Lovelyish

Some are a bit lavish and extravagant – but at the same time, very beautiful. Depending on how elaborate it is, I would consider wearing one.

so beautiful!!

They’re very pretty, I wouldn’t wear them for my own beliefs. 

the over all silhouette and form are quite exquisite indeed. however, some DO tip the over-the-top scale a little. 

cool.  very cultural.

nice I’d wear them anyday 

I like some of those!

2nd to last pic is almost exactly like the Vietnamese Ao Dai and I wear those.

Those are gorgeous! I love it. The only problem I would have is the hair things, I cannot stand having things on my head. But as long as it wasn’t 90 degrees outside, I would definitely wear one.

They are pretty.  I think it’d depend on how comfortable and practical they were –if they were too hot or restricted movement too much, I wouldn’t want to wear them.  

The first one is really pretty. I also really like the colors. I think I’d wear that one. But it’d need to be on a cold day. It looks too hot for a warm day. 

Some of them are really beautiful, though I would probably modify them a bit for everyday wear.

I only like the first one. All the other outfits/models are so ugly!

damn they must get hot with all that fabric completely covering their bodies. and why would you wanna completely cover your body anyway. i wouldnt wear stuff like this. 

WHAT???

So no burqa is a fashion trend? are you so….. naive?
I can’t believe this. this is not fashion . it’s about women as creature of lust.

this is scary. the colors are beautiful, the clothes too but the message it gives is UGLY.

@Mercredi - the message is that people that are of this faith and subscribe to these beliefs can wear things that are fashionable and beautiful as well. 

i like the green one cuz of the different type of layering i’d need to be like wandering somewhere in a forest in order to feel appropriate though. . . they give me like a maid merrium (sp?) sort of vibe.

nah i wouldn’t wear them unless i love my blue jeans. lol

@striemmy@xanga -  oh thank yoooooooou .

i know but anyway. Maybe it’s because my own family is from algeria (you know a coutry with muslim people) that I can tell you that in 99% of the case it’s NOT a choice.

so ok. you like to look like a creature that is only good enough to hide…

I’m sorry but I’m shocked.

@striemmy@xanga - oh and it lso means that my family is muslim of course…. i know what I’m talking about so don’t tell me it’s intolerance. you cannot accept everything is the name of tolerance.

“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are
endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another
in a spirit of brotherhood.”

it includes women. Women as human not lustful creatures dedicated to sin.

IT makes me think of Princess Amidala (the first one put in black), then on the grand mother of my muslim uncle (Maroco)  :/ I also know muslim afghan and many other in Europe that are happy not to wear this (in fact the afghan family was escaping their country because of those kind of things, they have 4 girls…).

In fact, Burqa and things like that for me are the representation of the non-respect of female rights in the worlds, of men’s oppression on women even if some women are wearing them by choice…but I never knew any ! So, a fashion trend …argl…

@Mercredi - and maybe it’s because my family is from the deep south (you know the bible belt) that I can tell you all about christians everywhere….

You didn’t say you were from Algeria specifically, just your family. So what can you really tell me? You can tell me from second hand reports that in the localized area that your family resides in the muslim women may not have a choice about whether or not to wear a Burqa. (of course who would know what goes on in someone’s house between spouses or between family?) What you’re really telling me is that you don’t get it.

How many people who have responded to this have done so positively? If this is so offensive… why do you appear to be the only one offended?

@Begierde - Don’t mistake what I’m about to say as an attack, honestly I’ve had enough discussions about this today. I speak out of curiosity.

Does the way you view it have to mean something for the way it actually is for other people in the world?

@Mercredi - Do you think the woman who posted this believes that it is oppression? Behaving intolerantly of the choices that some make is not in the spirit of brotherhood. You can, and by my standards, should, accept everything that relates to the lives of others and their choices within their lives so long as it doesn’t interfere with yours.

Does a woman choosing to wear a Burqa interfere with your life?

beautiful!  i like the third one a lot, but i think it’s how the model presents the clothes that sold it for me.  the swing of the arm and fabric makes it so dynamic than a boring stiff walk.

@striemmy@xanga - 
Ok. When I say my family I mean my father. My mother is French
I mean my close family. The is not second hand report, it’s what we talk about in family. The city is Tlemcen if you really want to know. I’m not talking about “third/fourth generation”

There is a debate in France about it. It forbidden to wear religious signs in schools.

