lot smaller so the size 0′s are more rare. If your size isn’t there it doesn’t mean they don’t sell it. It usually means people your size just got there before you. I find the truth to be MOST stores carry a shit ton of medium sizes. 5 larges, 2 XL’s…3 S…and 1 XS. i am an XS kinda girl so whenever i go clothes shopping i pray that last XS is still there.

If there were different clothing stores for different body types it would make shopping A LOT easier. Who wouldn’t like walking into a store knowing EVERYTHING in there fit them? I know I would enjoy it.

This article kinda sucks. It is not fair to go tell people to loose weight.
I’m 80 pounds and 5’3″ and i have people telling me to GAIN weight all the time and i want to smack them for it! I’m this small because of my motabilism. I talked to my doctor about it and she said even if someone paid be a million dollars to gain weight, my body simply couldn’t do it. I know there are people out there who are big for the same type of reason I’m small and just CAN’T loose the weight.
Telling people to gain or loose weight shows ignorance. Please stop.

@jenessa1889@xanga - Okay, now I see what you mean but this is where there is a misunderstanding.  You are changing the measurements, but really it is the size labeling that changed.  Example:

A size 12 back then has a 30-25-33 (according to some vintage patterns).  But obviously a 30-25-33 bust now is like a size 2.  Obviously a size 12 woman from 1950s will not fit into a size 12 today….because it has expanded to a 38-33-40(not sure about the measurements but its somewhat close).  So the 1950s woman would actually have to gain weight in order to fit the modern size 12 if she really loved size12.  Your size 6 example….well it actually should have gotten bigger, not smaller in measurements as time progressed.  The only change that should happen was in the size.

So in one way, yes it does look like measurements have grown since size 12 has gone from 30″ to 40″ over the decades.  But the labeling size has gotten smaller and that is what many people use, unfortunately.  It would be much easier to base everything on actual measurement inches/cm instead of a number that changes.

I agree. I am tinyy 21 year old .. that sometimes doesn’t fit size 00 jeans (abercrombie + american eagle jeans are huge on me!). I have a hard time finding clothes, it sucks when you see a bunch of cute clothes, but all of them are too loose! I also noticed sizes are actually getting LARGER. so fat ppl should really consider the other end of the spectrum !

Eh. I think sizes have gotten bigger, at least in Australia. These days, I can’t shop at Big W, Kmart, Target, Best&Less, and many others unless I go to the children’s section. This never used to be a problem for me, but the measurements on a 2010 size 8 are those of an 80′s 12-14. If I want jeans that fit me, I have to go to expensive stores who carry smaller sizes.

@thegreenlinda@xanga - well now you’re really confusing me.   if a size 12 was once 30-20-30 and now it’s 40-30-40 as you’re saying then the sizes have gotten bigger, not smaller, which is not the case according to everything I’ve read.

   What I have read indicated that if a size 12 was a 40-30-40 now it’s more like a 35-25-35, so a woman who is 40-30-40 would have to wear a larger size than before.   If it went the other way and a size 12 is now 45-35-45 then that’s getting bigger not smaller, and a size 12 today is larger than a size 12 then, which again, contradicts what i’ve read.

@thegreenlinda@xanga - this is kind of getting pointless, let’s just agree to disagree

In some places, there aren’t any stores for “plus sized” people. I’m not going to sit here and call myself fat, but yes I do have some extra meat on my body. Where I live, they are no stores for “plus sized” people. And where there are stores like that (i.e. Mall of Georgia) you are going to be dishing out 50 dollars for a shirt. Sorry, but I don’t make that much money. It is extremly hard for me to find shirts that fit me. And at times its very depressing. I understand that it can be hard for skinny girls to find clothes but I’m sure its alot easier to find clothes for them than it is for us. So what are the girls supposed to do in my situation? Just go loose all the weight? Yeah, I’ve been trying that for the past 6 months. Guess how much I’ve lost? ONE POUND!

If you browse through the discount racks at Macy’s, it’s usually the “plus sizes” that hang on them, not the petite sizes despite common belief. For the slow ones out there, that means the plus sizes don’t get sold as fast as the smaller sizes. Does that mean the average American woman is skinny? No, the average American woman is the overweight chick complaining about how trendy clothing stores should carry plus sizes that distort the style and fashion of any outfit (no offense). But perhaps skinny girls are more inclined to shop for new clothes, hence gaining status as top consumers. Then why should these multi-million franchises care about a demographic that didn’t help them become the big companies that they are in the first place?

So basically, I’m trying to say that you’re right. If you’re plus-sized, go to plus-size stores. I’ve seen them. They exist. And don’t bother trying to be fashionable because you ain’t no Giselle.

OMG right on girl! I totally agree.

I refuse to go to plus size stores. 

Technically, I’m “plus” sized and I can fit “normal” people clothes that are at Target or Walmart, I just use the biggest size they have and it’s fine. I’ve tried going to plus sized clothing stores (which are HELLA far away from my town, I must say.) but there’s always HUGE boob pockets that I can never fit into.

And like one top or skirt is 30 dollars. Fuck that.
Also, please shut the fuck up about saying “I’m kind of fat” before I hunt you down and slap you. You’re not fat.

Just sayin’. 

@jenessa1889@xanga - sure.  but i am curious as to what you have been reading.

You know what I’ve been reading a lot about this issue lately…and I’m gonna say I completely agree with you. I have a hard time shopping for clothes at some stores because they don’t make sizes small enough or fit right for shorter people. But I’m not gonna through a fit over it or demand that they accomodate me and others that are my size too. I move on and find another store. Therefore, I feel that this “push” that is coming from the overweight community for every store to stock large sizes to accomodate to “the average women” is absolute crap. From my shopping experiece I’ve found that many of the stores have already upped their size range, so now we have numerous XXXL or at least an XL on the shelves and yet few XS or XXS or 00′s.

