Guest blog submitted by x___insomniac
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What is beauty?
I was once debating this topic among my classmates in art class. Of course we all came up with minimal responses such as having smooth, clear skin and a thin body. I myself came up with the concept of thick lips because I thought it was inversely related to the topic of eyebrows. I personally think that thick lips symbolize youth and beauty because younger people tend to have fuller, more supple lips. As age kicks in, lips start to thin out. After all, older people invest in things such as lip plumper and collagen to have thicker lips for a younger look, right?
But after countless brain farts, my teacher finally let us in on her theories of beauty.
First, she said that one needed to have a symmetrical face. Second, the face has to be proportional — the golden ratio being 1:1.61803. I’m not going to delve into too much detail about how that figure came up. But you can Google or Wikipedia it.
Who would have thought the possible answers to the definition of beauty was math related! Symmetry? Proportion?
I guess this is somewhat logical. I mean it wouldn’t look too beautiful if a girl had her right eye bigger than her left in terms of symmetry. But hey, look at Angelina Jolie. Her face is pretty damn symmetrical if you ask me. And look at those full lips! The epitome of beauty (although she is not the epitome of people, ahem, ‘ home wrecker ‘ of Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt’s relationship).
But if something needs to be symmetric in order to be beautiful, then how come one-sided dimples are considered a beautiful trait? Is it because it’s rare to have a one-sided dimple as opposed to a symmetrical pair?
Can beauty also come down to rarity?
Is this what makes a diamond so beautiful? Is it because of its net worth and its rarity?
Cubic zirconia looks just like a diamond, but it’s not considered as beautiful. Why? Is it because it’s something so common?
So my question is, does beauty really boil down to mathematics and or how rare something is? What is your definition of beauty?
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it is whatever captivates you and brings a smile.
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Faces that seem familiar are also often considered beautiful…it all depends
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I think beauty isn’t really how you look,
but how you carry yourself.
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Evolutionary fitness. Symmetry, clear skin, muscularity, and shapely boobs are all signs of healthy development, both in and outside of the womb. And most likely, mating with that person will improve your chances of having healthy babies.
I still think there’s no such thing as an ugly person. Evolution is only a visual thing; a person’s personality is what ultimately captivates in the end.
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I really wish that the Lovelyish blogs hadn’t been created.
In a time where media hype is making more women feel insecure about how they look than ever, there should be blogs that tear down stereotypes and help women feel more comfortable with their own beauty– realistic beauty. Instead we come up with blogs like this that tell women that what they wear is unfashionable, that their haircut is horrible, that their lips aren’t thick enough, so they’re not beautiful.
There are so many definitions of beauty, like there are so many definitions of love. The way you term beauty makes it seem like beauty = sex appeal, when it really isn’t.
As for the one-sided dimples, I have one dimple, and most people just think it looks weird, not beautiful. So yes, in your definition of beauty, symmetry does play into it.
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Diamonds are not metals. kthxbai.
(Also, diamonds are only considered beautiful because a particular company came up with a genius ad campaign that brainwashed an entire nation.)
sunflower / 331 posts
Um. I think, as corny and cliche as it is, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I find Jonah Hill terribly attractive. His flaws are easily seen. He’s over-weight and he has questionable hair. But he has things about him that make up for his downfalls like the fact that he’s funny and he looks like he would treat anyone with respect.
I think it all comes down to personality. If you feel comfortable with them, they treat you with respect, and they amuse you in any way, you will find them attractive. Even if their faces are hideous, you’ll like them.
That’s how it is for me, anyways.
By the way, I have a one-sided dimple. I think it’s weird. I had no idea people thought they were attractive.
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Beauty to me is how a person carries themselves. I’ve known a few girls they were pretty but you couldn’t stand being around them cause they were just a lousy person. Then met someone who is pretty and nice to be around and I think most beautiful person I know because she carries herself that way.
When it comes to precious items I bought diamonds what I could afford for a gift and all I got was it’s so small. Then went and got necklace with a nice setting cheap stone but was big and same person said wow so pretty so don’t know how to respond to if it’s precious stone or not sometimes size counts.
daffodil / 1622 posts
if the person is nice she is beautiful…=)
evil ppl are ugly…
hydrangea / 82 posts
Beauty is anything to everything. Common or rare. Having one dimple is just as beautiful as having two. I do agree with Anonymous. just because one person believes something is ugly, does not make it ugly or you. I don’t like beauty trends, such as tanning. Pale is beautiful too. Most people are followers from what I’ve seen. They base their opinions and beauty from judging other’s opinions. Beauty doesn’t have to be about appearance. A pretty girl can be an ugly person inside.