I can’t say “ok that’s cool women can wear a burqa and be pretty” because it means so much more… you have to see further than that. really.
here

I think they’re all beautiful but some of the design looks very formal.

@striemmy@xanga - *sigh*

we are not going to understand each other… anyway. My brother got married last month and a lot of women were wearing things like this. I found it beautiful and pretty. It was their choice. I just don’t want people to see it as a fashion trend that’s all.

It was the same when my father died.
But I was not ALLOWED to tell him goodbye because I’m a woman.  You have to be a male to participate to the funerals… women were only allowed to cry in the kitchen.

have a nice day

@striemmy@xanga -
In fact this post was about fashion, not the reality for a lot of women that are under this Burqa in the world. So, many people have onlyanswered about the look, not what there is behind for most of women whi haven’t the choice (most of them in fact).

It’s may be a European
feature not want to see life through curtains whereas your husband is
wearing t-shirts and shorts…

Hey but why men don’t wear burqa since they can be lustful for many women ? It can be a good idea, isn’t it ?

@Mercredi - I see it more as, you are not going to see my point. If it becomes a fashion trend then that is what it is. Do people have to know the meaning of the word disco to wear parachute pants? Fashion is what it is.

I feel sorry that you feel bad about that. If that was what your father believed in though, I’d think you’d respect his wishes.

Islamic women deserve some fashion too and I think these clothes are beautiful! If I went to any Islamic country I’d wear this

Um, okay, so what’s the deal with Xanga pushing this burqa thing?  Why is it every other post is about modesty and body wraps?

@Begierde - A Burqa doesn’t stop people from seeing things. This post was not only about fashion but specifically about Modest Fashion. If in fact people enjoy the way these look then I must ask why the big protest? If I was forced to wear a specific type of clothing (should we forget that muslim men also have restrictions on clothing) by the dictates of my government or my religion, I’m not sure I would feel any sort of way about it. People routinely use things to define themselves as people (including clothing) and forget that it really doesn’t matter what you look like when you walk down the street. Clothing really doesn’t mean anything. Sure, I speak from the position of having a freedom of what to wear, however, if I didn’t have that freedom such a conversation wouldn’t even be necessary. I wonder if all women wore Burqas, if there would be any discussion about it?

@Mercredi - Do you know what secondhand means? Secondhand means you didn’t see it for yourself. So who the person is that is telling you doesn’t make a difference. it’s still secondhand information.

I’ve read all of the relevant data on the history of Burqas. Have you? If I put on swastika do I mean to exemplify the nazis  or do I mean to exemplify the tibetan symbol? A Burqa is cloth fashioned into an item of clothing. That is all it is. For some that piece of clothing means opression. For others that piece of clothing means freedom. However, the point is that you are the one who makes up the meaning and your meaning applies to no one but yourself. So if that’s what a Burqa means to you, by all means never wear one in your life. If it means something different to someone else, let it be.

@striemmy@xanga -  I can’t believe you put disco on the same level…

(by the way english is not my language lol)

but I see your point. Your point is that muslim women can have fashion trends too and that’s it’s not a big deal to find it pretty. and my point is that even if it’s beautiful it means more than a piece of clothes

have a nice day  

@Mercredi - Your english is great.

I’m not putting disco on the same level. I was just saying that the world of fashion cares not for history.

@striemmy@xanga - You are using a false argument.  Whether it is or isn’t choice doesn’t undermine oppression.  For instance, just because someone chooses the bonds of slavery doesn’t vindicate slavery or make the slavery any less oppressive.  Similarly, if a woman is brainwashed into believing that bound feet or clitorectomy or burqas are beautiful, it doesn’t mean that foot-binding and clitorectomy isn’t oppression.

I also have a problem with this argument: “You can, and by my standards, should, accept
everything that relates to the lives of others and their choices within
their lives so long as it doesn’t interfere with yours.”

One must oppose certain things on principle.  For instance, I disagree with female genital circumcision.  It is atrocious and DOES oppress women and takes away their sexual freedom.  It doesn’t interfere with my life, but I am opposed to it as a feminist and a decent human being.