@thegreenlinda@xanga - nothing 100% reliable, but numerous sources on the internet said it, and the one I found that I do trust is snopes.com who said that a size 10 now is smaller than a size 10 used to be

1) wow…you think you’re “kinda fat” because you wear a medium or large….obviously you’re still in a high school mentality/still in middle or high school 2) Yes I agree with you, skinny people have problems as well.Clothes just depend on body shape which brings me to 3) plus size stores cater to a stereotypical plus size. I’m a 16/18 yes, but  I have to be VERY picky with what I buy from lane bryant. I can’t buy their jeans to save my life because they make me look plain sloppy since I don’t have those curves…and for that same reason I can’t buy many shirts because I have a 40 DDD bra size…but that doesn’t mean i have to wear a burlap bag over them. Therefore the clothes that look best on me ARE normal people clothing…but it’s very aggravating when you can rarely find clothing that fits you. 4) I’m rather offended by the ” have you even tried it” when it comes to losing weight. I’m 23 and have been struggling with weight my entire life. I exercise, attempt to eat healthy ( no… I’m not a fatty because I like soda and chips…to be honest i dislike a lot of junk food) and would much rather drink water over anything else. It took me to move to another country to start losing weight because in America everything is SO processed and preserved that it’s almost impossible to not take in an excessive amount of sugar and sodium without realizing it.  

@JaneLolita@xanga - I love you…haha just read that comment you posted. Pretty much what i was trying to say in a more blunt manner.

@LAy__x@xanga - I’m tiny as hell too, I have the same issue. It’s frustrating to have people tell you, why don’t you find pants in the kids’ section? Um… because my ass and hips don’t fit! -_-;

I have to wonder how the sizing has changed over the years. I’ve heard there is more “vanity sizing” nowadays.

clothes made specfically for plus-sized people actually aim to look good on their curvy bodies.

Yeah, a “medium” isn’t fat, poster… not even close.
And do some research before writing such a post, oh, and definitely never refer to women who aren’t plus sized as “normal woman.” Thanks for naming us fat chicks freaks too!

@heaventtonight@xanga - Every one has the right to be fashionable

@iamjacksrottingliver@xanga - well i have fat in different places and i’ve lost weight too; by trying.

@angelface_90@xanga - okay, now im ignorant and a bitch.

@traptinadream86@xanga - don’t get so personal; i wasn’t aiming this post directly at YOU. plus, im fat in different places. most of my fat is in my thighs and i have muslces mixed with fat. you don’t know me don’t assume.  

@JaneLolita@xanga - hunt me down and really look at me before you try slapping me, okay? 

@brokenheartmachine@xanga - your annoying. nuff said. 

@vixen_with_a_cause - Sure, everyone has the right to aspire to be fashionable. Whether they’re actually fashionable is an entirely different question, I admit. 

@heaventtonight@xanga - Fashion is a matter of color, texure, fabric, laces, beading, shoes, purses, ART . . . no matter what body type anyone has, they can pull it off. It’s about the mind and putting 2 and 2 together.

@vixen_with_a_cause - You’re thinking about fashion in terms of perspective. I’m talking about high fashion that’s dictated by the most respected designers of today. Do you honestly think anyone would walk into Prada and ask for size 16 (or however high they go) and demand more supply when they’re turned down for being plus-sized? If body type really had nothing to do with fashion, there would be no way to explain why plus-size models are never referred to as supermodels.

@vixen_with_a_cause - In support of your argument that everyone has a right to be fashionable, I just happened to see this article in my Twitter feed about this exact issue.

While @heaventonight said that the plus-sized should not “bother trying to be fashionable because you
ain’t no Giselle,” this article points out that many major designers have actually launched lines for bigger girls that want to be fashionable. Clearly major designers including Tahari, Michael Kors, etc. believe that the plus-sized do have the right to be fashionable. So despite all the arguments that these clothes just don’t look good on bigger girls, or that it is too expensive or it ruins the image of the company to produce clothing for larger sizes, designers are starting to realize that fashion is not only for the extremely thin.  

@heaventtonight@xanga - Yes, I HONESTLY do! Sheese, has Queen Latifa been attending award shows naked? Jennifer Hudson? Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson for a while there? Didn’t size 12/14 Whitney Thompson recently win America’s Next Top Model? And I do believe Crystal Renn has walked many a catwalk, both curvy and skinny.

Personally, I think it’s absurd that you think it’s absurd that any given size shouldn’t be able to walk into a designer boutique and not find what they’re looking for. That’s not a matter of weight girl, that’s a matter of cha-ching!

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - I love you in a totally straight way

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - @vixen_with_a_cause - Man, I don’t even know where to start. First of all, you shouldn’t be bringing up names like Queen Latifah or Jennifer Hudson because these are people for whom top designers would be willing to custom-design their dresses to make sure these CELEBRITIES can actually wear them. Do NOT bring up America’s Next Top Model. I don’t know any contestant of that idiotic show who actually became a supermodel through Tyra Banks, so you can screw your whole theory of Whitney Thompson.

You’re not getting my point at all. I’m not saying that plus-sized girls shouldn’t walk into any designer shop, period. I’m saying they’re less likely to find what they’re looking for, and yes, it would be quite absurd to protest that designers ought to cater to their excessive fat mass. Now, if you happen to be Oprah Winfrey and you have the power and money to demand that designer dresses fit you flawlessly, then my theory wouldn’t apply to you. You can’t compare celebrities to average overweight women. Hell naw. Because sure, to some degree, it is about how much dough is in your wallet.

And since when have top designers tried to “launch lines” for the obese? And since when have plus-size models walked on the runways of, oh, I don’t know, Victoria’s Secret, Gucci, Prada, or Dior, among other highly attended runways? Seriously, I suggest you enlighten me on this. Karl Lagerfeld famously argued that models should be skinny in order to be fashionable. And if you don’t know who Karl Lagerfeld is, then you shouldn’t be pretending to know anything about this topic in the first place. 