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I think something is beautiful because it reveals a particular aspect of the source of its beauty.
Of all things in the created world, Woman is most beautiful to me, because in Her I see revealed the source of all beauty, for Woman is created in the image and likeness of God. What could be more beautiful than the creator of all Beauty?
As for what makes a woman beautiful, nothing does. This is because women are created beautiful. They are not created to be beautiful, be made or to make themselves beautiful, or to become beautiful, as though a woman’s beauty is inadequate from conception, is flawed or can be augmented. Woman is created beautiful; beauty is her nature. Woman is beautiful because she is; there is nothing that can be done to alter that except to make a woman not a woman; to alter a woman’s nature to something un-woman.
A woman is beautiful because God is beautiful; to suggest a woman, any woman, is not beautiful is to suggest that God is not either, which simply cannot be the case.
So rejoice, all you women; you don’t have to look like Angelina Jolie to be beautiful; you just are no matter what. Thank God!
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@wonnapalooza@xanga - http://biboz.net/feos/ugly_person_03.jpg
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Beauty is something nice looking or something that gives you a nice feeling.
So you have to be specific on what type of beauty you’re speaking of. If you’re talking about physical beauty, it’s all about personal preference. If you’re talking about the awesome deep-down-inside beauty that a lot of people harbor, well then, there you go.
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Beautiful things to me are things that catch my interest for some reason. Sometimes it’s purely aesthetic, sometimes it’s because it has more meaning to me personally.
In terms of people, sometimes I’ll find strangers physically attractive, but usually I find beautiful traits in people after I get to know them.
orchid / 221 posts
lol.. my definition of beauty.. i lived in taiwan.. so i got a lot of like.. asian influence.. so my definition of beauty is a girl w/ long lashes.. LONGG BEauuutiful lashes. im sure the face has to be some what symmetrical – but any girl w/ long flowing lashes is beautiful in my book. haha – maybe cuz its what i lack?? someone get me some eyelash extentions asap! :O
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@meriibunny@xanga - LOL!
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if you give people faces to look at, most people like the most average, most symmetric face best. so no, i don’t think rarity has to do with attractiveness much.
and i freakin HATE diamonds. ugly, bland, cliché stones!
cherry blossom / 34 posts
I read somewhere that the hips to waist ratio is also something that is perceived as beauty because of an animal instinct that links the ratio to fertility in women.
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i hate pretty people because they’re prettier than me.
hahaha
but really, beauty is a science to a certain point, but after that point, it’s all frivolous opinions.
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In terms of physical beauty of the face, I think it’s about overall effect – so yes, ratio I suppose, if it boils down to math!
I remember a plastic surgeon was saying in an article many years ago (sorry I can’t be more exact!) that his patients covet Jennifer Lopez’s dazzling smile, Angelina Jolie’s lips, another actress’ eyes, and so forth. But when you put all those features together into one person (which the article did in a computer pic), it looked VERY WEIRD. And just not beautiful.
So thick lips are a sign of beauty, but there are also gorgeous “thin lipped” beauties out there, like Jennifer Morrison (Allison Cameron on “House”) and Meg Ryan (pre-collagen days she looked so much prettier!). The effect of their faces, taking in all their features together, is beauty.
And more philosophically, a person is beautiful if they are kind. As Audrey Hepburn said:
“For attractive lips, speak words of kindness. For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people. For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry. For beautiful hair, let a child run his or her fingers through it once a day. For poise, walk with the knowledge that you never walk alone.”
When I meet someone who is physically good-looking but a mean, spiteful, selfish, or boring person, they don’t look good in my eyes anymore. After all, physical beauty fades. Real beauty doesn’t.
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haha i just learned about the golden ratio this quarter. We experimented it with our faces in class.. i think its bs and so did the teacher. We only had one person out of 200 students who had the golden ratio and she wasn’t that great looking.. =/
hydrangea / 61 posts
@Anonymous - sadley I agree with you, this lovelyish blog was a move to help people become more obsessed with what is ‘considered’ beautiful,
which is completely hypocritical because I enjoy reading and sharing beauty tips (mostly fashion now).
people have to learn to love their physical features for what is there. And this doesn’t mean having the media, or anybody for that matter, tell them what they can do to improve.