@Ailean@xanga - And you are invalidating the ability of everyone to choose their own way of life. If someone chooses slavery it vindicates slavery for them and in relation to them. Similarly if a woman is brainwashed into believing that those things are ugly, it doesn’t mean that they are. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Yeah, people generally have a problem with live and let live until someone steps on their feet for their beliefs.

That isn’t a must. You choose to oppose things on principle. Of course you must do so with the complete understanding that you’re blatantly telling someone else that their way of life, their culture, and probably something that they identify as a part of themselves is dead wrong. Who are you to decide what is right and wrong for everyone else? [At least in the case of the Muslims the claim could be made that it is God deciding what is right and wrong for everyone.]

Decency, like all things, is subjective. I respect your ability to choose to view your life this way and act accordingly. I however disagree with infringing on anyone’s ability to choose anything. That is the meaning of freedom. I don’t agree with what you say but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.

(I’m sure you also oppose circumcision too, right? Or am I wrong?)

By the way, my comment is not to say one way or the other whether burqas and hijabs are oppressive.

I DO however object to the implication that modesty means covering everything up and desexualizing the female form.  The female nude for instance isn’t inherently sinful or wrong.  You can wear nothing and look modest and innocent, or you can wear clothes but still look hypersexual.  Modesty is an attitude, not a “fashion” and certainly not a visual religious statement.

I oppose the veil/burqa/hijab and the legislation madating their use on this reason primarily–it creates the false impression that the human body is something to hide rather than celebrate, that modesty doesn’t come from within, but from the clothes you wear.  I object to that message.

@striemmy@xanga - Yes, I oppose circumcision.

@striemmy@xanga - All I was saying was that we ALL make judgment claims based on the actions of others, regardless of its effect on our lives.  I’m staunchly FOR gay marriage, for instance.  Gay marriage doesn’t affect my life directly (as I am straight), but I am willing to sacrifice my time to that cause.  I am sure you take political opinions that don’t directly affect your life either

@Ailean@xanga - So if you wanted a hassle free way of ensuring a certain level of modesty among all woman what would you do? Is it easier to ensure modesty with everyone naked or with everyone fully clothed? While modesty is in attitude there is certainly an element of communication in clothing and as I understand it, part of the reason for a hijab or burka is the complete differentiation of private and public, allowing only the people a woman is intimately connected to (her family) to see her body and most importantly reserving all of that sexual energy for her husband. Why do hookers wear what they wear when they’re on the strip? I don’t know about you, but personally I kind of like the idea of that complete focus of my partner’s sexual energy on me.

It creates that impression in you. These woman go home and get to take all of her outside clothes off. Are you telling me there aren’t nudity laws where you live? Are you saying that those laws don’t keep people’s bodies covered? Modesty may come from within but where it is expressed is undoubtedly on the exterior. This sort of clothing, and truly all conservative types of clothing, do a very good job at making sure that that expression of modesty is as universal as possible. It’s hard to see a turtle neck as being as sexy as a halter  top on a woman of ample bust. It’s hard to see hair wrapped in cloth as being as attractive as a full mane glistening in the sun and flowing in the wind. Certain things naturally inspire certain responses and I believe that as far as solutions to morality issues in the biblical sense go, these items of clothing are a pretty good one.

So you’re opposed to those things, what about tattooing and piercing?

@Ailean@xanga - LOL don’t make any sort of claim for me. We don’t all make judgement claims based on the actions of others. I know for a fact that I reserve no judgement for people that ski. I’m aware of people that ski. I know people that ski. I have no judgement towards it one way or the other. Do you judge blades of grass or high speed racing bikes? Generally, most people don’t if they don’t directly relate to their lives. You’re making a judgement and that is your choice but it is not a given for human existence.

I don’t staunchly support any political opinions or non political opinions that don’t relate directly to my life. How people choose to live their lives as they don’t relate to my life is 100% their choice and is not available for my judgement. It is their lives, not mine. There is no necessity to make things that would otherwise have nothing to do with you, personal, save that there is obviously something you’re making personal that has nothing to do with you.

Just as much as you would like to stop female circumcision, I’m sure somewhere, someone would like to circumcise you. This is why people really need not get involved in the affairs of others that are content with their way of life.

I’m sure you’ve heard the saying “Only God can judge me.”