@heaventtonight@xanga - Since now apparently. I know exactly who Lagerfeld is. But Kors and Tahari are also big names in the fashion world, and if they think that plus-sized women can wear designer fashion, then they are the ones that are intelligent enough to recognize that there is a market out there for plus-size women. Fashion is trend-setting. Sure Dior and Prada may not have plus-size lines, but you don’t think for a second that if other designers create a line that is extremely successful, others wouldn’t follow suit?

You said it yourself, it is to some degree about how much money is in your wallet. You don’t think designers would want to cash in on it if it did prove to be profitable? I’m not missing your point at all. And if designers are already deciding to create lines for these individuals, you’re just going to have to get used to seeing overweight individuals dressed in designer clothes.

@vixen_with_a_cause - Haha, me too!

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - Kors and Tahari are certainly bigger names than your average department store brands, but they don’t make as big an impact as names like Louis Vuitton, for instance. If these quality designers really cared that much about the plus-size market, they would’ve done something about it a long time ago. This plus-size phenomenon didn’t happen yesterday. If they wanted to “follow suit” and create plus-size lines of their own, they would’ve done so a LONG time ago.

Just because two relatively respected designers decided to create a line exclusive to plus sizes  (which I personally have never even heard about– whatever happened to promotions?) doesn’t mean EVERYBODY’S jumping in the same boat and suddenly it’s become a trend. I have tons of respect for Kors; don’t get me wrong. But his line is second-rate at best. Same thing applies to Tahari. These are not your worshiped designers of the 21st-century. They’re your semi-respected, somewhat affordable designer counterparts.

Despite what you desperately seem to believe, there has never been an overweight supermodel in the history of modeling and fashion. I don’t have to get used to seeing anything, because such a thing doesn’t exist. Get your facts straight before making a half-assed argument. And don’t try to dictate what the fashion realm is about because you ain’t no Karl Lagerfeld.

@heaventtonight@xanga - There were actually 7 designers if you bothered to read the article I was referring to. I just picked 2 as an example.

Also, I never mentioned anything about supermodels whatsoever, so please stop putting words in my mouth. When I said you should get used to seeing larger women in designer clothing, I was referring to the consumers that can purchase any of the products from these 7 designer lines which are creating lines for larger women.

In the future, I suggest you read things properly before you start berating me, and get YOUR facts straight. Karl Lagerfeld isn’t the god of fashion, and you sure as hell ain’t honey. So until you’re a famous fashion designer with your own fashion line making these decisions, you can shut the fuck up.    

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - i agree!

@heaventtonight@xanga - Oh yea. And apparently, Lagerfeld your fashion god, did a plus-size photo shoot for V Magazine earlier this year. If you’re idol has seemingly decided he wants to do a plus-size photo shoot, maybe there’s hope for you one day to stop being so sizeist . 

@heaventtonight@xanga - I don’t want to start any shit with you or anything, but it is pretty damned bitchy to say “don’t try being fashionable because you aren’t stick-thin.”  So basically, overweight girls should just give up and wear ugly shit?  That is idiotic, insensitive, and just plain ridiculous.  Fashion is about creativity and self-expression.  HIGH fashion is about skinny models and (in my perception) stuck-up, elitist, unaffordable boutiques.  But just fashion in general?  That is for whomever has the style sense to work with what they’ve got.

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - Don’t you fucking call me honey, bitch, because apparently you didn’t have anything better to say than “shut the fuck up” in your last comment.

I don’t care to read anything you were referring to. And I’m glad I didn’t, because 7 isn’t a significant number for making a point quite as big as you were making. I don’t ever have to get used to seeing large women in designer clothing because as of today I haven’t seen any non-celebrity obese woman wearing such things in real life. I never said Karl Lagerfeld is the god of fashion. YOU can shut the fuck up before putting words in my mouth, you fucking hypocrite. I’m assuming you’re pissed that I’m making my point way better than you are and decided to resort to blatant insults. I’m gonna have to start repeating things now, so I’ll be the bigger person in this correspondence and back out before you go all ape shit on me.

@needmoreink@xanga - I’m not talking about extremes. I’m not saying overweight girls should go around wearing “ugly shit” because they’d never be fashionable. You’re twisting my comment here. I said I think people who wear plus-sizes should face it like it is and admit that it’s just ridiculous trying to be fashionable as a plus-sized person, i.e., why should it be acceptable for plus-sized people to complain that certain trendy stores don’t carry their sizes? What gives them the right to ask for something these companies obviously aren’t interested in putting into action?

@heaventtonight@xanga - The only reason I lost it is because you felt the need to be continuously rude. You have been nothing but disrespectful to a number of people, and I have had enough of it. Your elitist attitude towards fashion is completely ridiculous, and you may not want to read anything I was referring to, but it is fact as opposed your point which is mainly based on your own ill-informed personal loathing of larger individuals. I almost thought about apologizing, but then I re-read your post and felt that you didn’t deserve it. How dare you talk down to me just because you think anyone that isn’t thin doesn’t have the right to be fashionable. I put words in your mouth and utilized your grammatically incorrect “ain’t no” you seem so fond of to give you a taste of your own medicine. Nice to see the honey put you over the edge. How ironic you mentioned that you are the “bigger person.” Maybe you’ll finally take into consideration the feelings of the plus-sized.     

@heaventtonight@xanga - Well if that’s his philosophy I could care less about knowing who he is. People like that aren’t worth it. Why would YOU care about someone like that? Don’t you think your life would be a little easier if you could just live it instead of monitoring every pound? Or do you not have to do that? Because in that case, I use your argument: “And if you don’t know who Karl Lagerfeld is, then you shouldn’t be pretending to know anything about this topic in the first place. ” Well, if you’ve never had to struggle with your weight, YOU shouldn’t be pretending to know anything about the topic in the first place.