Time and time again, people have told me I”m too skinny. I”m sick of hearing it, and I am confident that I can love myself for who I am.
little off topic there,
OKAY!! so my idea of beauty is clear skin. And that is it. It came to me one day, that clear skin is what makes anybody beautiful. I think beauty also comes with personality. When a person is confident and loving who they are, they are very beautiful.
hydrangea / 82 posts
@meriibunny@xanga - what? =|
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Intelligence+Confidence= Beauty.
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I think beauty can somewhat be put into mathematics. Obviously, someone that isn’t proportionate will be ugly, for the most part. Things like being too skinny, or too large, will definitely take those things out of proportion. Humans are generally perfect, especially when first born. (With the exception of birth defects,etc). Our arm span is the same number of inches as our height, our neck is exactly half the size of our heads, one side of a shoulder is the size of our heads (top to bottom), the space between our eyes is the size of one of our eyes, and so on. We are so beautiful and perfect already. (again, its not this way for all 6 billion + of us due to certain defects.)
When you start adding products, chemicals, fat, less fat, cosmetic surgery, jewelry and everything else, we become less beautiful.
Everyone should get a grip on those cliche definitions of beauty. I highly doubt anyone really believes those things are true; even if you wont admit it to yourself. Do you really think that something as simple as “confidence” or “wearing the right thing” can equal beauty? Thats just as superficial as saying “oh, your job will increase how beautiful you are.”
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i DID hear that we’re attracted to people based on the symmetry of their faces…
“beauty is in the eye of the beholder.” cheesy but true. lol
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I think beaty is colour. Whether they clash or complement each other, you know like a sunset over the ocean or a lovely landscape with lots of greens. I agree with the cubic zirconium though. Not many people can tell the difference i have lots of them and i think they are just as pretty as diamonds. But when it comes to the human body i’m gonna say some things that people are gonna slam me for. Thin is beautiful. But not to thin though one must have a curve in the waist going out to bigger hips. And good boobs, not too flat chested. But the concept of smooth skin must also be beautiful too. There are so many different adds and products for getting rid of rinkles so i guess a smooth face, youth must be beautiful.
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damn it. i’m sure my face isn’t symmetrical.
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natural is the beauty =)
cherry blossom / 36 posts
First, I have to go with Fiona Apple’s take on diamonds: “I don’t understand about/Diamonds and why men buy them/What’s so impressive about a diamond/Except the mining”
And, on the beauty part, personally I don’t find Angelina Jolie to be the epitome of beauty. Beauty is from the inside out. Beauty is in the flaws if the person carries them well. Too much perfection is just annoying.
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heres some quotes
What has a man’s face to do with his character? Can a man of good character help having a disagreeable face?
Ann Radcliffe, The Mysteries of Udolpho, 1764
The absence of flaw in beauty is itself a flaw.
Havelock Ellis (1859 – 1939),
I’m tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That’s deep enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?
Jean Kerr
Ugly. Is irrelevant. It is an immeasurable insult to a woman, and then supposedly the worst crime you can commit as a woman. But ugly, as beautiful, is an illusion.
Margaret Cho, weblog, 01-27-04
What you do, the way you think, makes you beautiful.
Scott Westerfeld, Uglies, 2005
i think these are some great beauty quotes….im gonna make a blog on beuty.
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the reason ppl came up with CZ was to imitate Diamond.
Diamond is so expensive because it is rare. Just to think of it, beauty does boil down to math. I mean look at diamond, it will mean nothing if it is just a raw diamond, dug up from the face of the earth. But what makes a diamond so beautiful is its cut and reflection of light and that is again, symmetry.
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Beauty might be about how you look and how your body looks, but it is also what captures the persons heart, to be exact, the personality and characteristics all in one bottle of jar, counts! I think beauty is not all about the looks.
I’ve bought plenty of diamond rings and cubic zirconia’s. Diamond’s are great, but they are pricey and hard to find; cubic zirconia’s are not rare but they are just as beautiful.
I think it all depends on how you look, how you capture peoples heart, and also inner beauty which is your heart. How you carry yourself as a person, how you express yourself to other people, how kinder you are to people, and of course your looks will all count!
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Yes, beauty is based on symmetry, proportion, and as I mentioned in another comment last week…beauty stems from traits indicative of fertility/virility that have been hard-wired into the human brain. Survival of the species. For instance, a young looking woman is beautiful because she is more fertile. A man with broad shoulders and nice muscles is beautiful because he has traits that help in survival. Etc. etc.etc…it is all very fascinating if you ask me.