@striemmy@xanga - Haha, sorry for reposting so many times, but one thing you said stood out.

“I however disagree with infringing on
anyone’s ability to choose anything. That is the meaning of freedom. I
don’t agree with what you say but I’ll defend to the death your right
to say it.”

Now I don’t go around ripping off Muslin women’s hijabs.  Nor do I lobby governments to ban them.  I am NOT infringing upon the RIGHTS of people to wear whatever they want.  Yes, I may personally disagree with the cherished cultural traditions of a religious group.  Yes, I am opposed to those traditions based on my own principles.  And YES, I think religion is delusional and dictating that women cover up their bodies is wrong.

But making that judgment and making that choice for myself and advocating that position is NOT infringing on a Muslim woman’s right to wear a veil or a Somalian woman’s right to choose to cut off her clitoris or a Chinese woman’s right to bind her feet.  If you want to do those things, you may do so.  But only know that I am personally opposed to those things because I believe they represent a tragically unenlightened period of human civilization.

You are falsely equating my personal beliefs with my prescriptive ones.  We share more than you think…both of us believe in freedom and personal autonomy.  We just disagree on whether the hijab/burqa is oppressive or not.

i loooove the black and gold one.

really pretty.

@Ailean@xanga - You don’t believe it begins to become infringement when you express it? Words have more power then you may give them credit for. Everything begins with communication. Do you not feel offended when people speak in opposition of something you believe deeply in? I think I’d consider it offensive and infringement if someone ever said anything to me along the lines of “I believe they should reinstate slavery”. 

@striemmy@xanga - Haha, I didn’t mean to judge you (I apologize if you felt offended by such a claim), but it seems like a necessity in this day and age to subscribe to certain principles.

There is a consequentialist view (how does this physically affect the system) and there is a rights-based approach (how does this action align with the rights afforded to human beings in this system) in determing the validity of something.  Neither is “better” than the other inherently.

Capital punishment is a good example.  Some people are opposed, some for it…most of these people are not murderers or child rapists or attempted murder victims, so why do they care?  In this situation (life in prison vs. lethal injection), the consequentialist position is not necessary (either way criminals are not going back into society).  So why is this a divisive issue?  Are people just deluded?  No.  They simply look at this from a rights-based perspective: is it up to a government to take away the life of its citizens?

@striemmy@xanga - In a free marketplace of ideas, you do not have the right to not be offended.  You can express your opinion, but I can express mine, too.  Being opposed to something does not mean your right to express your opinion is taken away.

Offense is separate from infringement.  Offense is a feeling felt by one party.  Infringement is an action taken by another.

The belief that slavery should be reinstated is offensive.  It is sad.  And it is unfortunate that many people still do believe this way. But just because I don’t believe that slavery is good, doesn’t mean my right to express the opposite is destroyed.  If I am offended, I must ask MYSELF: Why am I feeling this way?  What principles are guiding me?  Do I have a good reason to oppose this statement?

In the case of slavery, I do.  And I will by all means express my sentiments on the matter.

I am not saying that it is intolerable that people get offended.  Clearly, there are things that people can find offensive. They have a right to express their offended feelings.  I respect that.  But you can’t censor someone just because you are personally offended by their remarks.

@Ailean@xanga - Yet expression is in fact an action and has effects, good or bad, like any other action. People may sometimes take words lightly but a word can feel like a pat on the back, a slap in the face, a knife through the heart, or a hug. Words have power.

So the aim isn’t censorship but certainly there is an aim at not infringing upon the rights of other people to choose their life via expression of your belief that it’s wrong. It is not okay for Don Imus to say ‘nappy headed hoes’ on the radio, why? Because words have power and the action of saying that, free expression though it was, was infringement on the ability to live freely for someone, a lot of someone’s actually.

I’m just saying be conscious and responsible about expression. Sure, I could say anything I want, whether I believe it or not, but it’s irresponsible (and in some cases, as with yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre, illegal).

Words, especially as they relate to the ways of life that other people practice, can have a deep and profound effect on a person. There is no circumstance where I would express my views to someone completely content with their way of life that would make them unhappy with it. What right do I have to express myself at the cost of peace of mind to others? I view such instances of expression as infringement. 