I COMPLETELY understand what you’re saying, doll. “Fat” people shouldn’t have the same rights as skinny people was the point there. If that’s not what your trying to say, then it is my suggestion that you chose your words differently, because that’s how you’re appearing to people. And, um, sorry but . . . when people already feel bad about themselves, dressing fashionably is the best thing they can do to feel good about themselves and to look presentable in the world. You think you’d just be glad they’re making an effort, but no. Let’s just banish every article of clothing in the world that’s bigger than a size 4 so every one with fat on their body will have to walk around naked. Bet your eyes would LOVE that, unless of course you somehow think you’re too good to look at it. You don’t get to diss my valid arguments simply because you disagree with them. http://miaamber.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/crystal-renn-runway.jpg There ya go. Unless you’re blind, which I presume you are not since you have the ability to read and type, there is no arguing that.

Furthermore, it would be greatly appreciated if you didn’t disrespect my friends and I for not being a size 2 or knowing EVERY name in fashion. I am well aware of the entire inventory of Neiman Marcus, Bergdorfs, and Bendels. I can recognize Louboutins from a mile a way, even before I see the trademark red sole (and Valentino, Manolo Blahnik, Jimmy Choo, Gucci . . .) People are people, fat, skinny, and every thing in between, and they ALL deserve the same rights. And being fat is NO WHERE near as ugly as being a cruel person. That, is the most unattractive thing in the world, and no diet, plastic surgery, or amount of make-up can make it any better.

@heaventtonight@xanga - Well I guess I think of fashionable as meaning having one’s own distinct sense of style or fashion sense and not necessarily fashionable as in trendy.  As consumers they have every right to give their input, but businesses also have the right to say no, which they often do, thus all these posts and cyber-catfights about it.

I’m overweight now and working on losing weight, but even when I am no longer considered a plus-size person, I still won’t be buying anything “trendy” for a lot of reasons.  I don’t complain that Forever 21 or wherever doesn’t carry my size because I wouldn’t shop there at any size.  I just don’t like the elitist holier-than-thou attitude that a lot of the fashion community has toward overweight people and anyone else who doesn’t kiss their collective, figurative ass.

@vixen_with_a_cause - I agree with everything you said here.  As far as Karl Lagerfeld goes…when I heard about a lot of the things he said and his philosophy, I lost a lot of respect for him.  I lose no respect for him as a designer, but as a person I can honestly say he’s not someone I’d ever want to associate with if he’s like that.  If there is one thing I cannot stand, it’s a snotty attitude.  And a lot of big-name designers, and people in the fashion world, have that.  I refuse to kiss someone’s ass just because they’re famous or rich or skinny, or design things for people that are famous and rich and skinny.  Guess what…they all take shits in the john just like everybody else and it does everyone a little good to remember that now and then.

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - I was watching a movie the other day, and this advertising executive was talking about how she’d never promote that ‘diamonds are for everyone’ because she believed that women are drawn to exquisite jewelry like diamonds for the very reason that they represent status. Same idea with fashion. Yes, my attitude was a bit elitist, but that’s exactly what I consider fashion to be about. People aspire to be fashionable because not everyone is fashionable. I just took it a step further and said that not everyone should even think about being fashionable, lol. I feel like some people are trying to take this elitist quality called fashion and turn it into a boring, everyday ritual that it shouldn’t be. That’s where my fuse went off.

@heaventtonight@xanga - I can see your perspective, I really do. But many of these high fashion designers you are naming are considered elite because of their price, meaning they are not accessible to everyone. As you said, money talks, and as long as you have money, size is irrelevant and you can get whatever you want. With a division like this already separating what you’re considering fashion (I say that because some people consider fashion to be their own individual expression, but what fashion isis a completely different matter) from the average person, I do not see the need to create another division.

From my perspective, if an individual can afford Dior, Prada, Louis Vuitton, etc. and can afford to purchase these fashions, why should they be denied because of their weight? The money of a plus-sized individual and of a thin individual is exactly the same. If something that is already unattainable to all those that cannot afford it, by further discriminating against those who you believe shouldn’t participate, what will we end up with? If we say fat people can’t wear it, a certain race can’t wear it, a certain height can’t wear it, what are we left with in the end? I think fashion completely loses it’s mystique if you end up with only a handful of people who can actually even dream of participating in it. 

I’m overweight…so clearly I shouldn’t go shopping at Hot Topic. But Torrid? Those clothes don’t fit me either. They are baggy where they shouldn’t be baggy and tight where they shouldn’t be tight.
And Lane Bryant? First of all I’m not in my 30s and 40s and shouldn’t be made to dress like I am just because I’m fat. But now they have those new jeans where one color tag is supposed to eliminate the gap in the bag (which it only creates one on me) and another is supposed to prevent saggy crotch (or whatever) and whatever they’re supposed to eliminate on most people, they create on me. It’s frustrating! And yes, I AM trying to lose weight.

And a medium or large is not fat, sister.

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - Likewise, I can see your point. I guess it boils down to the fact that if not ‘fashion,’ then at least the fashion world is dictated by a small group of people who claim elitism. Obviously I don’t have anything against that, but I can see why some people would.

@heaventtonight@xanga - And with that, we can simply agree that while we can see one another’s perspective, we do not agree with it and call a truce ok? lol.

@needmoreink@xanga - Damn straight! I always love your comments by the way

@Tyrading_Tigger@xanga - i agree!!

@soulfuric - Actualy Marilyn Monroe, were she alive today, would be a model, and plus size models are anywhere between a size 6 and 24 globally, so clearly SOME people think a size 6 and above is plus sized today, (which is ridiculous). Do YOUR research before being cruel/making an ass of yourself. 