@striemmy@xanga - No doubt words have power.  But the effect they have lies with the receiver not the giver.  Don Imus had the “right” to call people nappy-headed hoes.  But so, too, we had the right to disagree with his racism and demand that he be fired lest we boycott his parent station entirely.  This is different from saying whether his comments were “acceptable” or not.

I must make clear that if you have read my views carefully, I do not express hatred toward
those that choose to partake in activities that I don’t agree with.  I
don’t support legislation to censor/ban them or their activities.  The analogy to the theatre is a false one.  Yelling “Fire!!” is dangerous not because it offends people but imminently threatens their lives, so in this regard, yes, responsible speech is necessary. 

I have not threatened the lives of anyone with my opinions.  But just because I disagree, doesn’t mean I shouldn’t express my opinions.  Sure, my views may make some people feel bad, it may make them question their beliefs, but the onus is on THEM to come up with an argument against mine, if they feel so strongly.  I would go as far as to say, questioning and skepticism is a GOOD thing.  It makes you think and build a better foundation for your beliefs.

If one doesn’t have the mental/emotional fortitude to deal with rational discourse and opposition to one’s own ideas, that is no fault of mine.  If anything this is an unfortunate detriment to oneself because one will never question and never evolve one’s beliefs.

@Ailean@xanga - How is that different from saying that his comments are unacceptable? If the effect of words lies with the reciever and not the giver, how do actions differ? Is rape not the difference to the reciever?

Yelling fire was the clear and easy case. The difficult case to make is that every word has an effect as immediately effective and life changing as that, though not as clearly.

I agree about skepticism, yet the only response for what someone says is right or wrong is to state your beliefs on it. This isn’t really a logical debate, though it may appear to be so. Beliefs, on a sociological level, are illogical. So, when you say something is wrong and the reason it is wrong is because you believe it to be so, how does that constitute questioning or skepticism? That merely holds the possibility of introducing doubt, or offense, or indifferent ignoring.

Well, again, nothing about belief is rational. In fact, if you pop open a textbook on the subject, you’ll find that it corroborates what you already know to be true. People will fight empirical evidence on the basis of belief. To entertain the idea that logical discussion is to be head on subjects that people hold closely to their heart is not only bad in theory, but has proven to be bad in practice. What’s that saying? You don’t discuss religion and politics?

I’m not discouraging talking about these concepts but you have to understand, even if it wouldn’t appear to anyone that this is the case, that the very beginning of such a conversation constitutes an attack. If you do not support brainwashing then how can you be okay with voicing your opinion in such a way that comes off as such. You can say that you oppose something and I don’t think anyone would be offended. To state that something is wrong, or to state that something is right (which by implication makes whatever is the opposite of it, wrong) is a different matter altogether. Right and wrong are constructs of the personal mind. If you do not believe in brainwashing, which is essentially imposing a set of beliefs on others, how can you declare anything as right or wrong with the knowledge that in doing so it constitutes that?

While the way things are taken is the responsibility of the reciever, what there is to be taken is the responsibility of the giver. If I run in the streets yelling “communism is right, capitalism is wrong”, sure I’m expressing my beliefs and sure different people will react in different ways and each person will be responsible for their own reaction. However, it is my responsability that I just shoved my moral compass down everyone’s throat and possibly infringed on their ability to lead a peaceful existence without being attacked or brainwashed. 

I don’t understand why some people have an issue with “Modest fashion” Shouldn’t those of us who wish to cover up for whatever reason be allowed to have fashion too?
There are those of us who chose to dress this way and there is no need to attack us just because you may choose not to.

Thank you

@Ailean@xanga -

@striemmy@xanga - 

@Kristenmomof3@xanga - Please understand that both of us believe that people have the right to dress how they want.

*I* personally disagree with the religiously-motivated ideal of “modesty” that such fashion represents and I personally do not wish to dress as the women in the photos.  But of course, you may dress how you like!  And if you feel the fashion is beautiful, by all means, enjoy it! 

@Ailean@xanga - I do feel the fashion is beautiful. Some of it is fancier then what I would wear but that is always the case with runway fashion. I really like the second to last picture. It is one of my favorite. I would wear that right now.

This annoys me. Not the fashion or the runway. But the fact that it is called “Modest” Runway Fashion. Other fashions are not “un-modest”! 

@striemmy@xanga - I love your posts to Mercredi. You win.

And I love these! I would so wear them!

@cork8board@xanga - Totally agree!!

Bleh, these are ugly. I’ve seen some nice… whatever you call these, and these just don’t take the cake.

PS this isn’t modest, its cultural. Why are you still trying to push this on people? Do you really think anyone cares how modest you think you are? Get over it!

oh my my…..

They’re pretty just not for me.  I feel no connection to that culture, and I’m also not very into patterns to begin with.  Also I have a vendetta against long sleeves.  I hope to move to warmer climate so I never have to wear a long sleeve shirt again. 
Also to clarify when I say I feel no connection to the culture I mean no disrespect, it’s just I feel connections to parts of my heritage, my birth place and oddly enough some Asian cultures.

Love the prints

I’de vear the thired one, it looked cool, like something from a game ^^

Those are pretty.  I really like the first one.

I wouldn’t wear them, though.  My idea of modesty isn’t so extreme.

 I think a lot of those are gorgeous. I wish american designers would work in beautiful fabrics like that more. I live in Florida though so the head wraps (I’m sure that’s not the correct term, sorry) would not fly in summer.

Are these by the designer who was recently featured on current tv?? I cannot remember her name. gah Seeing that prompted me to look up hijab/burqa and chooing to wear it seems to be a very complex issue for many.

@cork8board@xanga - Hmm, I have to agree with you there. But I don’t think she could have called it anything else. Putting burqa in the title would probably have either gotten the post ignored or bashed by ignorant people.

#3 is very elegant and beautiful, though I don’t think I’d wear it.

@thats_not_my_name@xanga - I had thoughts of calling it Islamic Runway Fashion but not all the women who wear this are Islamic. So I chose the word modest figuring it would be the least controversial.

@Kristenmomof3@xanga - Good call

the first and third ones are really cute.

I think that they are gorgeous.  My favorite is the 7th one and it is what I would want to wear if I were visiting a country where I was required to be covered.  I wouldn’t chose to wear it everyday because to do so would be reducing the burqa, hajib etc, no matter what it means to you personally, to a fashion statement.

I wish they would have done more creative make-up, unless that’s all part of it?

i think most of them are pretty but i’d never wear them. i’m a summer child who’d hate wearing layers upon layers. i’ve heard people say that the clothes are pretty cool, but still.

and i kind of dislike that this post is up. because you and i and they all know this was going to turn into a battle based on one of your older posts, kristenmomof3. i just don’t think a post like this was worth a battle.

@xsPoNgEs_go_SQUISHx13@xanga - well, I posted this on my page and was actually shocked to see it on here. I wasn’t asked and didn’t get notice it was going to be on here.

I had told Revelife and lovelyish and the ish sites that they are always free to use whatever they want from my blog. Probably why they don’t ask me any more. It wasn’t like I went up to them and said use this post.

They decided to use it.

Sometimes I don’t even follow the comments on the posts that they use of mine because I know that at times it can get nasty because many people are only openminded about stuff that they agree with etc.

I think it is great that they did use it though as there are many many women who dress like this and deserve lovelyish to cater to them as much as other people.

This reminds me of the Jean Paul Gaultier (i think it was?) collection based on religion/Jesus and stuff like that.

Quite frankly, I’m a bit freaked out by burqas. 

I find things like this completely hypocritical. The whole point of
the hijab is to attract as little attention as possible, so women are
seen less as objects of beauty and more as people to be respected. I don’t really agree with the practice of it, but I admire the intention.

So these silly posts about fancy burqas are ridiculous to me. If you wanted to be modest, you would wear something resembling a potato sack. Why dress up something that is supposed to remain demure and unextravagant anyway?

the fabrics look gorgeous
but i wouldnt wear them in so cal
it’s too friggin hot

Some of them are very lovely, although I don’t think I could ever pull off such a look. D:

I think all of these are truly ugly.

What I am curious about is why some people spell God, G-d. Is there a reason?

I would wear some of those! They are very beautiful.

Ah, gorgeous, all of them. I especially love pics 3,4, and 5. 

The third one and the fifth one are so beautiful. These styles are really elegant.