@kittenwalks Yes, you keep feeling the need to tell us all that you “try”… again. We all heard you loud and clear… unfortunately

@Daydream_Believer_01@xanga - Lol. Sure, let’s call a truce.

@Tyrading_Tigger@xanga - I was operating under the assumption that we were speaking in terms of plus size as it relates to the average consumer, not to the runway, which has its own set of ideals and standards. If you want to expand the discussion beyond the realms of what I was actually talking about, by all means call me an ass retroactively.

@paige089@xanga - swimming is great for you if you have any joint/bone problems like I do. It’s working out while you’re floating! If the concern is weight loss…PS: You actually lose more weight by adjusting your diet. Diet actually contributes more to weight loss then even extreme workouts ( I know because I used to be there)

not to be mean or anything but if someone is unhappy with their bodies and not being able to fit in the average gals clothes then idk….maybe get on a stair master and start eating healthy??? Just a thought for the clueless women out there. Now I understand that there are some women who just can’t lose the weight due to genetic factors. However…THAT IS NOT THE CASE of most plus-sized women. As someone from Michigan where we have a large population of overweight people I have very many girlfriends who are down right obese. And I have to say I get really annoyed when I hear them bitch about their weight and how “they can’t help it” and it’s “genetic” because last I checked what was in their cupboards their food selection screamed something entirely different…along with their level of activities, drinking habits and leisurely past times (sitting on their butts stuffing their faces while watching TV???)

And I hate even more saying that I am “SOOOO LUCKY” to be skinny and not have to worry about my weight. But I eat healthy. I make a point to make careful selections when I go grocery shopping, I never eat to the point of feeling full or stuffed…I only eat when my body tell me to and stop as soon as I feel sated…and I EXERCISE. What a thought. I’m skinny because of MY PERSONAL LIFE CHOICES. I used to be big and I can say from experience on this topic I think

 Don’t like the size? loose the weight. DUH This “Genetic” excuse is as misappropriated as the OVER diagnoses of children with ADD/ADHD.

Give me one thing about this post that is of any use to anyone.

I fit into lots of clothes but don’t have that much money to buy them all online window shopping for now

anyway, I think even plainly designed plus sized clothing that aren’t always as stylish as non-plus sized clothes can still turn into something that looks fashionable if the right fashion accessories/shoes are matched with the clothes. a trendy new hair style with a plain outfit or fashion statement pair of shoes can make a drastic difference in the overall style.

It isn’t as easy for small/short people either >.< It is always the 0 and the xs that run out first!!!

and don’t fit into jeans either .. even if the jeans are 0S

@soulfuric - aaaaaamenn

People at both ends of the spectrum have trouble finding clothes that fit.  I if sizes were standardized it would make things easier.  In one brand of jeans I’m a size 0, in another brand I’ll give up after I get to size 7 or 9 when they still are not making it over my hips.  I can’t go out and buy a cheap pair of jeans at Walmart because they just don’t make pants in my size.  Their either too tight in the legs and too much room in the hips or just too big all over. One time I was in a super cheap store in the mall tried on the smallest size in the store and the pants still fell right off me.
I’ve also seen some super cute clothes in the plus size section that yes, would have been nice to be able to fit into, or at least find it in a smaller size.  Though I really don’t feel that I should complain.  There are plenty of times when some great looking clothes are too big, too small, too long.  It really makes shopping a pain, and it makes me stick to familiar brands.  Nothing more disappointing than finding that even though one brand thinks you are zero another would probably have you in double digits.

Thank you. Seriously, people need to change their tampons and get over this issue. Sizes are getting larger and larger these days and everyone automatically assumes that a Size 10 is the exact same as it was 30 years ago. Actually in the 80′s, you’d be wearing about a Size 14. So get over yourselves and either lose some weight or just shop at Torrid or Lane Bryant or wherever. I’m only pissed about this whole thing because the obesity epidemic is literally starting to scare me. Where the hell are is humanity headed if our number one health crisis is caused by something that we can easily prevent?

I can’t believe I’m recing a lovelyish post.
Thank you, so much.
@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - logical reasoning? from you? I’m surprised!

Yes I have tried and some people have medical problems where they have searious issues loseing weight.so we should have have to wear ugly clothing just because we are over weight.

I think that stores should have the plus sizes available, however, scince they are not the typical target, I think it would be profitable for companies to keep the sizes online. I mean, they do that for super skinny people, why should it be any different for plus sized? I dont think physical stores should be forced to acccomodate to something that is specialized. I saw a post that refered to Urban Outfitters carrying plus sized clothing…however, I have noticed that store targets slender figures, not just skinny, but less curvy women. At some points, big boobs would look akward in a shirt that was cut for a women with a more slender structure. Sure, they could make that cut in a bigger size, but it still wouldnt be fitted to the way it was intedned to be worn. Lord knows, Ive been there… I am plus sized. And as cute as clothes from certain stores are, sometimes the cuts of the clothing just arent made for my body type even if they do fit. Thats why I do appreciate that there are stores that cater to specific sizes, they are trying to complement you – not just sell to you.

I’m so tired of hearing the ”average woman are overweight’ argument… isn’t that saying something? Yes, we are getting FATTER and fatter. Let’s make the world MORE accomodating to FAT people.

props to this blog. i have been waiting for one like this. People are tall, dwarfs, and have awkward body types. Everyone claims “I’m so skinny” but it’s because of the illusion I create… my hips are really almost 3 sizes bigger than my chest. I can’t get every clothing item I want… UGH.. makes me so mad… glad you pointed out the obvious… some people need it – yet still are commenting against it.