It would be kind of absurd for me to wear anything like that, given my
cultural and family context, but some of those styles would be almost
easier to wear, I think. You’d never have to worry about your shirt
riding up or you underwear showing… I would hate to cover my face and hair though.

@Kristenmomof3@xanga - I’m just curious; do you live in the U.S.?

I live for this look. I am loving it so  much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Meowmeowkimmaee@xanga - I thought the same thing.

Wow, they’re great!

Modesty has nothing to do with how much clothing you wear.

some of them are pretty. and some are really flashy. i don’t understand though, isn’t party of modesty not being flashy? some of these are really flashy.

They are pretty, but I’m really over this whole “modesty” thing from the same poster…

-frustrated with Xanga themes-

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@AreYouTheOneX33@xanga - i agree. there’s always a theme to the featured posts that lasts for weeks. it’s annoying, ant the themes always seems to frustrate me. there usually “why i’m against feminism!” “why i’m against gay marriage!” etc. 

All deeper meanings and controversies aside, and from a purely aesthetic veiw, I personally think the the third one down is beautiful. I would totally wear a modified version of that.

I love these a million times more (literally) than the bikini fashion shows I see.

They’re beautiful, and I would wear them in an instant.

I have never seen a model with so much clothing and meat on her bones!

Modest is great, but why does it have to be Islamic?? Can’t ‘american’ fashion be modest as well?

nope, they’re kinda freaky

i dont think i would wear them. but its very intresting. i didnt know they had these types of fashion shows.

@dulish@xanga - yes, I live in the United States

@dulish@xanga - I live in a Mennonite and Amish Area of the United States. You know where the nickel mines amish school house tragedy happened. I am not to far from that area

modesty is just a euphamism for too much shit on.

@Mercredi - its not an ugly message. women in the middle-east wear such clothing by choice. Some middle-east places get really cold during winters so women keep themselves as warm as comfortable.

Pretty colors, but it still represents something that’s downright ugly. In many places in the world, women are not given the freedom of choice to decide to wear these. Indeed if they were, then I could see this as something beautiful. But unlike most the typical Americans posting on here, I’m not letting tolerance turn into ignorance. The ugly side of this is just something I can’t appreciate. No human being should. At all. And trying to fabricate it into something else, like “fashion” is just something only a fool would fall for. Not surprisingly enough, one needs only look at the authors previous posts for further proof of such ignorance. If I were to design a flower-print for the bandages that Chinese women had to wear to bind their feet, does that make it “fashionable”, or worse…acceptable?

Choosing to wear these is fine, but the oppression that it represents to million of women is sickening. No matter how you try to spin it, the ugly truth of it still remains.

Passing judgment is never good, regardless if it’s on clothing or morals.  And all I see in this post, as well as many of the commentors, is that modesty = wearing more clothing. Currently, I work in Indonesia, and I’ve come across a lot of women wearing  burqas/jilbabs. Modesty? Hardly. I’ve noticed women wearing the jilbabs to cover their hair, and yet they act no different from other women, muslim or not, who don’t choose to wear them. Covering their hair doesn’t mystically make them a “modest” person. Too bad the author doesn’t realize this.

I’ve also seen burqa-clad women dressed in straight black from head-to-toe coverings, with only their eyes exposed. So sorry, but it looks like a Halloween outfit. My wife ((who’s Indonesian)) even agrees it’s creepy, as well as our friends, some of which ARE muslim. If you want to lie to yourself and act like it’s some wonderful work of art, go right ahead.

Again, if this didn’t carry a history of regulating women to wear it or face death, then maybe I could view it differently. But giving it brighter colors and attractive models to wear it ((some of those women had beautiful faces!)) doesn’t take away the reality that many women and young girls are forced to wear it everyday. This isn’t like a kimono, an aoi dai, or sarong, where women can freely choose to wear it or not. Women didn’t face execution if they chose not to wear them. But the same can’t be said about burqa’s/jilbabs. Many women have been beheaded, stoned to death, or worse just for trying NOT to wear one.