@LlothoftheDrow@xanga - As someone who says they used to be there, I’m surprised you’re so insensitive about it.  Yeah, it’s annoying, but making rude comments doesn’t help jack shit.  Making constructive comments instead of cutting people down like SO MANY PEOPLE are doing on here would, oh, I don’t know, maybe inspire someone to make a change instead of perpetuating this ridiculous cycle of hate and insults.

i so agree!!

lets set one thing straight- if fat was the majority of the population they wouldn’t have regular sized stores. fat is not normal. and fat people shouldn’t wear thinner peoples clothes. my friend is a good 50 pounds overweight and she shops for her body type at stores that carry sizes for her and she never complains about it. 
trust me i knew what it was like to be overweight. i’m 5’9 and i use to weight 183 pounds. thats fat.
now im a size 8 and going down.

so the only reason you people aren’t losing weight is because you’re not trying hard enough. you’re fat because you let yourself be fat. 

This is a sidenote, but after looking around, it’s harder to find conservative clothes for smaller sizes. I needed to find ankle length skirts for my trip to Egypt, and most were plus size. I got lucky with Old Navy, thankfully.

I agree.

Granted, I think it’s kind of a dumb move on the stores’ part not to sell bigger clothing, since they are undoubtedly losing revenue from that, but eh. It’s their prerogative to sell what they want to sell.

My only problem with this is that in the town I live in there aren’t any plus-size outfitters that sell clothes appropriate for younger people, but rather for older ladies.  I don’t think it’s a bad idea for retailers to open up their merchandise lines to include plus sizes, because afterall, everyone wants to wear cute clothes.  My difficulty in finding clothes that fit me is that I don’t quite fit into the smallest plus-size but I barely fit in XL’s in regular stores.  It’s frustrating, but I manage.  Being crafty has worked to my advantage.

@jenessa1889@xanga -  marilyn monroe wore a size 12 which would now be a size 6 by todays standards, she was not plus size she had curves. 

ok so as for stores not having clothes to accomidate plus size women,  They dont, you have to go to bigger malls to find even one store with clothes for bigger girls, the mall that is 15 min away from my home town has 1 store that is 1/4 plus size, and that is just the clothes, not bra’s and underwear.  if I were to drive an hour I would come to a mall with lane bryant, which occationally you can find some cute clothes but I think they are more older woman styles,  now if i drive two hours I can find a mall with a torrid, but its a “dark” torrid, if I drive an hour from there i can find a mall with another torrid that has more “girly” clothes, plus if you have shopped at plus size stores you realize they are not cheap by any means, and even more so stores like old navy are putting a lot of their plus size clothes online, the msg this is giving plus size shoppers is stay home we dont want to see the chubby america shopping in malls….  which is pretty pathetic since walking is good for you… and thats what you do in the mall. 

I can take this even farther, where the hell do you get off asking if any woman has tried to lose weight, you dont know my story or any other woman’s story for that matter, to not only judge but look like a total skinny bitch saying this crap, I for one was able to shop at “NORMAL”?  store’s then some fucking bastard raped me, i got depressed and gained 120 lbs and yes I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LOSE IT!!!!!   so please do me a favor and before you post ignorant shit that makes you sound stupid, shallow, and pathetic, do your research, the national average size is 12/14 closer to a 14, many stores only cater to a size 12 and under, beyond that hunny, “average” stores out number plus size stores 50/1 in most malls so when woman bitch about not being able to find clothes thats why, because if we are lucky, our mall will have something that fits our ass, hips, breast, ect.  then we have to worry about something looking good on that ass, hips, or breast… and in that 1 store in the mall which may or may not carry the style of clothes I like or someone else likes make it slightly difficult

You or any smaller girl may not be able to wear anything in the store, or that store may not fit your style or budget but you can always walk next door and try again,  I have to drive to a different mall in a different town and hope for a better selection….

@soulfuric - Thats funny, since as a teen I measured 36-28-36, and I wore and American size 4, how the hell could a woman who is has a waist that is 6 INCHES smaller wear an American 8?

@weightjourney2005@xanga - what I have read says the opposite, that sizes have gotten smaller so someone who’s weight hasn’t changed needs to wear a bigger size

@RainDropPixie@xanga - Sizing is pretty wonky these days. 32-24-34 gets me a size 3 at Guess, a size 0 at Old Navy, a size 2 at Victoria’s Secret, and a size 6 at H&M (they may use UK sizing though, not certain with those tricky Swedes).

Ms. Monroe got her stuff tailored to fit her goddess proportions, though, so it’s hard to peg her to any standard size. But yeah, she was by no means “plus-sized” in the traditional sense.

They don’t make specialized skinny stores.

@soulfuric - Yeah I think I had some 1s a few 2/3s here and there, even a few 6s I can’t remember what brand, because it seems so long ago, but they made there close obscenely small and way off on sizing.

I do hear she would have been anywhere from a size 6 to a size 14 in her bigger days, and technically in the fashion industry 8 is “plus size” when it comes to modeling.

It probably sounds cliche but I think Marilyn Monroe was a healthy sized/shaped woman. Not necessarily because she was “curvy” but because hourglass is scientifically the healthiest figure. Also, a pain in the ass to dress IMO lol.

@RainDropPixie@xanga - To be sure, with a waist of 22 inches, it’s very hard to even pretend that her weight was a health issue. She was genuinely a curvy woman, without all the added BS “curvy” has gained as a euphemism for “fat” these days. But being plus-sized in the modeling industry is very different from being plus-sized as it applies to the average consumer — the “real world” — which is the realm I am assuming this post is discussing.

Mang I would kill to be an hourglass. Everything looks better on a tiny waist, though getting clothes tightened in the right places takes a firm grasp of sewing or a steady income for the tailor.

@soulfuric - One child and a thyroid problem later, I’m still an hourglass…just a fat one. Even being overweight though, its still a flattering shape thank god. Well, I actually did a decent job (I was 10lbs shy of my pre baby weight, but physically smaller) of losing the baby weight…then my thyroid when off the deep end into oblivion.

I loved the belt trend a few years back, sadly I was pregnant for most of it, but it was perfect for hourglasses and it was tailoring free!

Bigger girls can totally rock corsets! I wish I could pull off corsets the way they can.

most of those stores run insanely small sizes. their large is a medium, just like there small is a extra small. anyone above a B have to squeeze its horrible!

Walmart, Walmart, Walmart!

@needmoreink@xanga - I’m a fan of tough love. Talking straight isn’t being insulting by no means. If being real is insulting than I am guilty as charged and don’t care. I got where I am now by taking a harsh look at reality. I guess it depends on who you are but tough love could do a lot of people good. and people need to learn not to be so damn overly sensitive.

I completely agree with everything said.

Trendy stores such as Hollister, Abercrombie, Forever21, etc. are meant for small people. Larger people can’t pull off certain shaped designs as well as the smaller people just due to the shapes of their bodies. They can’t necessarilyaccommodate to your needs because thats not the way the particular fashion garment is supposed to look. You can find just as cute things in different styles in plus sized stores, such as Torrid, that smaller people don’t have available to them. Someone in the comments said Torrid is too expensive – well find a different store then. Not all skinny people can afford an entire wardrobe of Abercrombie and places like that either. You just have to find a store that works for your size, style and what you can afford.

I basically feel like stores offer sizes which are considered a healthy average. From reading comments, I feel like a bunch of you are saying you’d prefer stores to carry more of your sizes – fair enough, but there are stores elsewhere that will offer that. So, because a large amount of America’s population is getting physically larger, you guys think we should transform the stores to accommodate YOUR needs because you took that particular route? We don’t always get what we want. I think it IS fair that not all stores have the sizes that you’re looking for, just because there are other stores that specialize in your type. If you don’t like the clothing they offer, it just comes off as picky in my opinion. If you’re so concerned with a certain fashion that the smaller people are wearing, then I suggest you put in the effort to work your butt off and reach a smaller size if you want it THAT bad. Don’t be so picky !

And don’t bother replying to me cause I honestly couldn’t give less of a damn if you’re going to try and verbally harass me for being “rude,” cause that’s what I am and I know it. I can assure you that your rebuttal won’t change my opinion on the matter, nor will I probably even come back to read it. Haha.

i’m fat and dont bitch about not finding clothes 99% of the time…but it does suck when you need something, say for work or a wedding, etc, and there is only 3 stores in the ENTIRE town that specialize in plus size clothing.  I mean, if they dont have something right for the occasions there, then you have to look online.  I just hate needing something for a special occassion and not being able to find it due to there being no where to look!

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - thank you. I am average and I have a hell of a time finding clothes in stores that fit. I can’t even fit into Forever21 clothes they don’t look good on me, i’m curvy and big hipped.

now if only the cute clothes could fit my wallet! lol j/k

i think the hard thing is that people, such as my mom, feel uncomfortable with their plus size and it continues to damage their self image by feeling like they can’t fit into clothes. I agree that the problem isn’t the clothes, it’s where you shop. I finally convinced my mom to go into some plus sized stores and her self esteem has sky rocketed since finding clothes that are fashionable and flattering.

@supcheyenne@xanga - Thanks for your comment, it covered everything haha

Please don’t call them “normal people clothes”. That sounds awful. Who are you to judge what is normal?

@FallenStar82387@xanga - I feel your pain. =(

I wouldn’t exactly consider myself a plus size. I’m a size fifteen juniors jeans and an extra large top. The thing is most stores only carry to a large or a size thirteen jeans. Not enough reason to go hunting down plus sized shops if you ask me, but enough to get easily irritated over. On top of that, I know very well I can’t fit my DDs into most tops, but that still doesn’t keep me from wishing that I could. Not much I could do about them last time I checked.

I live in Mississippi which is the fastest state in a America; yet the only plus sized store we have in any of our local malls is Lane Bryant. Not exactly something a seventeen-year-old wants to be wearing. In fact, my sister is almost thirty and doesn’t want to wear that crap. I’ve never been in the store you mentioned, but even the plus sized section in J.C. Penny don’t usually carry “trendy” clothes. About the only thing you can pick up in that section is a thirty dollar shirt that’s nothing more than a shapeless, colored t-shirt, You should really think about the fact that not everyone is offered the choice to shop in plus sized stores or the fact that most plus sized clothes make you look like you’re wearing a tent.

I’m glad I fit into an extra small. =D

@PaigePathetic@xanga - No rebuttle here, high-five, though?

tbh if a fat person complains about not being able to get clothes, lose some weight.
simple.

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - Just because the average woman in America is, in fact, overweight doesn’t mean that the entire clothing industry should adjust itself to make that acceptable. 

@FIREExATxWILL@xanga - They are. And, America’s sizes are also more… coddling, let’s say… than European sizes. Or so I’ve found. I sell shirts to a lot of European tourists, and when I hold up a size small, they look at me like I’ve got six heads and purchase a kids medium because our idea of small is a tent. 

Lol!!!!  This is quite literally the dumbest post ever.  I never should of clicked on it, you wasted about a minute of my life, thanks.  I must say, the minute it took me to write the comment, was completely worth it. 
It’s completely understandable to like things not in your size, I wish some plus size clothes were in my size….torrid makes some awesome stuff, not as cheap as forever21 though.   
For the people that say the styles don’t fit larger bodies, thats complete bull, you can find the same cuts in plus sizes as you do in smaller sizes.  
Also, since the kittenwalks loves telling people what to do, I have have one for you……Go Get Hit By A Car.  :)
Have a nice day.  

You have a plus size store?!!? Lucky….

@LastFlightxToLondon@xanga - Hellz yeah girlee =)

just so you know, specialty stores for bigger sizes cost more because there aren’t many of them. and they don’t always have the styles that people want. I found this very insensitive and lacked any real research

Completely agree!