@Kristenmomof3@xanga - Is it difficult for you to dress this way in the U.S.? I mean, people on xanga have quite a lot to say about the way you dress! Are people this critical of your clothes in person?

too many burqa arguments get me thinking is why are western women who by the way should go back and look at the image of Virgin Mary and see what she used to wear and why she is so respected, should seriously quiet down defending Muslim women. because you know what, us women living in the west are FIGHTING to wear our dressing. we want to wear burqa because its our choice. dont quote one extreme like afghanistan and claim that that happens in every country. infact a Muslim country like turkey FORBIDS women from covering up or the company has the right to fire the woman just on the basis of that. there are always extremes. but generalization shouldnt be made. hitler and kkk arent used to say that the entire population of christians is jew haters and criminals. neither do we generalize that jews killing Jesus is that all jews hate christians and they are just haters. so why generalize everything about Muslims. a country like america is a melting pot with lots of rights. thats agreed, but every wave of people has faced discrimination here, there native americas, there were chinese and japanese, there were african americans, now its muslims, cant we just stop this cycle and just mind our own business? i have my rights in my Muslim country, i know it and thats a fact, just because a woman living in the west sees some woman on tv speaking a foreign language that is translater by western media does not mean that is the truth. so get your fact from the majority of the Muslim women, not the 2-3% women who you see on tv and/or got asylum in the west from a place like afghanistan. if covering up is oppression in your mind then think like that. but dont come attacking our countries thinking you are liberating us when you are not. why is it that majority of women in afghanistan still wished to cover even after the us had taken over and why is it that ALL iraqi women cursed the us saying who are you to say i am oppressed this it my choice. it is because it is our choice and we choose to dress modestly like Virgin Mary. And those who didnt know, Muslims do believe in Mary and in Jesus and one of the most popular Muslim names is Maryam (Arabic/Hebrew original version of Mary, since well, Mary wasnt American, she was Middle Eastern).

Plea to Xanga, please stop featuring such posts since ignorant people will be around to ruin a nice post about fashion.

3rd black one was definitely the prettier one in my opinion.

And also to those who didnt know, almost 25% of the world population is Muslim. 1 in every 4 humans on this earth is Muslim. Say half of them are women. Are you really certain that about 12% of the worlds population is oppressed to cover up rather than allowed to be half naked on the beach?

There are more important things like curing Cancer and education children then trying to enforce Western influence on us. Thanks…but no thanks.

@dulish@xanga - actually I don’t hear much opposition in public. Some people give me nasty looks but I don’t notice that much unless my husband points it out. I guess many times I am blissfully unaware

I have received compliments already from people that my clothes are very nice etc.

My check out lady at the grocery store knows me by sight She forgot to give me all of my empty cloth bags the one week (The ones that were not used for the groceries) but gave them to me the next week when I came for groceries because she knows me because as I joke I am easy to pick out in a crowd lol.

hmmm

wow. those are gorgeous

But look at the amount of makeup those pople have on!
It’s all objectification, however they dress it up.

Numbers 3 and 4 are absolutely beautiful.

Personally, I feel most comfortable NOT covering all that much. It’s not out of some perverse need to influence others’ consciousness in a sexual way. It’s simply that I appreciate the care God (please forgive the ‘o’ –I’m not Jewish) put into creating me, and wearing veils, etc, feels unnecessary and ungrateful. Obviously, Kristen, you feel compelled to show your appreciation and loyalty to Him by carefully guarding what was given to you. That’s cool too. I’m super-stoked that you’re excited about ADORNING yourself because, yes, we are all inherently valuable and ought to treat ourselves as such. Veiling, etc, bothers me when it implies that the wear-ee ought to be ashamed of herself, or that she is a commodity to be doled out. Thank you so much for providing a voice for a healthy use of modest clothing!

 I like the first one and the third one and I possibly might wear one because they are so unique and pretty but they are covering too much up. Don’t get me wrong I respect those who choose to wear them because of there beliefs but they are just not for me and I am a christian.
 You can still be modest and not be covered in cloth from head to toe.

Can other cultures also have modest runway fashions?

@kaiori@xanga - sure. Why not find some and write a blog with them. Maybe Lovelyish will use them too. That would be really cool.

I do not think that you have to cover your entire body in order to be considered modest.

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@striemmy@xanga - Well, my family is also algerian, and yes i do go visit every year… and noone i know is forced to wear a burqa or a scarfe for that matter.

And that algerian girl keeps talking about it being oppressing to women, fine thats your opinion but I think oppression is when women feel obliged to be beautiful and show off their bodies in order to get respect from their freinds and collegues