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - But that’s not even the case. o_O

i cant shop at “regular” stores and find my size. actually i hear people bitch about not being able to find larger sizes all the time, but what i can tell stores carry xxl’s but they sure as hell dont carry xs as much. : ( like charolatte ruse!! wtf SUCKS cause i LOVE their clothes, but cant fit any of them. and Old Navy!! they vanity size like SHIT!! i cant fit any of their pants but i certainly didnt shrink 3 sizes back to when i was 13, NO they make their shit bigger and keep it the same number. UGH.  or at work. XXL but no small. wtf not everyone is “plus sized” ya know? and it’s not like we have minus sized people stores.  *shrug* but of course its a double standard cause im twiggy not fat. but w.e.

My entire wardrobe has always consisted of plain jeans and tank tops, because my boobs aren’t big enough to fill out cute shirts enough to look good, no matter how much I weigh.  Just saying.

You knew you would get a lot of controversial comments by posting this. 

I feel businesses are doing what is best for themselves. They are weighing their costs and benefits, as they always do. If their lack of plus size clothing begins to hurt their profits enough to where it outweighs the cost of manufacturing plus size clothing, then I’m sure they’ll begin making plus size clothing. The costs of adding new sizes to every clothing item for a store is high. They’re variable costs change as they hire more labor, need more materials, take up more time, etc. Maybe one day it’ll all hurt the companies enough for them to pump out new sizes, but by the looks of statistics today, it’s not worth it to the company. This is just business and simple economics.

… thanks for your concern for fat girls everywhere, but your problems as a skinny girl fitting in to cheap ass clothing at forever 21 isnt nearly as big of a problem as a plus sized girl (at size 12 of 14) not being able to find a pair of pants that dont look ridiculous for less than a shitton of money. 
your post comes off as shitty and mean instead of caring and full of concern like you so clearly want. 

@kittenwalks - No need to REALLY look at you because I already know that you’re not even close to fat from you saying your sizes at Forever21, a place where they make their sizes super small so when you go in there and get a large, you feel like shit.  And your reply to my comment just confirms to me that you’re just another girl fucked up in the head due to society being obsessed with a size XS/0. But whatever. I’m not going to try to “change” you because I don’t know you and I don’t really give a shit. I just hope you realize that you’re mindset on what’s “fat” and what’s not is completely ridiculous. 

Bye-bye. 

@soulfuric - Yeah, because plus-sized means ‘fat and overweight’.  It doesn’t mean that I have 36DDD tits that I need to cover up and wider hips from childbirth!!!  I normally have very little fat on my body, unless I’m pregnant as I am right now.  You can be strong and muscular with broad shoulders and wide hips (like me) and don’t fit into ‘normal people’ clothes.  If it weren’t for a few body features that I can’t change, such as my shoulder and hip width, I would fit into ‘normal people’ clothes.  It doesn’t matter how much weight I loose, I could be 100lbs (on my 5’6″ frame) and still have broad shoulders and hips because it’s bone structure and you can’t change that.  Still wouldn’t fit into ‘normal people’ clothes!!!  Just because I have bigger hips, shoulders and tits than you doesn’t mean I’m a cow.  Good way to encourage women all across the body type spectrum to be healthier…by calling women cows!  Because every woman that doesn’t look like you is obviously a cow.

EVERYONE, LET’S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT….PLUS-SIZED DOES NOT MEAN FAT OR OVERWEIGHT!!!

@ShimmerBodyCream@xanga - @CommunismIsForLovers@xanga - I whole-heartedly agree.  Thank you!!!  I love you!!!  ;D

@Lydia_Lynne@xanga - You tell ‘em girl.

@jenessa1889@xanga - MM was a 24-26 inch waist… That’s not plus size In Vintage she was a size 12… That is like a size woman’s 4 now at days…

@abDer@xanga - size 12 is not plus size… it starts at14 in jrs. or at least it’s supposed too. Depends on the store.

You know what is weird… I am a shortie with a very large bottom and hips. 41in my wast is 35in(just had a baby) and my shoulders are 40 in… my bust is at 41 in and thighs are like 24 in around. Where are the clothes for the full figured woman?

Plus sized was meant for full figured women… Full figured does not mean overweight or unhealthy.

As for the tone of your message… You came off very insensitive. Yes some women who shop plus size are overweight. Sure maybe their goal should be to get at a healthy weight for their body type… But the world isn’t based off one body type…

Thin tall woman are beautiful, short petite dainty women are beautiful, tall thick amazon woman are beautiful, short full figured women are beautiful. All these body types are beautiful, the only thing that matter’s is that we are all healthy.

You can be “skinny” and be unhealthy you can also be “fat” and be unhealthy… Both of these words are a tad bit harsh and mean… if you really care about the way things are presented to the women of the world… Try using better words, Try being more sensitive to the people who aren’t like you. Stop only thinking of you.

@MommyMarty22 – my waist is about 26 inches and no way in hell are my boobs or hips fitting in a 4. I suspect the same would be true for Marilyn in today’s sizes. I usually have to buy a 10 or 12, sometimes a 14 or 16, and then wear a belt to gather the extra material in the waist (I can’t afford a tailor)

Well when I was a freshy I was a 24waist, and was in a size four pant. I’m not talking dress sizes.

Do you think we’re not trying? I personally am in very good shape and have a thin waist, arms and legs, but I have naturally large breasts and hips. I can’t fit into anything in normal stores because I’m too curvy.  I’ve tried shopping at plus size stores, but everything is too big and looks horrible on me (giant arm holes, tacky patterns, and no definition at the waist.)  I would wear clothes that fit my body IF I could find them. The only solution I’ve come up with is buying clothes 2 sizes too large and having them completely altered to fit me (which is very expensive.)  I had to try on about 500 wedding dresses and spend $600 on alterations to look good on my wedding day.  Trust me, I would absolutely love to buy something off the rack that fit me, even once.